Not sure if I'm a fan of this

GNOME alone is like 60% of the reason why stock Ubuntu and all of its derivatives suck. It's like a mashup of ChromeOS and MacOS, two of the most god awful UX designs this past decade.

Compiz by itself kicks GNOME out of the water, despite it being a now legacy compositor from 2007.

Most annoyingly, even RPM distros like Fedora offer it as default, despite having a fully supported KDE option right there, along with any other DE that you might want like XFCE, LXQt, Cinnamon, MATE, etc.

I don't completely hate MacOS, it's pretty nice IMO.
GNOME instantly gets replaced by KDE Plasma though. With Cosmic also installed for some fun alpha testing.

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Nevermind the donation pop-up, how can people use gnome? It's unusable, it interface is literally the worse UI I've ever had the displeasure of using only second to macOS.

I believe that gnome is actually what is keeping many people away from gnu/linux, since it's default on many distros, people install "linux" and they get gnome and gnome sucks so they hate on linux instead of hating gnome.

I use it and like it. No strong opinion here, it just works well for me.
- I was into it back when Gnome 3 came out... the problem is that I had to fill too many "holes" (for me, maybe not for everyone) in the functionality with extensions and those were quirky as fuck. You never knew what was going to stop working (or work differently) any day but without them, I could not function properly
  And just to give you an idea of how tolerant I am with risk... my daily driver now is Garuda Linux with Hyprland instead of a desktop that I configured from scratch... my browser of choice is FireDragon which is a fork of Floorp which is a fork of Firefox
  I am certain it is better now than it was back then... but once you are comfortable with an environment, it is a pretty tall order to switch around.
Gnome also has a few nice things that I miss whenever I try kde or cosmic. It really depends on what you need from your DE.
- I do not like cosmic. They remove random features i use a ton.
  Like accessing a file address in the address bar. Why. Why can it not show the file path.
  Also keyboard shortcuts rarely work. If I extract and archive, I have to mouse it all. No alt+e for extract here, nope.
  Also pop shop on popos is horribly optimized.
Well, I use it, I like it, and I can confidently say it's not for everyone
You gotta think the gnome way. Like, for example, I don't feel the absence of the minimize button because I adopted gnome's workspace-based flow
It doesn't get in my way, I don't even feel its existence most of the time. Gnome 3 sucked and definitely got in my way but beware that I am talking about gnome 4x here.
Context: I'm an i3 and plasma user depenending on my machine with one exception.
I find Gnome to be in the way 100% of the time, until I put the mist and konquer down and start using the touchscreen. Its a nice DE for touch oriented devices, but it really sucks to navigate with moist and keybread imho.
Edit: the one time I don't fix my spelling someone comes along and says something. I'm gonna make it worse 😈
- Ah, yes, the classic …
  noise and keyboard
  moist and keyboard
  morse and keyboard
  Re: edit
  Yes! Embrace the typo. Elevate it to art!
What’s wrong with the MacOS UI? It works pretty well, and is pretty easy to pick up. Some of the biggest complaining I heard back in the day is that the close/min/max buttons were on the other side and someone who can’t handle that doesn’t have an opinion worth entertaining. Most of it was just a extreme refusal to learn out of spite which is more embarrassing for them than an argument.
- I don't hate macOS, and I don't even know if I consider it worse than Windows, but here are a few things I dislike.
  Overuse of icons with no clear way to turn on labels combined with a weirdly high time for tooltips to appear makes things confusing.
  Finder doesn't have a way to just go up a directory or easily type/get the path of the current folder. The home folder is not in the shortcut area by default.
  "Alt tabbing" between windows behaves very differently, though it's not necessarily worse, just different. Command tab switches programs. Command back tick switches windows of that program. So if you want to switch between windows of a browser it is a different shortcut. This one is entirely opinion based. But still, there's no way to change the behavior.
  Notifications go away after a very short time period or stay forever. There isn't an easy way to get them to stick around longer without making them stay until you dismiss them. It'd be nice to have a middle ground between a few seconds and forever.
  Closing a window doesn't necessarily close a program. Like the "alt tabbing" thing this is opinion based too, because these approaches both technically predate the other approach. Sometimes you close a window and it has a dot on the task bar meaning it's still running. It's very odd.

Arch user here who enjoys Gnome because I started my Linux journey over a decade ago with Ubuntu. Tell me which desktop environment I should be using. Which desktop environment will make me question why I’ve spent so much time with Gnome?

