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Russia is charging families of dead soldiers $1,500 to get their bodies back, human-rights group claims

www.businessinsider.nl Russia is charging families of dead soldiers $1,500 to get their bodies back, human-rights group claims

A Ukrainian human-rights group says Russian commanders are charging families to retrieve remains. Crimea SOS accused the Russians of charging some $1,500

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- Pretty sure the military needs this too, just to keep it funded.
  
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  You say that like the military would see a single red ruble of that payment rather than it going straight into the commander's rainy day fund. He had to go and get Conscriptovich killed in the first place, that's hard work and deserves compensation.
  
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- They are charging half a year's income, by the way. Not just "charging money", but charging so much that no one can afford it without becoming homeless.
  
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- A coup is extremely unlikely, and here's why. The ruzzian army is mostly a collection of private armies funded and heavily influenced by oligarchs. These oligarchs manage to get along with eachother to cooperate on a battlefield under higher instruction, but there is still bickering, backbiting and bullshit behind the scenes.
  
  A coup would require the majority of the army's oligarchs to get along with eachother, trust eachother and coordinate with eachother. Imagine Italian mafias from the 1960's and how difficult that would be to accomplish. That's about how childish, skittish and unintelligent these guys are and why a coordinated coup is not likely.
  
  The good news is, though, a temper tantrum by one oligarch could get pootin killed. That is not off the table on any given week. Cross your fingers.
  
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- Helps keep them massage the causalty numbers if they don't have to return all the bodies ...
  
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lol they're cartoonishly evil

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- The only cartoonish thing here is obvious (and very stupid) Ukrainian propaganda.
  
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Insider was unable to independently verify the claim.

Look, I side with Ukraine in this conflict, but this info is coming from a Ukrainian human rights group. I think I'd assume that this is propaganda that might contain a grain of truth.

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- Ah yes Effin Birds https://micro.blog/effinbirds
  
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  Nice, thanks for giving them credit. I had no idea when from whom it came :)
  
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I'm sitting here watching Jack Ryan season 3 and Russia is portrayed as this big bad world super power and it's endleslessly laughable.

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- 🤣🤣🤣
  
  Yeah... that season was a little interesting. They definitely wrote it before the war as it has not aged well.
  
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- Is jack ryan series good ? Should i watch it
  
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  Lotta pro US/CIA 'ganda.
  
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  First season, definately.
  
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  1 and 2 are good but 3 and 4 are too over the top "super spy" mode
  
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  It's ok with good production values but the latest season is terrible.
  
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To put things into perspective, that's ~4 months of median salary, or ~8 months of minimum wage.

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- And what is the death benefit to the family?
  
  Russian officers refused to collect the bodies of dead troops so the military wouldn't have to pay their families, convict soldier says https://lemmy.world/post/3294516
  
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  I've heard figures up to $30k, I think, but 1. reports on whether these are or are not paid out reliably don't seem conclusive to me 2. I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a regional coefficient, and these are Moscow numbers 3. wrestling them out of the system must be hard, and now there's also $SUBJ.
  
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Feels like a kickback scheme: you need a body to get benefits, you must pay us to get the body....

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- So only families who have enough will get their benefits. These families will by default pay taxes so will cover some of that benefit. The 1500 will cover 5-7% of the benefit payed leading to a discount. You just know trump will be saying how smart this is
  
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If there is a terrible way of doing anything, Russia goes that route.

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- Russia is what a country run by only Republicans would look like. Desolation and grift everywhere. In short, in the wise words of orange man, "a shithole country".
  
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Russians are mostly conservative, so they will not rock the boat by complaining too much. They will just say it's all for the best.

Conservatism harms everyone. Even conservatives.

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- It's interesting how you've shoehorned conservatism into the conversation, but "fatalism" is the right word here.
  
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  Shoehorned? I think you mean "accurately described" instead of politely keeping quiet like we always used to do. The truth is, normal people have always seen the dangerous conservatism around us. We've just been polite this whole time. Look where that's gotten us.
  
  Conservatism is a plague and should be spoken about openly. We should be teaching our children why we don't do business or keep relationships with racists, misogynists, bigots, xenophobes, homophobes or any other types of conservatives.
  
  Wherever possible, normal people should be marginalizing the haters to marginalize the hate.
  
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So much for getting a new car...

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This is adding insult to injury.

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- They’re a bit more than injured if I understood correctly.
  
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  you made me crack up with that lovely bit of gallows humour.
  
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Anyone else feel two massive countries (Russia and China) are lurching from serious crisis to crisis (war, economic slowdown) and just feels like the "I'm in Danger" meme?

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- The US isn't much better. The 3 world superpowers are in serious trouble.
  
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  It’s nothing compared to what their indigenous populations endure under their rule.
  
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  compare the exchange rates of their currencies to see how thoroughly wrong you are.
  
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  India's on the rise. Unfortunately it is run by a fascist.
  
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Everything is a fucking grift in Russia. Goddamn.

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What #Ruzzians allow, will continue.

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