Luigi Mangione prosecutors violating his health privacy rights, defense says

ABC is greatly, greatly softening the severity of what the Prosecution is alleged to have done.

It is much, much worse than just 'Prosecution accidentally violated his HIPAA rights'.

https://www.courthousenews.com/luigi-mangione-accuses-prosecutors-of-fudging-subpoena-for-his-health-records/

“The district attorney falsely made up a court date — May 23, 2025 — and drafted a fraudulent subpoena that if Aetna did not provide documents on that date, it would be in contempt of court,” Mangione claims in a New York Supreme document, filed Thursday.

(In legalese, 'Mangione claims' means that his lawyers claim this in an exhaustive report/complaint to the judge of this case.)

The Prosecution appears to have served Aetna with a literally fake, fradulent subpoena.

That subpoena included a court date which was never actually scheduled in the court system.

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You cannot do this.

Any request for a subpoena like this has to go through and be approved by the judge.

Circumventing the judge and essentially falsely acting on a fraudulent representation of their authority is actually potentially a crime, bare minimum, something a lawyer can be disbarred for.

And this is the District Attorney of New York leading the legal team against Mangione, whom Mangione's Defense Counsel has now formally accused of doing this.

Mangione's counsel has requested to the Judge that, bare minimum, whoever on the Prosecution team is actually responsible for this be removed from the rest of the proceedings, ideally, have the entire trial be dismissed as a mistrial.

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Here is the entire complaint to the Judge from Mangione's Defense Counsel:

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/mangione-hippa-defense-filing.pdf

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This could actually blow up at least this New York State level case against Mangione.

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There are currently two simultaneous cases going on, one at the New York State level, one at the Federal level, all of this is irt the NY case.

Holy shit, this should be huge news being seen everywhere! Instead, the bought media will distract us with more circus sideshows.
- The news will literally never talk about any of this. We don’t have freedom of the press in glorious republik of amerika
- I was first alerted to it by Status Coup news on youtube... but uh, most lemmy news comms only allow, you know, written articles.
  Hey maybe courthousenews counts as a legit, written source?
  Post it everywhere if you want to, not like I own the idea of linking to them, rofl!
- Meh, I saw this on groundnews yesterday. Plenty of sources.
Are they trying to get a mistrial in order to avoid the fallout of a potential "not guilty" verdict as well as the potential fallout of a "guilty" verdict?
- I mean, I guess that isn't impossible, but I really have no idea.
  My guess would be that they are just assuming they can get away with whatever bullshit they do, because fuck Luigi, hail corporate?
  I do not know.
- They are really putting their best effort for minimizing this whole ordeal so tbh I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case.
- They who
Place your bets about how AI was involved now!
Holy fuck. That's insane if true.
I don't work as an attorney or anything, but I have some exposure to the inner workings at times. Screw ups are absurdly common. In this case, after the prosecution deleted the documents, the defense sent them a copy from thier side. Just absurd levels of incompetence all the time. So don't rule that out.
Next... in general, for some absolutely absurd reason, it usually isn't illegal for the government to lie. Like on the subpoena. The police are allowed to lie to you during interrogation. ICE has routinely (and not just recently) signed thier own subpoenas and presented them as legal, even though without a judge's signature they aren't legally binding. Odds are that what they did is standard practice, no matter how vile it is. And the signer probably wasn't even a lawyer, just some legal aid.
What's different in this case, is they have a witness saying the prosecution verbally said that what they were doing was wrong, and did it anyway. Not sure if that will matter if it turns out to be standard practice.
In short, the legal system is a farce. TV would have you believe technicalities matter. But they only matter if they support what the judge wants to do anyway.
- for some absolutely absurd reason, it usually isn't illegal for the government to lie. Like on the subpoena.
  Wait, seriously? They can outright lie, not like “our investigation leads us to believe that you X and are charged with Y” like an arraignment?
- It’s also kind of different (in a legal not moral sense) to have police lie to an individual vs a lawyer lie to a company to steal medical record and violate hippa
And to what end? What does his health insurance have that is evidence of the murder? Did he make a stop at the hospital right after or something, and make a claim to Aetna?
- Exactly.
  In the letter, Luigi's defense also notes that fucking none of that would be relevant to the case anyway.

