1y ago

lesser of two evils

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21 day old account. Most posts are about not voting in the election to support Palestine. While what's happening in Gaza is genocide, this account smells like a Russian shill trying to spread FUD in the form of memes. The key part of diplomacy is not running around telling everyone what's being discussed in private. We shouldn't hear about potential deals until they are decided on. If Trump wins, he'll do the same thing Israel is currently doing to eliminate Hamas - which is to go through the Palestinian people.
- After you wrote this comment, OP made a concern troll post on the Men's Liberation community.
  You were totally on point about the FUD thing.
  
  Yeah... I'm only surprised that they shifted tactics so quickly. Fear, Unrest, and Doubt are the key tactics in Russian Disinfo campaigns. There's an old axiom: If someone is trying to make you feel strongly about something, then they are trying to sell you something. In this case, OP Is trying to piss people off in order to convince them of propaganda and Russian talking points.
- it says don't JUST vote. that means vote and then do more. your accusation of shilling is disgusting.
  
  Calling others shill is like the go-to accusation these days
  
  Do you really expect the people who call everybody they disagree with a shill to be able to read?
- If Biden listens more then does popular things, the effect won't be in Putin's interest. Just saying.
  
  Biden needs to pull voters from Trump.
  There are two types of Democrat voters today. Those who will suck it up and vote for him because he's not trump, and those who will find some excuse to not vote for him because he's not perfect. If he does the right thing for Palestine, they'll complain it wasn't fast enough, or they'll complain about his stance on marijuana, or on the environment, or on some other random thing.
- God forbid somebody care about something on the internet! Dont they know its uncool to give a shit about anything?
- If Trump wins, he’ll do the same thing Israel is currently doing to eliminate Hamas - which is to go through the Palestinian people.
  You mean... the same thing that is happening right now under a Dem regime?
  Say it isn't so!
  
  He'll also take your right to vote away forever... So I mean it won't matter anymore...
- I voted Uncommitted, if not voting for a genocider is really gonna get Trump elected maybe Biden should start listening to someone other than the demonic Beau Biden lookalikes running around the oval office.
  
  I'm glad you voted your heart in the primary. But I also really hope you are smart enough to vote him in the general.
- Your post history is 100% "Democrats bad," so if anything, this post is an exception and not the rule. I can ignore the bit about Russia and their point stands even stronger.

I don't get this meme.
Do both, vote for the lesser evil and demand change by protesting. Those are not mutually exclusive concepts. You are definitely not going to get change by not voting, all you are doing is allowing the more evil to win and prevent you from protesting ever again.
- You don't get it because you thought about it. This account seems to a mis/disinformation account. Remember to call out and report these accounts.
- Well that is kinda what the post is about. You can do both, the meme says don't JUST vote.
- In their moral justification, the argument of the lesser evil has played a prominent role. If you are confronted with two evils, the argument runs, it is your duty to opt for the lesser one, whereas it is irresponsible to refuse to choose altogether. Its weakness has always been that those who choose the lesser evil forget quickly that they chose evil.
  Hannah Arendt
  
  Sadly this doesn't take into account a two party voting system, and is completely wrong. They know they chose evil.
  The weakness is Americans sitting on their ass, never peotesting.
- There are two arguments I personally find persuasive. First, are you okay with having voted for a candidate that knowingly supported a genocide with words and with weapons (because it looks more and more like this is / will be the case). Second, what other leverage do you have over the Democratic party. Let them know that they can not win with such a historically shitty candidate, lick your wounds and try again next election.
  And if you think Trump is literally Hitler, please do some research and look up what happened after Germany voted for the lesser of two evils (Hindenburg).
  
  what other leverage do you have over the Democratic party.
  Voting is but one of many political actions you can take, and is therefore better considered as a small part of a larger political strategy. The best strategy for a leftist in this election is to vote uncommitted in the primaries and for Biden in the general - to send a message to the Dems while also staving off a more rapid decline to neofascism - while spending most of your time and energy engaging in direct action (i.e. protests).
  And if you think Trump is literally Hitler, please do some research and look up what happened after Germany voted for the lesser of two evils (Hindenburg).
  If I were in Germany in 1932 I would probably have voted for Ernst Thälmann, but the German electoral system is not the US electoral system. We have no 3rd option, and that is not something that can be addressed either by voting or abstaining. To address this will require direct action.
  
  I am NOT ok with Biden. I'm going to vote for him anyway, because in the next term he will be less bad for Gaza than Trump would be. Even taking into account Biden's current genocide.
  
  Biden makes Trump the VP and dies a year later? I don't get how that applies.
  
  you are a shelter of sanity in a sea of cultists.

Except that the lesser evil takes your vote as explicit support of everything they're doing, and will claim it as a clear mandate, we'd like to stop but our hands are tied the voters wanted this.
- 100k people just voted uncommitted against Biden in the Michigan primary, I think they are getting the message

Start putting some pressure on Biden so he will work for that vote. He still has a few months of Genocide to go before the election.

… and how?
- Physically stopping weapon supply. Blockading transport lines.
  
  What you actually mean is telling people on social media to do those things so you can feel like you're doing something without actually doing anything.
  The left at this point is just a meme.
  
  Where can I join you doing this?
  
  You first 👉👈

Throw American allies under the bus in their time of need? Iran approves.
- lol their 'time of need" as they are actively genociding their way though Gaza. Those 'allies' can't end up under the bus fast enough
- What American alies? Israel?
- American ally
  Is committing a genocide
  Checks out

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