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Ironically, doing research is the best way to be right. What people want is to feel right without having to think very hard. Feelings don’t really require energy in the same way that thinking does.

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More than just research is needed and that's what many miss. One must be able to reliably evaluate the quality of evidence to sort fact from baloney. Doing so requires critical thinking, the ability to be able to poke holes in theories regardless of whether you like them or not, and the willingness to be wrong and, above all else, the mental flexibility to update your knowledge when proven so. Not everyone is able to do that.

I am used to being wrong a lot so it comes naturally lol.

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- I end most of my thoughts with "but I may be wrong"
  
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- Plus the methodology. There’s an idea of actively seeking out research contrary to one’s hypothesis, this helps circumvent the confirmation bias of only looking for things that support a hypothesis and ignoring anything contradictory. It can be healthy to find and consider dissenting opinions.
  
  Another fundamental issue is people using different meanings for similar words. Someone with a strong understanding of scientific method will say things like “I believe” or “studies show”, while someone else will say things like “This is” or “we know”. Colloquially the latter is stronger language conveying more confidence, but the former is more likely to be evidence based. “Theory” is used colloquially the way a scientist would use “hypothesis”. People will say “I have a theory”, that’s only a few sentences and doesn’t make any reliable predictions, the put down an actual theory backed by years of supporting evidence and peer review as “just a theory”.
  
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Feelings are SUPER important to humans because they’re a huge efficiency boost. We take everything we’ve ever learned in our lives and crunch it down into a feeling for how the world works. Then we make the vast majority of our decisions by using that “gut feeling”. Can you imagine how ridiculously inefficient it would be to have to analyze every new scenario you come across?

The big problem today is that people lean in too hard on that idea and assume that because their feelings are right most of the time, feelings must be equivalent to truth.

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- The problem is that the efficiency is achieved through shortcuts and biases. It'd those biases people need to be careful with.
  
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- Can you imagine how ridiculously inefficient it would be to have to analyze every new scenario you come across?
  
  I have adhd so I do not need to imagine it.
  
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- Can you imagine how ridiculously inefficient it would be to have to analyze every new scenario you come across?
  
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The problem arises from the fact that the internet in particular incentivizes attracting attention above all other things and there's no incentive for being correct, nuanced or well-researched. Combine that with the fact that people like to be right about things and doubly so when everyone else is wrong about it and you create a world where conspiracy, woo and other bullshit is actually an industry. I feel like that's part that always gets lost in these discussions: people are making money from this.

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Third option: they've fallen into a pattern recognition fallacy and think it's a number when it's a completely different symbol. This happens a lot more often than most realize and even knowing about it, it can be difficult to go against the human instinct to find patterns that may or may not exist and then fit the data to it.

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Someone, somewhere, will misrepresent this to give credence to the "do your own research" crowd.

Which is not to discredit the message. They misrepresent everything.

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GTFO! Clearly a drawing of a sanitary door hook. This is war!

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See, this meme is annoyed at the ramifications of epistemological relativism.

I am extremely annoyed by the superfluous commas.

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I really like this take.

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That grammar is shit as hell, too.

“Just because you are right

Does not mean

I am wrong

Except my grammar

Which sucks doodie”

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I’m a little amused that in the comic both viewers are correct relative to their frame of reference. An extremely powerful concept that significantly advanced physics and about which famous people are household names.

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I’m a little amused that in the comic both viewers are correct relative to their frame of reference. An extremely powerful concept that significantly advanced physics and about which famous people are household names.

You accidentally made the wrong point, because Einstein's breakthrough of special relativity was that the speed of light is constant regardless of reference frame.

So if two people with different frames of reference are measuring the speed of light differently, at least one of them is objectively wrong.

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- But if they measure the order of events differently, they may both be correct. That is because light is always perceived as being the same speed regardless of the observer.
  
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If you assume this is the entirety of the universe of the comic (perhaps encased in a spherical cow), sure.

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"The building is behind me therefore it's a six"

"But the number should be facing away from the building therefore it's a nine"

Me, an intellectual: "I want egg"

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Just make a 8 From it.

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That's not an 8, that's an infinity

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- That's not an infinity, it's a lemniscate!
  
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You mean ∞?

