Just a regular day in here.

Why yes, I have been told by friends that I don't need to respond to memes with an in depth analysis because its just a joke, how did you know?

Indeed, though plenty of comment threads and instances have hiveminds of their own

Accurate. I've known for years that Reddit was going to go this way. As soon as I heard of this place I was onboard.

I suppose that does explain the trust in corporations ;)

Why would they need to scrape anything (which puts them at legal risks)? Threads is vastly bigger than the Fediverse. What do they care about having 1% more content, especially if a lot of that content is stuff their users don't care about? They don't even need to scrape stuff because humans will naturally repost content. How much of reddit was reposted from other social media sites by humans?

I can totally see where you're coming from.

On the one hand, the reason why I have chosen to eshew all social media and run degoogled Android on my phone is because of privacy concerns. So if Meta federates, I can access all that content from an app and network that respects my privacy, so that's good right?

My problem is not so much privacy, I'm more worried about the dominant position Meta achieves on the fediverse by it's sheer size. It will absolutely dwarf everything else. We already know this by just looking at the numbers, so if we wish to preserve the culture of the fediverse I see no other choice but to defederate and set up quarantined servers that exclusively federates with Meta and nothing else. Any server that federates will only see posts from Meta.

There might potentially be technical solutions to limit how much you see from one instance, but we don't have them right now.

For people in the FOSS sphere there is also a sense of "fool me once" when it comes to megacorporations engaging with projects, e.g. Google with XMPP, Microsoft with internet explorer, Google with Chrome and so on. There is simply no trust and we have been burned before in ways that has left lasting impressions that might be hard to understand if you have not experienced it yourself. Maybe it reaches a degree of suspicion that might seem paranoid to others.

I also feel that Lemmy right now gives me back a sense of what the internet used to be, before the walled gardens, and I feel that it is a fragile state of affairs that must be protected at all costs. It feels like I can finally breathe again after a long time with my head beneath the waters, and I don't want to be plunged under again.

Sorry for the ramble, I just felt like I had to put my feelings in print.

You know you're taking a stance either way? It's nice to say "wait and see", but you can wait and see while being defederated as well. Starting to federate is basically the same decision as stopping to federate. Just because the one happens by default does not mean that federation happening isn't a conscious choice.

It's like laying in bed all day. Yea, you were in bed, so it's the default, so you could say you just "wait and see what the day brings". But you're still effectively choosing to stay in bed. You don't need to be surprised if nothing interesting happens in your day, and it was your choice that nothing interesting happens.

Same with federation and defederation. We already know Facebook is a bad actor. If we federate with them, we're saying "all right let's tolerate the shit coming at us", we're not "waiting and seeing what the day brings", because we already know the day is not going to be interesting, since we're staying in bed.

Sure, you might discover a new game on your phone while in bed and the day might still be amazing. We might discover threads is not bad after all. But it's just so much more likely to have cool things happen in a day when you're out of bed doing things. Same as it's much more likely that Threads is going to be shit.

They don't want normie content and they're coming up with insane speculative excuses like a failed Microsoft playbook from the 90s that didn't even target open source software.

"Everyone who disagrees with me is a troll" - terrible take.

That take of that take is a terrible take. In fact, it's a circular argument because one could argue that you are, yourself, overgeneralizing anyone who has a dissenting opinion from your own.

People are allowed to like or dislike what they like or dislike. If you feel marginalized because your opinion is unpopular, whining about it doesn't/won't change anyone's minds.

Lack of trust has nothing to do with being an open platform. Or rather, its a very stupid argument to tell that there is no reason because its a open platform.

Everyone on activityhub is mostly non-profit and dont have the intention to be the number one and rich. Meta/Facebook on the other hand is trying to be number one and extinguish everything. Aka EEE

Imagine you owned a library. That library is in principle open, anyone can go in and read books, browse the web, wank in the toilets, etc. It’s a good place and it takes you some doing to keep it so.

Now imagine a bus full of book-hating pyromaniacs parks outside (in this metaphor, there is such a thing as book-specific pyromaniacs, just for the sake of illustration).

Surely you’d hang up a “no pyromaniacs” sign?

No, Threads wouldn't be any different, there'd be a negligable effect on Lemmy. Just insane amounts of FUD going on.

Wait, I'm supposed to see mastodon posts here?

Lemmy desperately needs to up the user friendliness of the system, which is incredibly hard. It's hard to encourage people to switch when the effort to get a somewhat working feed is so high.

Isn't it "embrace, extend, exterminate"?

Honestly, I don't see why Threads couldn't be intended to destroy both Twitter foremost, and also the fediverse before it's big enough to pose any real threat: Mastodon has some two million monthly active users right now, which is tiny compared to Twitter/Threads, yes, but it's also not nothing, especially for what Mastodon is and how quickly it managed to reach that level of usage.

So I don't doubt that Threads has ill intentions for both the underdog and overdog. I just don't think that the fediverse can be killed that easily.

Zuckers gotta zuck.

If it is not important, that join-lemmy cound just send them to random one, and not asking confusing questions.