New rumor suggests Valve's Steam Deck 2 is much further away than we thought

I don't know why people are so eager for it, the deck is great, it's a great purchase. I wish I had gotten the OLED, but I'm very very happy with it. I don't see that it needs to be replaced annually or even every 2-3 years. It's like the switch, why not go 4+ years before hardware drives that a new one is possible

Because the capitalist system has trained the consumer to always want new, shiny things.
- There you go, that's the answer. Can't just be happy with what we have, not even for a couple of years. Time to throw it away, get the new one!
PC gamers are very excited that there's a handheld PC on the market thats made by Valve, but they don't understand its meant to be a low-power gaming device. its not meant to be a 500+fps massive rig with all the trimmings and fixins.
They are trying to apply their upgrade logic/obsessive consumerism to a device that neither wants nor needs that in its own market.
- This has been a major annoyance I've had too with gamers. It was never meant to play games at 240fps with ultra graphics. It's meant as a way to make "most" games playable on the road. A great low cost entry point, or something to compliment your big gaming rig. I don't need an upgrade because it does what it does great, plays most games on decent settings well enough for the duration of a flight or trip. If you want ultra graphics, you will have to pay ultra prices and probably do a big desktop. Even "Steam Deck 2" will still probably only do 30-45fps games on medium, just newer games will be a bit more playable.
- This machine is incredible, it easily plays the backlog of 5000+ games I haven't played before but of which a lot are way cooler than a lot of AAA being published today because it predates many current bad game development practices. DOS, NES, SNES, Wii, GB, GBA, GAMECUBE, PSP, PS1, PS2, SEGACD, ... The list goes on. Steamdeck with Emudeck is a truly amazing experience. I don't need a steamdeck 2 anytime soon.
- I wouldn't even call it "low power". More like mid
When I first got the steam deck, I thought it was so great and used it all the time; I still do.
I told my wife that I liked it so much that I would buy the next one as soon as it released.
After having it for some time, I realized that all the games I play run on it easily and there is no real need to upgrade.
So, I plan to use this steamdeck until it it stops working. I imagine that will be a while as I’m going to repair it when/if something breaks.
I would like a smaller deck though, the current one is hard to hold if you don't have big man hands
- That's a fair ask IMO. Not wanting a newer shinier one, just one that fits you better.
I want a second one because I know it'll blow the first one out of the water, with the first one they had to figure out all the r&d from scratch, with the two they should be able to refine the hell out of it, I think there's a good chance the 2 will be basically perfect. Shame they'll never make a 3 though.
- I'm not really sure what's not perfect with the OLED already, lol. Maybe a second USB-C port would be nice, so we could charge it while using a non-hub device, or use a cheap hub to add even more controllers? That's a minor, incremental improvement, though.
  It could always be smaller/thinner/quieter, I guess, but I can't think of anything I'd really want to change with my Deck. I have lots of minor pain points with other tech, but I literally can't think of anything with the Deck, so I'm curious if you have any specifics, or if you're just trusting that Valve has put some real thought and research into this and will surprise us with design changes for the better that aren't obvious.
- Ha!
  Maybe they're saving the conclusions to all their trilogies for the steam deck 3.
  ...too bad we'll never get it though.
100% agree. My only gripe is I wish I got the OLED.
Oh, and input lag in Rocket League.
- I havent played it on steam Deck, usually on PC, but on console you can vastly improve the input lag with a few settings, mainly turning the vertical synchronisation off. Maybe it helps with the Deck too.
I want to get a steamdeck but I feel (felt?) I'm too late in so I figured I'd just wait for the second one...
- That's a fair reason IMO. However, knowing that it might be a few years out, then it becomes "is it worth the wait"
The only reason I want the Deck 2 to release is to get a cheap Deck 1. I don't really need one, so I'm not paying the price they're asking for it. If 2 comes out and there are some cheap 1s people are getting rid of, I'll probably snatch one up. Other than that, I think it plays about any game I'd want to play on it.
Cuz there are a lot of games that it can not run due to performance? I mean there are a lot of games on my wishlist that are waiting for a steam deck 2 so I can actually play them if i buy them... On top of that I have the OG LCD version and it's not worth for me to upgrade to the OLED, a steam deck 2 on the other hand
- Your question depends on your definition of "can it run". To me, as a portable device I get 45 fps on the witcher on medium settings and that's very playable. If you want to use it as a desktop and expect that the next version will rival a 5000 series GPU, that's unrealistic.
- Underpowered?! I can play fucking Elden Ring!
- See other comments, this was on purpose to make it more portable. The deck doesn't need to be a powerhouse, it needs to be portable. We already have powerhouse desktops

Nothing has indicated that a new Steam Deck is anywhere near a release or announcement. They said themselves time and time again that they would want a new Steam Deck to be a significant upgrade on the first one.

