If you go far enough left, you get your guns back.
59Horseshoe theory goes brrr
12No, it doesn't.
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Tell that to all the pearl-clutching left-leaning voters scared of a fucking AR-15s and continue voting to restrict ownership of firearms based simply on appearance.
51If nobody has guns nobody needs guns, pretty simple
65Yep that's simple, a common fantasy that people engage in. It is also quite impossible.
8Let's start by removing guns from police first, they are the most deadly with them.
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If gun rights were actually about that then the black panthers wouldn't have been surpressed and banned
22Yeah but why don't you just call the police? They're always so nice and helpful, they should have all the AR15s not the normies. Yes I'm on my way to town hall to explain exactly why we can't put affordable housing in our neighborhood in order to save the town's character, why do you ask?
13the appearance of the weapons or the owners?
10#not all progressives
I like to think I am a progressive, but I am sure someone left of me thinks I am downright hitlerally literal
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People who own guns are at a much higher risk of suicide. Guns might make you feel safe, but in reality the most likely person to die from your gun is yourself.
43This is like survivorship bias, but in reverse. Obviously almost everyone who killed themselves with a gun had access to a gun, but this doesn't mean that they wouldn't have committed suicide by some other means if they didn't have access to a gun.
This is something that is impossible to determine scientifically. If everyone in this study group killed themselves with a gun, how many of them would have not killed themselves if they didn't have a gun? They can't un-kill themselves and let us take away their guns so we can determine the effect.
What this study shows is that a gun is likely the first choice of gun owners who are trying to kill themselves. It cannot determine how much less likely they would have been to kill themselves had they not owned a gun, if at all. Intuitively I do believe that it would be less, because other means are likely more difficult, slower, or less effective. Whether this would result in slightly fewer suicides or much fewer I do not know, but this study doesn't prove either.
27Let us preface this with the statement that I believe people sound generally have access to guns if they want them.
Access to guns absolutely increases your risk for suicide. The fundamental reason is that having a gun and ammo available to you makes suicide accessible and quick. The urge to kill yourself is spontaneous and short lived, small barriers can and do save lives.
I want to repeat something fundamental to this study. The reduced suicide rate caused by limiting access to guns was not compensated for by an increase when guns were reintroduced. Restricting gun access saved lives. Full stop.
Again, I like guns. I think you should have a gun if you want one, barring any obvious reasons you shouldn't have one. But, I'm not gonna ignore reality; guns increase your risk of suicide. Life is full of risk, I think this one is acceptable.
11What this study shows is that a gun is likely the first choice of gun owners who are trying to kill themselves. It cannot determine how much less likely they would have been to kill themselves had they not owned a gun, if at all.
I wonder how many people choose other methods of suicide (Hanging/Drug OD) when they had a gun available.
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Having guns makes us less safe, and ideally we would have similar restrictions to other nations. Unfortunately, it'd take decades to actually get rid of all our guns, even if the second amendment was repealed tomorrow. As a result, us queers need to adapt to the dangerous reality and arm ourselves openly as a threat to the right wingers that worship the 2nd amendment.
So fascists, you want no restrictions? You want more guns then people? Then you have to face transmasc antifa super soldiers with higher T than you and transfem snipers with better aims than you. Don't like it? Sorry, your conservative Supreme Court made it near impossible to place restrictions on guns, and there's so many in circulation that even strict restrictions can't hold anyone back. Oops 🤷♀️
The power of armed queers is intimidation; to make the phobes think twice about fucking with us. As the Dutch resistance hero Willem Arondeus defiantly said before his execution, "Tell people that homosexuals are not cowards."
24And my axe!
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Do you realize how stupid that sounds? I mean, yes, it makes sense that would be the most common form of suicide, quick and painless, but that like saying all gun owners are suicidal. Me owning a gun doesn't increase my likelihood to die, it's just that using a gun is easier than other options when someone does commit suicide, and it makes sense the number of people doing this is so high when you consider anywhere from 10-30% of America's are diagnosed with depression, and close to half of Americans own a gun.
12There is an element of ease of access to suicide methods that influence attempt likelihood and success but it's very hard to determine whether someone would choose a different method or stop. Or if they would just show up as a death of despair down the line.
7Except neither study is talking about the most the most common form of suicide. They're both reporting higher rates of suicide among gun owners.
