Biden Says U.S. Not Founded On Religion, But People Are In “Image of God”
Biden Says U.S. Not Founded On Religion, But People Are In “Image of God”
Biden subordinates religion's role in the founding of America -- with the direct implication that the United States is not strictly a "Christian nation" as many claim.
This really isn't anything different than any other president has said in living memory. If anything, it's not as extreme as some of them.
For example-
No, I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God.
That was George H. W. Bush.
That said, I will give his piece of shit son credit for one thing. He said this:
I will be your president regardless of your faith. And I don't expect you to agree with me, necessarily, on religion. As a matter of fact, no president should ever try to impose religion on our society. The great – the great tradition of America is one where people can worship the – the way they want to worship. And if they choose not to worship, they're just as patriotic as your neighbor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists#United_States
I can't remember any other time when a Republican at pretty much any level, let alone a president, would say that about atheists.
85Crazy times when the bar fell so low that Bush isn't even considered to be one of the worst US presidents anymore. US hardliners have all gone so crazy that people like him, by comparison, appear to be moderate now.
36To be fair, Dubya said a whole lot of things that no president before or since has said, mostly because his grasp of the vocabulary, grammar, and basic sentence structures of the English language is tenuous at best.
21Bush Jr was totally a warmonger… but he was also seemed more rational and sane than a lot of republicans comparatively… I wouldn’t say that he’s a good guy, just one of the least bad republicans. I’ll also give it to Romney for having some sense of principles and standing up against Trump despite everything else about him. They seem like the last in a rare breed of republicans that actually have some basic sense of honor. It’s a pretty low bar honestly but they seem to be slightly less lead poisoned? Which is something, I guess?
7Dude barely could form coherent sentences. He wanted to be on his ranch, not make hard decisions and coast through life as he always had on his privilege.
His cabinet on the other hand, of course picked for him, was the Mr Rushmore of military-industrial corpo takeover.Cheney ex Halliburton CEO that directed no-bid contract awards in the many billions to them. They of course still fraudulently over billed the government and had to cop to repayment in a level of awkwardness seldom achieved. "Con"deleeza Rice, who Exon named an oil tanker after prior to being secretary of state may have had oil interests in mid, Rumsfeld who was both the youngest and oldest secretary of defense in Ford and then Shrub administrations directed negative and increasingly antidemocratic military policy from Vietnam to Afghanistan.
7He clearly wanted to be to republicans what Clinton was to democrats, the firm commitment to centrism. Instead 9/11 happened and the country lost its damn shit and decided to declare war on Muslims and for some reason environmentalists.
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He said that because of what his dad said... Its pr
4This is partly because presidents have always said these kinds of platitudes as part of their presidenty speeches. And even with GWB, who was regarded as a moron, it was still taken for granted that he would fumble his way through presidential sounding speeches, and that presidents make vague, inclusive-sounding statements all the time.
Then Trump arrived and was a firehose of division, exclusion, namecalling, and nonsense, and it made even our worst presidents seem absolutely reasonable by comparison.
2Why is it always that the US does something bad or beyond logic, it always goes back to "what about that time when x said/did something worse" as if it's any fucking better?
- Remember that time when obama bombed a wedding?
- Remember when bush made up lies about invading iraq and got out scot-free?
- Remember that time when we invaded countries for no reason other than pushing our agenda?
- Remember when we funded terrorists that are now terrorizing the locals?
- Remember when we changed regimes to religious fundamentalists that turned into theocracy?
- Remember when we supported coups in democratic countries?
He can say any fucking prepared statement, he's a piece of shit zionist currently perpetuating a genocide. People trying to present him in positive light comparingto the scum of the nation are maggots that plague the earth.
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I sure do love being forced to vote for a capitalist christian in every goddamn election.
Sure makes me feel like I fucking belong here.
24being forced to vote for a capitalist christian in every goddamn election.
Have you ever been involved in the candidate selection process?
7When was the last time we had non-Capitalist or non-Christian as options on any level of the selection process? In the two-party duopoly we've had... Vivek Ramaswami with the
American FascistRepublican Party for non-Christian and then the closest we've got to non-Capitalist being Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Bernie Sander's Social Democracy (which Sanders mislabels as Democratic Socialism).6
I mean he's not wrong.
If you look at the founding documents, there is ZERO mention of Jesus or Christianity and only one mention of "God" and that's in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
Nature's God, which had and has a very specific meaning.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
Good book on the topic:
https://mwstewart.com/books/natures-god/
This is why, in the Treaty of Tripoli, the first international document to recognize the US as an independent nation, it reads:
“As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religious or tranquility of Musselmen, and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”
Musselmen = Muslims
Mehomitan = Islamic22I find it amusing how the argumentation that America is a Christian Nation is wholly reliant on not understanding political terms along with being ignorant of the history and founding documents of the United States. This is so frequently bundled with American supremacism and yet they care so little for the work of the founders or the history of the country.
11Didn't the first pilgrims who came to what is now the USA do it because they wanted to practice their specific flavor of Christianity and England was like "nah bro, that's crazy"? Or did my teachers in school lie to me? I know the country itself wasn't founded on religion.
4The Puritains. Yes, kicked out of England and came here because nobody else wanted them.
But you have to keep in mind the time scales involved...
1492 - Columbus makes contact in the Carribean.
1620 - Pilgrims come across on the Mayflower.
1630 - Some 20,000 Puritains come across.
1776 - Declaration of Independence.
1787-1788 - Constitution.
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Not too long ago you couldn't have a Catholic president saying this isn't a Christian nation. It's smaller progress than could be hoped, but at least it's a step in the right direction.
19"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.". Treaty of Tripoli, ratified by the United States Senate unanimously without debate on June 7, 1797, taking effect June 10, 1797
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Humans as a whole are selfish, greedy, short-sighted, ignorant, aggressive, toxic assholes.
Saying we're made in God's image is one of the hardest-hitting insults at God we could possibly drop - it's literally an attack on every single one of Sky Daddy's features.
15In the same breath, Biden asserts that every person is created in the “image of God,” implying a place for faith in interpreting America’s founding principles.
coming from a Catholic that was in office when Roe v. Wade was overturned
feels more like United States of Christ than ever
3You don't seem to understand that the President and the Supreme Court are two different branches of the government, each with separate powers and responsibilities.
Saying that Biden 'was in office' is meaningless, because there was nothing he could have legally done.
12Turning into Giléad in 3... 2... 1...
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