As long as a really big performance improvement is not possible there won't be a new Steam Deck. And I don't think running Cyberpunk 1080p instead of 800p counts. My bet is that as long as raytracing is as abysmal as it is now on APUs we can't even dream of getting a new Deck.

Think console generations and not smartphone releases.

Not only that, but raw horsepower and battery life are always in a delicate balance in any portable device.
There are practical limitations when it comes to current battery technology. Not to mention heat generation and dissipation that comes with more powerful hardware.

Good, there is nothing wrong with the current gen. I want major leaps every few years not marginal improvents every year.

It is like you don't even care about profits and value the consumer.
- I mean, Valve is wildly profitable. On a profit-per-employee basis, they beat out virtually every other company in existence, at a staggering $3.5M in profit earned per employee. The Steam Store is a money-printing machine, and takes very little in upkeep/support staff to stay profitable.
  The Steam Deck was never a massive profit-seeking venture for them; It was a way to divest from Microsoft, (who had been rumbling about going the way of Google/Apple and forcing everyone to use their proprietary store, then skimming a portion of all sales made on said store), and to be able to bring the Steam storefront to people who otherwise wouldn’t be using Steam.
  The only reason Microsoft backed off of their Microsoft Store idea was because Apple and Google got slapped in the EU, and forced to allow third-party app stores. And by that point, the Steam Deck was already in production, so there wasn’t much point in canceling it. Especially since, as I mentioned earlier, it expands the Steam Store’s reach, which is their real end goal.

As the kids like to say ..... Let em cook.

It'll come out when it's meaningful and a big leap. They've said as much before.

Yup, they’ve straight up said that they’re not interested in iterative upgrades. They said they’d only consider a Deck 2 when the hardware was actually in a place that it would be a meaningful upgrade.
In the meantime, they’re focused on getting devs to actually optimize their games for the SD’s (admittedly aging) hardware. Basically, forcing devs to actually plan for Steam Deck support, instead of just shipping an unoptimized piece of junk out the door and blaming hardware limitations when nothing except the newest cards can play it. There are plenty of games that look gorgeous on the Deck, so we know it’s 100% possible to do so.
- The main thing I want, besides higher performance, is higher resolution to increase readability. Do something like what Apple did when they introduced their ultra high resolution monitors - present it as a standard resolution monitor to software, but then let the OS handle stuff like font rendering at full resolution and overlay it.
  That way you don't cause a performance hit from games rendering more pixels than what's necessary for a small screen in 3D scenes, but the detail you do need is there to see. They should work with game engine developers and get the OS side support of it upstreamed to the Linux graphics stack (presumably the game mode window manager Gamescope would be the first place to build it into). It would work in parallel to the upscaling algorithm for the rest of the frame buffer.
  Stuff like puzzle games and platformers, etc, could even have game engine support for tagging certain assets and object edges and symbols for higher resolution rendering, not just for fonts, so it's easier to see the important things. You could even do stuff like render faces specifically at higher resolution and do the rest at low res with upscaling.
Fucking seriously. They pushed out a handheld that can play AAA games on low settings. It came out ~3 years ago, so they're on track as any other major hardware developer.

I don't want a new steam deck. I want a new steam controller and for valve to announce steam machines 2.0

Then we can finally watch windows die a (probably fairly slow, but steady) death.

New steam controller was leaked earlier this year, and leaks for the new steam machine came out a few days ago. So you'll get your wish pretty soon probably.
- What's really cool is that in a lot of cases you can just load up the game on steam in linux and it just downloads and uses the same proton layers that the deck does. I run arch and in my testing so far it works, hampered by the fact that my test box is a very old a10 amd apu

I can wait for 2028, but how about giving us a Steam Controller 2? Take the screen out of a steam deck and call it a day.