Me owning a gun doesn’t increase my likelihood to die
That's literally what both studies are saying. From the first one:
Men who owned handguns were eight times more likely than men who didn’t to die of self-inflicted gunshot wounds. Women who owned handguns were more than 35 times more likely than women who didn't to kill themselves with a gun.
From the second one:
in Wyoming, where 63 percent of households reported owning guns—rates of suicide were higher. The inverse was also true: where gun ownership was less common, suicide rates were also lower.
Also from the second source,
Studies show that most attempters act on impulse, in moments of panic or despair. Once the acute feelings ease, 90 percent do not go on to die by suicide.
4People who want to kill themselves and don't have access to a gun sometimes just give up and decide to live instead. Suicidal thoughts are not always persistent, they are fleeting. Having easy access to a gun is just another way to turn a temporary feeling into a permanent choice. It doesn't make you more likely to commit suicide, but it does make it more likely that a suicidal ideation turns into a suicidal action.
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Anime girl loses a point for not covering the space between her eyes; iirc it's one of the most important data points for facial recognition.
39remember, gun control started getting stricter and stricter because the black panrher party was arming themselves
23when i see multiple posts that are based as fuck and they all happen to be from the same person, it gives me the lemmy warm fuzzies <3
dang you're cool op
i wish i could find some kinda user-following feature x3 but i don't think lemmy has it (yet???)
21I wouldn't be surprised if police are jumpier/more trigger happy in the U.S. due to the increased prevalance of guns there. But I also wouldn't be surprised if it had no effect (anyone could have a gun, after all).
15They kill over 50,000 dogs a year. Among The 1000+ (up to 5000) people they kill, half of them are unarmed and not resisting.
A long time ago, another country had a similar problem, the Weimar Republic which was patrolled by Freikorps militias who took and killed what they wanted, and it was better to comply than see a massacre in your village. It'd be from these that the Sturmabteilung and Schutzstaffel would be recruited in the early days of NSDAP.
The second amendment in the US has never been extended to marginalized groups, and when the (successfully
anarcho-capitalistanarcho-communist!) Black Panthers rose in the 1960s to protect black neighborhoods and engage in mutual aid, FBI engaged in an assassination campaign to hunt down and murder its leaders and theorists.Edit: BPP were anarcho-communist, not an-cap. I'm a derp and was typing on mobile. Sorry all.
ETA: Huh. Raccoon doesn't show strikeout text.
19Wait, you're the first person I see claim that the black panthers were anarcho-capitalist - usually the claim is anarchists. What makes you say that?
6The black panthers definitely weren't anarcho-capitalists.
4Why the fuck would you call the BPP ancaps lmao what
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I agree with the statement. But my vision for a peaceful future isn’t a perpetual Mexican standoff. Nor do I like the idea of political power and representation being directly proportional to one’s intent and capability to do violence.
Also, if owning firearms is a requirement for civic participation, what you’ve really just done is institute a tax that goes directly to gun manufacturers.
9While I don’t want there to be a Mexican standoff future, the ability for a minority to protect themselves is insanely valuable. If you look back in American history, being armed was sometimes the reason why minorities were able to continue living.
This is because political power does come from the intent and capabilities of violence. While it’s disgusting to see paramilitary groups like the Klan trying to enforce white supremacy, people are often blind to the state’s use of violence for its own political power. And if the state is enforcing a hierarchical structure that places a minority on the bottom (much less the inherent hierarchy of the state), it’s probably a good idea to arm yourself if you are a minority.
That doesn’t mean we need we need to derive political power from the intent and capability to carry out violence, but as long as there are hierarchies, there will be violence to maintain them. And as long as that violence is aimed at you, being armed is not a bad idea.
9my vision for a peaceful future isn’t a perpetual Mexican standoff. Nor do I like the idea of political power and representation being directly proportional to one’s intent and capability to do violence.
The unfortunate reality is that all political power is derived from one's capability to do violence, whether we want to acknowledge it or not. I pay my taxes because if I don't the federal government will forcefully take the money from me, or my other possessions. Yeah, arresting someone is "nonviolent" until that person just says "I'd prefer not to." Forcing someone to pay a fine is nonviolent until they say "I'd prefer not to."
It's the only motivator the government or any body of real power has at the end of the day. It's a bunch of social norms and agreements all backed by the understanding that you will be made to comply by force otherwise.
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Lmao, as if oppression knocks on your door. Guns are for poor people, get a lawyer.
8I am poor and my neighbors are scary AF 😭
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