valid riots
valid riots
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Was this faxed to lemmy?
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Retvrn to tradition - The New Internet will be a vast network of fax machines, each whirring and grinding and printing all day, every day.
COME AT ME NOW AI SLOP!
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Have the AIs fax-DoS the health insurance companies with nonsense Luigi memes
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I love it we should start a trend
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pigeoned
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I didn't know that this is the perfect way to enjoy memes. Posted to Twitter, screenshotted, discussed further in Tumblr, printed out, faxed, scanned, and then posted to Lemmy.
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Just use a fax to email service FFS
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Bottomfeeder unite 🐟🐟🐟
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I can understand that people don't like riots.
What really shits me is when people are opposed to completely non-violent disruptive protests. Street marches, die-ins, gluing yourself to statues, throwing non-destructive liquids onto monuments, etc. If you put your mild inconvenience or sense of propriety ahead of a cause, that's clearly not a cause you believe in, so stop blaming the protestors for your lack of support.
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Not all protest is good protest. Criticizing the form of protests is valid.
Block a random highway and all you're going to do is get people mad at your cause for making them late for work. Those people could be future allies that are getting driven away.
What's a more effective protest, people holding signs handing out cookies, or people holding signs squirting passersby with water pistols?
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The point of protests is to make the issue more palatable to deal with than the protests.
Being completely demure and effecting nobody is a bad protest. Make the consequences measurable.
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What’s a more effective protest, people holding signs handing out cookies, or people holding signs squirting passersby with water pistols?
Really depends on how hot it is outside
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Why does this look like it's been photocopied more times than my geography teachers lesson plan?
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Looks like someone's been praxising.
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Some dorks in this thread are the perfect example of who potential protesters need to ignore.
I brought up "truckers blocking highways and important intersections" to my very good (but desperately clueless) friend. Violence free, requires few bodies, historically effective.
He said "but what about the people they inconvenience?"
I'm like dude. Inconvenience to power is. the. point.
I love him but he's a fool, guy thinks protests are people smiling and holding clever signs.
Sad thing is he's representative of a lot of people.
They'll be happy when things are better but idgaf about asking their advice. They don't read history, the closest theyll get to a protest is the news coverage, and they'll never be satisfied with less than some impossible dream of a "immaculate
conceptionprotestation"So like, fuck em
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Not to sound elitist, but most people are ill-informed from what I observed. They mean well, but they form their views and opinions from sources that aren't great. It doesn't help either that we are inundated by pleasures from all sorts of media, which distracts us from paying attention to what matters more.
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Yes. A quite recent example from Germany:
Letzte Generation (Last Generation) a group of climate activists which glued themselves onto streets, usually carefully planned, organized and communicated with emergency services (such that ambulances can pass). They just got all of the hate and achieved not really much.
Then there were some farmers who were unhappy about governmental advances to reduce or remove the "agricultural diesel" subsidies. They've blocked highway entrace ramps with burning car tyres and dung, went really hardcore compared to the Letzte Generation, and finally got what they wanted.
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The issue with peaceful protests is that they usually don't go far enough.
In your example, the farmers went two steps further and it made the difference.
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Maybe the farmers just had an "easier" goal. Just remove the taxes again but the last generation wanted to stop climate change which isn't just done with one small step..
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During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it.
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Well Yeah, have you seen the Bob Marley Biopic? Whitewashing is precisely why his music is seen as stoner-feel-good-vibes and not the fiery protest music it was. He's closer to the Black Panthers then he ever was to Cheech and Chong. But that's not the reality they want you to accept.
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I have not but I may look into it
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Whitewashing is precisely why his music is seen as stoner-feel-good-vibes and not the fiery protest music it was.
Well, I'd say that has more to do with music sensibility. His music used slow tempo, heavy and steady beats, was bass-driven, and melodic vocals. That isn't angry music for a western audience. Going back centuries, angry western music is fast paced, unsteady rhythms, big changes in volume, discordant sounds and lots of high frequencies.
It's not whitewashing. It would be very hard to make an angry protest song set to a waltz beat too. The medium is the message, and the medium of steady droning beats is calmness not anger.
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It’s not civil disobedience when the other side isn’t being civil.
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People are dying from treatable or preventable illness, suffering from homelessness, and suffering from food insecurity. These are all forms of violence.
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Until now, whenever I point out that any and all societies are fundamentals based on the capacity of violence, people got uncomfortable and/or denied it.
Sweeties, people got murdered so that you could have a democracy* because that gives the power to the people** as they have the most capacity of violence, so they need to be appeased.
Sidenote: the eu, the UN and so on are also existing to appease enough of us to reduce violence as it is a shared interest.
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This is the same as any major conflict. People want to try to work thing out without violence. The times that does happen are unremarkable. The times it doesn't happen, we can judge later weather it was the right thing to do.
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When was there a time where people were fighting for basic human rights and in retrospect, it wasn’t considered the right thing to do?
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I mean, saying that it's a fight for "basic human rights" is a positional statement within the context of the time when the fight is needed. There are white supremacists (as individuals, not as a rule) out there who genuinely feel as though their rights are being "infringed" upon by anyone who's skin lacks a perfectly porcelain pallor. In America at present, it's being (disingenuously) claimed that squashing trans people is in the interest of the rights of women and children. Those pushing that agenda don't believe that, but many of the followers do. If trans people are eradicated, it would be framed as a win for basic rights in the future.