Take the screen out of a steam deck and call it a day.
Almost. Also put the dual stage triggers back in.
Yeah. I have a Steam controller that I'd use if it had 2 thumbsticks. The touchpad is okay for controlling the cursor but otherwise it's annoying.
- I love the thumbpads
It's coming, expected to launch alongside the upcoming Steam Machine.
- This one I'm excited for. A Steam Machine would be great, and my biggest gripe with controller play on my desktop is the missing trackpads mean Steam Input didn't work. There are games that I choose to stream to/play on my Deck over using my 1440p 32" screen on my gaming rig because I don't have Steam Input on my desktop.
This would be great, I recently used a regular xbox controller for the first time since I got my deck and it felt so small and all the buttons were in the wrong place and it made me mad.

Why is everyone in a hurry? What's wrong with the one we have? I have the 64GB LCD one (OG one) and it's fucking flawless still. Yeah, the storage is annoying, but all of my games play no problem. So, what's the issue? Also, do y'all realize how fucking insane the ergonomics on this one? It genuinely made me not look at any other device. Please let them take their time so we can get an even nicer device.

I guess it’s consumerism and people always wanting more.
I’d be happy if the Steam Deck 2 wasn’t released until 2028 as I’ve just got my used LCD in 2025.
- I have a friend who is like that. He doesn't leave anything behind. He basically has every gaming console out there, two PCs, 3 handhelds..... Etc. He has over 1800 games in his team library. I couldn't do that even if I had the money for it. Man, we don't even have enough hours in the day to play all of that shit. Lmao
There are two kinds of people who would like a refreshed Steam Deck, in my experience:
People who seem to think it needs to be faster. Since it appears to be crafted to provide suitable performance for the 720p display it has (which I don't personally think needs to be changed, considering the whole "portable" use case), this seems to just be a "bigger number better" argument and those people should probably go out and buy a Lenovo Legion / ROG Ally / whatever.
People who are otherwise happy, but think it should have a newer, more efficient processor to get longer battery life, and make less heat/noise in the process. There's a measurable gulf between the current Zen2/RDNA2 CPU and a theoretical modern Zen5/RDNA3.5 (or even RDNA4) model in that regard; it could be tuned to deliver roughly the same performance as the original (or a little more, for the handful of games that tend to miss their performance target slightly) but deliver longer battery life.
We got a hint at 2) with the OLED model's CPU using a newer manufacturing process improving thermals and battery life (of course it did also have a bigger battery). I think the number of people willing to pay a bit extra for what could be an even larger improvement in that area is probably more than some would like to admit.
(I personally fit in that latter category. Considering a full work day including a public transport commute and lunch break, not a whole lot of extra battery could well be the difference between having to carry a charger and not)
- Certainly understandable. I really don't want them to increase the resolution. For that screen size, it's perfect. If they made better hardware and kept the same screen res, imagine the battery life you'll get out of this thing. Also, I want them to keep how it looks like right now. It's hands down the most comfortable handheld I've ever tried, and I've tried several of them.
- I want a higher resolution screen, for readability. Games don't need to use a higher resolution in general and can keep targeting something like 720p, but I want text and more to be crisper, etc
  https://infosec.pub/comment/17743689

Honestly, for me I don't really need a new steam deck. The OLED deck is almost perfect already. I don't know that a ton more processing power is necessary for me. Whenever I've wanted to play a more demanding game on my deck I stream it from either my desktop gaming rig, my ps5, or from Geforce Now. (Though i know obviously not everyone is going to have those luxuries) The only thing I think I would REALLY want would be a WiFi chip that doesn't shit the bed if it doesn't like the router your using.

I have an aging gaming computer (6700k, 2080ti) and as i get older the need for a massive desktop is financial shitty now and starting to feel unnecessary for me. Desktop mode in a dock feels great and most of my hardware/all of my storage is out in the garage in a rack. It's a thin client I can game on.
I see plenty space to upgrade on battery relates masters, more deficiente processors would certainly allow that, whilst also enabling the deck to be used in 4K screens whilst docked with an actual decent performance and graphics.
- Battery doesn’t have as much of an upgrade path as people think - you add more cells / energy in the same space, and you get the cause of those Samsung phone fires. It more commonly comes from processor efficiency improvements, which is hard when that’s mostly the domain of whoever coded the Windows-based video game you’re playing.
  If it helps: Look up TDP customizations for your favorite games to play on Deck.
Yeah right. If a new steam deck comes out in two or three years, I'll probably be about ready to upgrade. Right now my existing deck is great and does all I need it to. Best bit of tech I've bought in many years.