GNOME is a great desktop environment. Ignore the people here who are whining; there's always a bunch in any DE-related Linux post, regardless of the DE being discussed.
But, just to add to the discussion, KDE is the only real alternative as far as feature parity is concerned (that isn't just a fork).
If Gnome has worked for you the past ten years then keep using it.
KDE Plasma
They all have pros and cons. If you like how it works out of the box, you've already won.
I ran Gnome for years with a collection of plugins and hidden gsettings to make it windows95-esque. Bottom bar, left apps, small bars, multi-screen, stacked windows, full time and date in the tray.
And every gnome update, a plugin or two would break, and I'd go find someone else's plugin that did the same thing, but wouldn't break.
Finally, I tried KDE on a new install, and it was exactly how I wanted it out, out of the box.
It's been a long time now. For all I know, Gnome supports all that up front in config.
but if it's how you want it, that's all you need.
The issue is that GNOME is incredibly opinionated and makes it very difficult, if not impossible to configure some basic functionality that every other DE has options for. GNOME will work for you if you want a DE that works exactly the way stock GNOME works, but as soon as you want to change anything, you run into a brick wall. Nearly any other Linux DE can be configured to look and work similar to GNOME, but GNOME can't be configured to work like anything other than the vanilla GNOME the devs insist you must use. It's the antithesis of Linux IMO (modularity, reconfigurability, config-file-driven) and acts more like a MacOS skin.
XFCE 😅

Btw, you can buy M4A1-S for 1.8k in this game.

That's the price of the Galil, aren't you mixing something up?
Gotta eco
3800 $, no?
- No, no, that would be more than the AUG. It's 2900 $ these days. Used to be 3100 $ for a while, I think.
  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11tDzUNBq9zIX6_9Rel__fdAUezAQzSnh5AVYzCP060c/

Just use Linux Mint.

What distro? I've been using GNOME on Ubuntu and Debian for the past five years and I don't recall ever seeing a donation notification.

That is because it's new to gnome 49, debian and Ubuntu aren't bleeding edge to have them
I got exactly this notification on Arch last night
- GNOME on Arch just feels so wrong to me...

Don't be a loser with no defuser!

I'm not sure why people enable any notifications on their desktop in the first place.

To be notified of things that they want to know about.
- And even notifications they don't want to know about for free!
- "You are technically correct."
  "The BEST kind of correct."
Whenever I start a game on my KDE desktop, the notifications get muted automatically. I have no idea why, because I really don't remember setting it up. Maybe it's a standard feature that was added at some point. It's honestly pretty great though.
- KDE turns on do not disturb mode when a program is in full screen mode by default.
  You can test this by binding DnD to a button (preferable Meta key + unused letter like F), opening a program in full screen mode and toggling DnD.
  This feature can be disabled in settings.
- I think it's a default. It also tells me how many notifications I missed after closing the game.
I usually like being notified of messages in certain chats. But even with that I'd like to be able to choose which chats are allowed to disturb me no matter what and which ones should make noise but not that damn much!

I believe the notifications for donation on my KDE laptop (running Bazzite) are yearly so... hopefully you won't be seeing it often

Recent versions of KDE also automatically enable Do Not Disturb mode whenever you launch a full-screen window so you won't get interrupted by a notification anyway! Honestly surprised GNOME doesn't do that as well.
- They do.

So GNOME is getting encrapified, just like KDE is. This is why I don't use either or, and just stick to WM's on X11/XLibre.

xlibre
lol alright enjoy
For anyone missing the context, xlibre is an X11 fork made by a guy salty he was banned from Red Hat for posting right wing conspiracy theories: https://linuxiac.com/xlibre-xserver-project-plans-revival-of-x11/
- Enrico Weigelt. He's also an anti-vaxxer moron. To quote his own words on the LKML: https://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/2106.1/04542.html
  And I know a lot of people who will never take part in this generic human experiment that basically creates a new humanoid race (people who generate and exhaust the toxic spike proteine, whose gene sequence doesn't look quote natural). I'm one of them, as my whole family.
  So yes, sure, nobody can stop people that think the pandemic is over ("we are vaccinated") from meeting in person.
  Pandemic ? Did anybody look at the actual scientific data instead of just watching corporate tv ? #faucigate
  The only benefit I see in Xlibre is that it will attract idiots like him and and draw them away from projects with real merit.
1/10 ragebait not even close
- Observations aren't considered ragebaiting. That sounds completely silly, in my opinion.
What's wrong with KDE?
- They have the audacity to put up an unintrusive pop-up asking for donation once per year, the two seconds dealing with that out of every 31,536,000 seconds is just way too much
- Being the bleeding edge solution, it sometimes breaks itself trying to do something new.
GNOME and KDE are both supported primarily by donations. It's the only reason they're NOT shitty. I don't think simply asking for donation makes them "encrapified".
- GNOME not being shitty is really debatable.
Yeah, i get it, wayland is so terrible, and pipewire even so, why do we need to do stuff in other ways when the old ways worked just fine for my specific use and had no problems that I understood anyway
- I don't have too many issues with PipeWire, but the issues come from Wayland, which happened to be more issues than fixes than X11.
How? You can turn them off.
whats wrong with wayland wm's like sway
- Wayland is not ready for primetime, despite improvements. It will never be prepared for mass adoption, as it completely destroys and fractures the Linux community. Many X11 developers know this.