More than that though, you've applied context to the poster above your that isn't present in their original post, nor in the OP. Limiting the point to "basic human rights" has sort of set up the claim "all historical fights involving justified topics were justified."
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On the one hand, I suppose that depends on who is defining "basic human rights." I'm pretty sure the Trump Convoys would claim that's what they were doing.
On the other hand, the question was on riots, not on rights. Not all riots are justified.
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I don't mind riots, so long as it's targeted in some way, and not just the random breaking down of privately owned small businesses (which hurts no-one at the top).
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Riots are grenades. You don't get to precisely target what gets broken and what doesn't.
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A certain percentage of any group doesn't give a fuck about the movement and just likes being assholes.
Either rioters police their own or they will be judged as equal to the worst of them, because that's all people will be shown on TV.
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Hahaha mandem thinks there's still going to be small businesses in the future
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Yeah, this takes some time to settle in for me
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"Why Civil Resistance Works" is a good book about why civil disobedience is the most effective means of resisting a regime. It's not an easy read, but it's still great info.
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It's only a rebellion if you lose.
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"Rebellion" used to be a positive term (think Star Wars but in real life).
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That's a feature not a contradiction
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Did you see what they did to the pool, Mr. B? They flipped the bitch!
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Marx and his permanent revolution.
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So you're saying someone should do it?
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Well that can't be right because I read on here that liberals are the worst.
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Is there some reason this looks like a photocopy of a faxed photocopy? And no alt text or link to source: is OP just trying to break accessibility out of perverse joy? I wonder what they did to OP to deserve that.
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I can name several historic US riots which were not justified.
The Tulsa Massacre of 1921.
The series of riots occurring after the removal of confederate statues in the last decade.
When men marched with torches and firearms after the inauguration of Barack Obama.
During the BLM movement a white couple was charged with Arson of a restaurant as they were trying to delegitimize peaceful protests.
Meanwhile the most successful social movements were not accomplished with violence at all. Women suffrage, equal rights for protected classes, gay marriage, etc. Some movements had a mixture of peace and violence, such as rights to unionize, but far more effective than riots were the affected workers like miners and industrial manufacturers striking.
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Stonewall, the catalyst for LGBT rights, was a brick throwing riot, you could not be more wrong here.
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The LGBTQ movements go as far back as 1924 in the USA, and Illinois was the first state to legalize homosexuality in 1962.
Stonewall Riots was in 1969.
One could even argue that the real turning point for gay rights was: A) APA removal of Homosexuality from list of mental illnesses in 1973 and B) Reagan gutting federal funded and operated mental asylums which for completely unrelated reasons I think was a bad idea.
The first legalized Gay Marriage law was passed in Massachusetts in 2004 but still is not recognized federally until 2015.
So stonewall accomplished fuck all, congrats
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You think the sufragette movement was free from violence?
You think gay rights were achieved without violence?
Read a book!
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IMO without Malcolm X and the Black Panthers I don't think folks would have listened as much to MLK Jr. either.
On top of that...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragette_bombing_and_arson_campaign
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The suffragettes were badass, they did firebombings and all that.
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I was referring more to the women's sufferage movement in the USA, led by people such as Susan B. Anthony, when I made my comment.
The UK Suffragettes only turned to violence in 1912 after a decade of more peaceful tactics, the organization itself only forming after almost 40 years of unsuccessful campaigning from 1867 to 1903. As a result of the window shattering and firebombing campaigns many were imprisoned and started a hunger strike in which several died, leading the House of Lords to pass the Cat and Mouse Act of 1913 which sent them home to die there after they sufficiently starved themselves to help absolve the government of wrongdoing. The suffragettes didn't see any results until 1918 when women over 30 and men over 21 were allowed to vote. Equality was only obtained in 1928.
Good on them for sticking it out to the end but the militant portion of their campaign was short lived and impotent.
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Tankies are just another flavor of BootLickers who bend over bare ass for Authorities.
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riots are not a valid form of protest unless all peaceful means have failed, and then they are far less effective than other non-peaceful methods. riots are what you do when you are too stupid to find a solution.
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Right, and protests will make trump think twice? You realise that trump is not the mastermind right
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riots dont do anything. calling a riot a protest is just a way to rationalize mindless looting and destruction of innocent people's property. if you think we are in a situation where peaceful means no longer work then organize a real attack that directly hits the people you're mad at. if the situation isn't bad enough for coordinated violence with a real goal then it's not bad enough for violence at all. I don't care about trump specifically and I never mentioned him, what I care about is people ruining good causes to justify mindless destruction and theft. protest if peaceful means are still there, fight if they aren't. riots are neither of these things, they're just idiots breaking things for fun.
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Protests, marches, and riots are so over-used that their messages go unnoticed. Demonizing them might help give them attention if anything.
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I like this new format where we scan photocopies of posts.
Could you fax it to me?
When you get it, could you take a picture of it on a wooden table, and send it to me by email as a low quality JPEG?
Yeah this is looking pretty deep-fried. I presume to elude repost bots?
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