Take your time Valve.

This feels about right. I have an OLED and I got it about 6mo after it came out. I'm rocking it most days, and it doesn't feel End Of Life. But I could see maybe wanting a new one in a few years.

It will never be "end of life". There are retro consoles that people are buying just for running SNES or GameBoy Advance games. Even those are perfectly functional for their purpose. Even if the Steam Deck got hard locked to only run games released up till 2025, it will still have enduring value. EoL can mean the battery is too degraded, but the battery is replaceable.
A "soft EoL" will realistically come when much much faster hardware is cheaper, the Steam Deck is out of production and it starts struggling to play even indie games. At this point, buying a secondhand Deck for £100 is still going to be a bargain and get recommended for emulators, retro gamers and patient gamers.
- Fair, I was mostly referring to needing an update because a few games I want to play on the deck need it.

Didn't Valve say it was gonna be quite a while until they release a Steam Deck 2?

They said they would wait until there was a meaningful increase in the power or efficiency they could get out of the form-factor.
The OG deck launched 3.5 years ago, and since then not much has changed. The steam deck GPU has 1.6 TFlop of FP32 compute at 15W. AMD's newest low-power APUs have 2.3 TFlop of FP32 at 28W - nearly double the power for a <50% theoretical performance gain.
A semi-custom APU (that removes the useless AI engine) would compare more favorably, but we are still talking about maybe 20% more performance, not exactly game changing for the cost.
That's what I thought too. Add the fact that Valve time != normal time.
I think the zoomers dont really know what "quite a while" is.
Yes, but that was awhile ago that they said it as well.

It's actually refreshing that a tech company isn't putting out a barely upgraded yearly iteration just to cash in on fanboys/collectors.

Oh.. I kinda hope so.. I just ordered a steam deck yesterday.

I meant to check this specifically before i ordered and i completely forgot

I got the OLED when it came out and it was the best purchase I made when it came to ‘consoles’
I don’t think I have turned my PS5 on more than a half dozen times since I got my Deck and that was just to play games like Beatsaber with the family.
The deck just offers way too much flexibility for games not to mention you can take it anywhere.
You're gonna love it

Good choice. As easy to forget as it is, that'll be the 8th year of the PS5. Probably will benefit from similar supply chains as the rumored PS6/PS5 handheld and whatever MS does. Main shame to me is for people buying a Steam Deck and being stuck with regular sdxc microSD. microSD express or that Biwin mini SSD would be real nice

As easy to forget as it is, that'll be the 8th year of the PS5
Holy shit, what??
- The most culturally mute console generation in my lifetime that will probably be surpassed cultural midness by the PS6. Games take too long to make now

…who the hell thought it was anytime soon? they work on valve time. when they can shift a paradime they do, when it won’t they do something else

It's been "Coming Soon™" for at least over a year and a half now, and according to THE CHART, "coming soon" = only over two months. 🤷‍♂️
- Except Valve never said the Steam Deck 2 was Coming Soon™.

The Steam Deck is the minimum standard spec that games aim for to get the verified tag. Move it higher and people will have to upgrade everything.

Arguably the switch 2 will be the big indie target going forward, but thankfully it's performance being so close to the Deck's should keep the Deck relevant.
- IIRC the Switch 2 has weaker CPU in exchange for a more powerful GPU compared to the Steam Deck. Considering that console games specifically tend to be more GPU bottlenecked than by CPU, that makes the Switch 2 a bit more future proof since skilled devs will be able to deliver ports with a bit fewer compromises for a bit longer.
  But it's going to take a while before anybody will see the difference in most games, because neither of them will be pushed to their limits in (officially supported) games for a while. Most games that run on the Steam Deck are just running with adjusted graphics settings, not hardware specific tuning.

I don't think they'll release a new one until they make the leap to an ARM processor like Apple did when leaving x86 behind. But that means they'll have to make x86 emulator that doesn't torch the battery. As it is, Proton was an enormous undertaking and it has resulted in a fantastic product. I believe they call pull it off again and we'll get 20 hours of battery life with better performance.

But that'll take a few years. I'm in no rush to spend another $600+.

