People bitching about Lemmy.world blocking piracy instances sound like spoiled teenagers with no consideration of consequences

Curious to see how this thread will go, as it seems this opinion is indeed unpopular.

I agree with you 100%

A few points I've noted in the previous threads

• people confuse defederation and community blocking (in this case, it's the latter)
• people assume that Lemmy.world is hosted in the US while it's EU based
• people just feel like they need to announce they are leaving while this is not Reddit, most of the users open an alt and move on with their lives.

I'm just grateful to see that just when folks were beginning to doubt if Lemmy could actually serve as a Reddit alternative, we've been able to prove that we're equally if not more adept at insular slapfighting over petty bullshit and assuming the worst about others' intentions.

I’m still consistently surprised that so few people seem to have realized that you can just make an alt on another instance that federates with blahaj (or the instance itself) if you feel like it.

And as to the server owner: they’re doing this with donations and out of the goodness of their hearts. That kinda gives them the right to run their server as they see fit. If you don’t like it… either find another instance, make your own, or shut the fuck up.

Not to mention it's not like Reddit where they're doomed to their fate. The fedi is literally designed to get around this. That's the whole point! Swapping instances is absolutely free. Though it is a bit of a pain without official migration tools so hopefully that gets fixed soon.

I agree with your unpopular opinion but also think the people should feel free to bitch if they want to. I’m just happy to be here not giving dollars to Reddit.

A bit of looking makes me think the admins have a legitimate concern here. Platform immunity in the EU isn't quite as strong as it is in the US in general, and it's specifically weaker with regard to copyright.

A successful copyright lawsuit (maybe even an unsuccessful one) could bring down the whole .world network, which hosts multiple federated services for many people. There could be personal liability for the admins as well. The admins should try to protect against outcomes like that, and the EU should probably strengthen its platform immunity laws.

I get what you're saying, but calling people spoiled teenagers won't change anyone's mind. Attacking people is never a path to changing their mind.

Humans who run instances are real people

This is the main problem here - the site is explicitly and legally run by a specific set of humans. Not by LemmyWorld Corp. Not by LemmyWorld LLC, but by “Jelloeater” et al. TBH this is a dumb idea. I don’t even run my own personal website as myself, let alone a forum with third-party content.

Having the admins and operators spend $50 for an LLC filing would shield the operators from most of this personal liability, even if the site itself would still be at risk of action.

The real issue is that LW has become the de facto front page of Lemmy. No instance should have as many users/communities as they do. It gives them too much power over Lemmy. They could probably kill many instances if they decided to defederate from them.

The issue I have is with the mods spite-banning users who expressed negative sentiments over it.

I'm glad the LW admins have the foresight to consider things like this and other areas of concern. It's good to see LW admin admit when they don't know enough about something and are being cautious. I don't think Discord should be the place for any announcements though. Hopefully LW can get the legal protections or assurances necessary to host all of the content people want to see.

The biggest thing is simply. "Lemmy.world "...

If someone really is that upset, create your own instance. Find an instance that agrees with you and swap it. I'm not anti-piracy, but this seems like a fundamental difference between you and Lemmy World, that essentially means you should find a different instance.

(or go create an account on a piracy server and here if that's what it takes)

I mean... The piracy communities have very useful links to wikis all about how to sail the high seas...

Don't get me wrong, I don't really have any skin in this game, I dabble in a bit of piracy now and again, and am broadly pro having a community for people to chat about it although I don't myself.

But at the same time when a community description has a link to a page with comprehensive lists of the best sites to download/torrent from, including a cute little goat emoji next to the best ones, let's not be disingenuous. (That wiki is terrific btw)

If theoretically someone did decide to investigate you for having links to lots of legally dubious information available on your instance I don't know the law in other people's countries but in mine it wouldn't be worth the hassle or attention. I say theoretically because at the moment Lemmy is probably too small to get attention but still.

I can see why people might want to play it a bit on the safe side if they're not sure if they're going to get into trouble over something or not.

The internet is a silly place.

I'm so tired of the "just change instances" argument that comes up every time mods make a bad decision. It's as bad as "just watch something else" for movies. Like yeah, literally everyone recognizes that you can choose how to spend your time, but that fact isn't a magic buffer against critisism.

Piracy is the second thing every social network has to make an effort to remove. The first one is child porn.

As free speech as everyone's intentions are for the most part, you can only be in that fight so far as your pockets allow. If you believe you are legally untouchable, then go for it. But you're probably not.

Absolutely agree with this.

It's a shame the bandwagoning didn't stay on Reddit as people migrated here. I really wish upvotes and downvotes weren't displayed for anyone, maybe then people would act more civil.

Imo, if you really care that much to to another instance or host your own.

So happy that people make the same narcissistic finger-wagging posts that were so beloved on Reddit.

I get where your argument stems from, and I do agree with it when it comes to actual file hosting. But lemmy instances don't host any files other than images. People are only talking about piracy. There isn't anything illegal going on, risking liability by letting people discuss shit.

I find it far more compelling to focus on the argument against the whiny people that the community was in violation of the rules established by the instance the entire time it existed. The instance didn't change the rules all of sudden, it just decided to enforce them.

It's not the end of the world. Make a new instance. An instance specifically devoted to piracy. Then you can do whatever the hell you want because a pirate is free.

I like this move from lemmy.world since too many users have seen it as the default instance to make communities. Was the reason why I was glad when Android from reddit came here and started their own instance. Communities being spread out so there isn't a single point of failure is nice, and it's only a few communities affected if you decide you don't want anything to do with them for whatever reason. So this has led to good reflection.

I do not think there's much risk to hosting a forum talking about piracy, even less so when your forum is simply connected to it.

Im personally not a big fan of defederation. It just seems to split the user base, it's extreme like cutting your arm off to avoid some poison ivy. In the end, it reduces the amount of users a post gets too and reduces the number of comments and general engagement. It has its place and I don't think this was it.

It's also annoying to have to create different accounts. I didn't quit Reddit to start using 5 different mini reddits one at a time.

That being said, it's really hard to care about.

This needs to be upvoted to the top.

All those entitled kids need to read this classic also: https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/hey-elon-let-me-help-you-speed-run-the-content-moderation-learning-curve/

Are they still hosting nsfw communities? Are mot those also a legal liability?

Well, props for picking the right community for such a take.

Take your upvote.

People upset lemmy.world blocked piracy instances mad🤬 People hite with a lawsuit from the mpaa 😭

You also sound like a billionaire bootlicker. You vote for Trump too?

They are free to defederate but prople have the right to voice their opinions.

That is not spoiled teenagers.

"Bitching", "spoiled", " greedy ass", "fucking"... And you accuse other people of behaving like teenagers?

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And you sound like a pretentious prick 🤷‍♂️

I'll make a discord post detailing this, I won't link you to that info, however.

Your whole vibe seems pretty narcissistic and gaslighty. When you point a finger, you point three at yourself.

If you host a lemmy with copyrighted materials puts your house at risk? Come on bro get some perspective