How is this not an instant mistrial?

Because they've never even tried to bother to pretend this is going to be a fair trial.
- Which tells me that they have no evidence whatsoever and he is innocent.

Let's not forget that Mangione looks nothing like the guy in the original mugshot.

Why would Ben Shapiro do this?
- There's a nonzero chance the CEO was a client of Epstein and the same goes for members in the board.
- Those eyebrows… I’d recognize them anywhere
- Fuck me! Ben Shapiro is guilty!

Mangione's lawyers are going to grind the DA office into burger at trial. Fucking morons.

In that case all we have to hope for is a fair trial.
And that the judge isn't compromised at some point, either by ideology, financial obligation or fear.

However, prosecutors said they requested limited information from Aetna and Aetna sent them additional materials in error. Prosecutors said they deleted the materials as soon as they became aware of them and brought it to the attention of both the defense and the court.

The error was compounded by defense counsel resending to prosecutors the very same items prosecutors had already deleted, a source familiar with the subpoena said.

When prosecutors can't take any responsibility for their own stupidity, implicating others is always their go-to.

Hey. With this level of incompetence he could walk free.
- Please god
This is where i see additional problems. Govt or no, Aetna should have been way more diligent in addressing any requests for info, and in providing more than what was explicitly requested they are also committing a HIPAA violation. Any counsel for Aetna should have been well aware of the risk of sending health records out and been very, very specific on what was to be sent and not to avoid a compliance issue.
If i was on Mangione's legal team I'd be preparing a civil case and HIPAA violation claim against Aetna in addition to seeking removal of the prosecutors involved. (I'm not a lawyer but worked in health insurance for several years managing patient data.)

...34 count felon awaiting sentencing is president, alleged shooter in jail...justice?....

There's many parts of the dictionary that could be replaced with a pic of him. But I think the US justice system is ironically solidfying "martyr" as the top pick.

At this rate, they're striving for Joan of Arc levels of history.

I hope he knows everyone is truly grateful of the impact he has made and is continuing to make.

"The District Attorney has subpoenaed Mr Mangione's health insurer

Would that be UnitedHealthCare by any chance?

Aetna
- Well, whichever it is, I don't expect them to have Luigi's best interest at heart. Not that they ever have anybody's best interest at heart beside their shareholders' anyway...

I’m no lawyer. Here’s a question. Would the federal case a jury trial?

I’m trying to figure out if there’s an advantage to futzing the state case. Corporate America wants this man’s blood.

I am not United Statesian and it feels like they change the rules every time I blink, but I think a trial with a death sentence as a possible outcome does require a jury. And if I am wrong, some vulgar good samaritan of the Internet will swoop in to politely call me a pig fucker.
- Am unitedstatesian (one word, uncapitalized), not legaeseian.
  Constitution does state though, defendants have the right to a trial by a jury of their peers. Sixth Amendment
  https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/jury_of_one%27s_peers
  Criminal trial for sure falls in this category. Regardless of if death penalty is on the table.

If this guy was fat and ugly...and black or any other colour than white....would he be so innocent I wonder? He's a gen z hero and will end up where he belongs. Like all murderers should no matter how right they think they are or how right YOU think they are. Downvote my ass away folks, it has zero meaning to me.

Is war murder? Do you think veterans of wars should all be executed? Just curious if your absolutionist bullshit is consistent or if you just like the taste of boot.
How do those boots taste?
He belongs on the streets, continuing to do the hard work. And that's where he'll wind up.
Idk there's a lot of gray area in murdering a murderer. Like if Netanyahu visited the US and somebody air holed him I don't think I could say its bad outcome. Especially when the powers that be refuse to use the system to enforce basic morality.

boohoohoo

Boohoohoo We have rights 😭 Boohoohoo
Yeah, fuck due process. Enemies of the establishment don't deserve to be treated fairly.
Glad to see I am not alone on this. /smirk
- Of course you aren't. There are plenty of maladjusted jackasses who seek attention on the Internet because their mommy and daddy didn't give enough shits to raise them properly. You're not alone, but you should maybe see a professional and get help.