Just a note, Proton is mostly Wine, a program that has been in the making for decades and could be used to play Windows programs (including games) on Linux long before Valve started pouring resources into it. They have "just" concentrated development on games.
As previously discussed, it's confirmed that Valve is in fact working on a x86 to ARM emulator, probably for their upcoming VR headset.
However from what I understand, we're unlikely to get better battery life from ARM hardware unless the software/games are actually created for ARM hardware. x86 games running through an emulator probably won't see much benefit from the ARM hardware even if everything works great.
- It's been 5 years now since Apple moved to ARM. I think that had a big enough impact on the market to start compiling ARM binaries. Those toolchains are much more common now and I think once Steam makes the plunge, you'll see a ton of games target it directly. As shitty as Apple's decisions are sometimes, you definitely see them force the markets to move like when they removed the headphone jack.
At this stage, it's likely they'll move to RISC-V over ARM if they change architecture. Drastically freer licensing would give them more control and fewer headaches.
Proton isn't the same as an architecture emulator. It wraps the Windows APIs and translate them to Linux system calls. Translating CPU instructions is more complicated because it's much more latency and overhead sensitive, and slight architectural differences can drastically blow up performance hits to translation. You need hardware based emulation for some instructions.
- Yeah I was just using proton as an example of a translation layer that made the steamdeck possible. RISC-V would be great. The Steamdeck adopting it would also push far more development and refinement in the Linux kernal for that architecture too.

I don’t know who those “we” people are but benchmarks have repeatedly shown that in low wattage situations the performance difference between Deck and the newer handhelds is negligible, so this prediction is hardly a surprise IMO.

I am good with my 1st gen model. I ordered it day 1. It has a 2TB drive in it now. The only reason I want the latest model is for the improved repairability. There are only so many times I can disassemble a 1st gen Deck before the screws lose grip.

Take me with a massive grain of salt, but I know somebody who works with valve and had the oled prototype to work with before any rumor. She said that there's nothing going on. Next one will take a while.

I don't want a beefy Steam Deck 2, the diminishing returns on specs mean nothing to me. I want a Steam Deck Pocket that actually fits in my pocket and runs my favorite 2D indie games.

This is good. It means that when Microsoft and Asus release their ROG Xbox Ally, Valve will be able to lower their price so that it's affordable and accessible.

Could probably do that anyway - they know you're going to spend more money on Steam purchases with it.
They know you're buying Silksong.

Ideally they don't even need to, other manufactures can adopt SteamOS on their handhelds now

I have yet to see another manufacturer adopt the Steam Deck format. I mean, sure, it's great and all that there are options with more powerful hardware out there, but I find the lack of trackpads or asymmetrical analogue sticks an instant turn-off.
Qnd then there is price. Price is also a rather big factor.
Other manufacturers adopting Steam OS is a great sign, but it’d be nice to still get a really polished, maybe less powerful, device from Valve.
That's great if we start seeing it, but so far the Lenovo Go S is the only one, and Lenovo doesn't even list the steam OS version on their website in most countries.

Well good because the Steam Deck ain’t old yet.

I think in 2028, getting a Steam Deck 2 would be nice for the people who want something more powerful and fresh.

2026 would be too early for my taste.

Depending on how powerful the Steam Deck 2 is and its ease of use when docking it, it might become my only gaming system (Steam Deck and Playstation 5 for now).

This lines up with how their VR hardware is rolling out too. (A huge multi year gap)

And the “Soon” meme, of course.

Valve has never said the Deck 2 is coming soon. In fact they have said specifically that they have zero current plans for a Deck 2 and will not until hardware advances sufficiently
- Yup! It’s all happening as they said and as is consistent with their past.
- It's not that they don't have any plans. They have plans and are working on it, but they don't have launch plans. Companies like Valve always have ongoing R&D

Good

I hope there's some kind of modular update your steam deck hardware board like framework laptops

That's incredibly difficult in compact form factors. Modular frames and connectors would also add weight, etc. So far you can basically replace the SSD and spare parts like the joystick. But I'd certainly like to see them try. We're not going to see them make the CPU or GPU replaceable, but I've seen stuff like electrically activated glue for attaching components like screens while keeping it repairable because it's easy to release with electrical activation again. Would be cool to see Valve make use of stuff like that.

Maybe if they could make the steam deck 1 actually available in aus/nz first so we can actually purchase them instead of everyone just having nintendo switches idk just a thought

I'll ship one to you if you want
- Thanks but things tend to have voltage or compatibility issues when made for a different market
It's been officially available in Australia since 2024. I don't know about NZ though.
- Til. Still not in NZ but might grab one next time I'm across the ditch

K, Steamdeck 1 is awesome now.

I already have a beefy gaming PC and would much rather get an updated steam deck, that sucks

Yeah despite being an enthusiast for years my appetite for PC gaming hardware BS is running out and I'd love a really good dockable handheld to daily drive as my main PC.

We? You, maybe. I just got the thing a year ago.

The only things I need from a new deck are ergonomic changes, larger display and better grips and buttons placement, specifically back buttons and shoulders/triggers. Not in a hurry though.

How would you change the ergonomics/button placement? I find everything pretty comfy where it is, but I have somewhat large hands.
- The Deck shape is too square, I know this is for maintaining the smallest footprint, but for comfort it should be shaped more like a parallelogram with the sides pointing slightly outwards, like regular controllers are. For me the shape of the PS4 is perfect but if that is too much, then something more subtle like the 8BitDo ultimate, albeit no ideal, would do it.
  Regarding the shoulder buttons the triggers are recessed compared to the shoulder buttons, this is this way because with a square shape is the only solution available. It's the exact same layout as the Wii U tablet controller and makes it difficult to easily reach both the shoulder and trigger without cramping your hands. With a non square shape the top of the Deck could be more rounded and then have buttons layout similar to regular controllers.
  As for the back buttons well, they are simply horrible, flat, shaped and positioned awkwardly (they are at a straight angle when they should be tilted slightly inwards), they are hard to press and uncomfortable for longer gaming sessions. Anything they do with these should be an improvement.

It will release with half life 3 😂

Just upgraded the internal storage to 2tb.

I’m happy with my SD as is.

Ugh I just want to see the next gen if their VR.

I love my Steam Deck OLED and would only really consider an upgrade for things that improve the experience or reliability. Being able to run low and medium-graphics games locally and stream everything else from my PC with Remote Play is awesome.

I’d only want things like:

Hall effect or TMR sticks and triggers
Better battery life(but honestly it’s already great)
1080p, but not at the cost of horsepower or battery
More CPU and GPU power is never a bad thing but I wouldn’t want it at the cost of battery
Cooler and quieter(it gets warm and loud on Forza 5, TABS, Helldivers 2, etc)
Thunderbolt with external GPU support on the dock
More storage is always a good thing and 2230 SSDs pretty much top out at 2TB
The Bluetooth is laggy but I dunno, Bluetooth just kinda always sucks

and bloody hell Valve put the god damn xone driver in your SteamOS so I can use my Xbox wireless receiver without installing the driver after every update

Well that’s disappointing.

It took years to even release in my country to the point the hardware was eclipsed by other offerings.

Now I can’t even wait until the next model. Guess I’m never going to have a SteamDeck.

Just buy the current one, I bought one right when they first came out and it's still great!
Just get another handheld then, maybe a used ROG Ally, and install SteamOS or Bazzite. It’ll be fine.

So basically when the hardware gets better and cheaper, like AAA games on medium 120fps stable, additionally it would use MicroSDexpress cards. Oh, and HDR and dynamic framerate on OLED (both at the same time) needs to be developed for small screens.

I'm fine with this if it means they're shooting for no-compromise 1440p 120hz with ray tracing this time around. That's the only way I'd consider a Steam Deck. Otherwise it's little more to me than just a neat novelty for people who want to get into PC gaming but can't afford to. I rather just game on my desktop.

As a dad, the ability to pause games like a switch is beyond a selling point, it’s amazing to me that it’s ALSO and affordable low end pc and gaming rig that’s ALSO portable. There’s hundreds of indie games that run like a dream on the steam deck, not to mention retro games.
You’re not getting desktop performance in a portable format for cheap like the steam deck, and again the ability to pause a game is fucking phenomenal for my life.
- Pausing has allowed me to start working through my backlog, totally agree with all your points.
With the death of moore's law, that may never be possible for a handheld.
- More stacking of layers (like 3D cache) and more efficient architectures and nodes will bring it closer.
  However, nobody's ever going to beat TDP. Anything you can fit into a handheld can be multiplied several times over in a stationary console.