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- No i mean balls
  
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To further this point, there was an incident in early human history where it was debated whether the massive blobs in space where gas giants or galaxy. It went so far, in fact, that a mass of people built a telescope to clearly see the blobs just to prove eachother wrong and find out that both ideas were correct.

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I'm aware of the irony of correcting you but I can't help it. Nebulae not gas giants. Gas giants were known to be planets at the time, as they have apparent motion relative to the Stars. Nebulae and galaxies don't have apparent motion relitive to the stars.

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- My bad. But at least you still understood what I meant.
  
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That's so deep. I'm shooketh.

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To all native speaker complaining about grammar: please translate the meme into german or french (without using AI)

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i see the hiragana "no"

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However we might complain about philistine relativism, it's not "what is ruining the world"

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Idk, the COVID "I'm just as right as the doctors" idiots have come pretty close. What was probably quite a containable virus is now just something we'll have to deal with forever.

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- There was astroturfing and bankrolled conspiracism backing that
  
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What is ruining this world is that people are too lazy to crop their screenshots and make better looking posts with no wasted space. 😊 Just an opinion.

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To every retard arguing about the stupid fucking grammar, here's a proofread version of the meme's text:

But one of those people is wrong ; someone painted a six or a nine . T hey need to back up and orient themselves , and see if there are any other numbers to align with. Maybe there's a driveway or a building to face, or they could ask someone who actually knows.

[...] No one wants to do any research ; they just want to be right.

Only two of those sentences need correction. The sentence

Maybe there's a driveway or a building to face, or they could ask someone who actually knows.

Is fine because the comma separates the two conjunctions and makes them not sound clunky. That's using a comma for a pause that's legit.

The other two sentences actually are godawful and the overused commas do NOT indicate any pauses. They're just poorly written and need periods and semicolons in their place. They'd honestly be better off rewritten.

Jesus Christ, all of you. Facts and objectivity don't just go away because media conditioned you to treat grammar corrections as hurtful, unnecessary quibbling over shit that doesn't matter. It DOES matter. Shitty grammar is literal brain cancer. It makes text hard to read and unfairly puts the onus on the reader to figure out what the hell is being said, allowing speakers to get away with being lazy and selfish, and we can't do that if we're supposed to have a functioning society.

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shitty grammar is a literal brain cancer

I've got a fun joke for you: what's pedantic, hyperbolic, obnoxious and doesn't know what "literal" means?

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- People who whine and bitch when their shitty spelling or grammar is corrected, of course.
  
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Shitty grammar is literal brain cancer.

Um, akshully, it's metaphorical brain cancer.

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- Literally is perfectly acceptable. According to the Oxford English Dictionary
  
  https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/literally
  
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- Lol that's the spirit
  
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Do you realize that not everyone can actually learn to write well? And sometimes it is a person who is just learning a second or third language. I have dyslexia, probable ADHD and English is not my native language. I know my grammar and spelling are shit half the time and while I personally don't take correcting my writing badly, it definitely won't fix the issues in future. It is not about laziness or selfishness unless we are talking that it is selfish for me to try to communicate with people no matter the limitations. You never know what is happening on the other side of the keyboard so maybe be a little less judgemental.

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- And Act 2 of the fucking show: playing the disability card as if no one will see through the obvious dishonest ploy to garner sympathy.
  
  Stop fucking lying, you are not disabled. Some of my best friends actually are, and it stems from developmental delays suffered from abuse. You can get shit like dyslexia from abuse, did you know that? Delaying education to a certain age permanently strips a human of their ability to even be fully educated.
  
  You know what they do regardless? Use grammar and spell-checking tools. Have some of us proofread what they write, especially important work emails. Not a single one of us plays the disabled card to avoid responsibility toward readers or other people or even thinks it is acceptable to do that unlike your camp.
  
  So now we can add ableist to the laundry list of awful things people like you are, and it's not a joyful or pleasant thing to have to add.
  
  Lazy asshole disease is not a disability. ADHD, dyslexia, and developmental delays aren't labels you can bandy about and lie about having to weasel your way out of admitting you are wrong. Whether you yourself actually have those conditions or not is irrelevant -- you are enabling others who don't to lie by applying them to everyone who protests when called out on the problem, and you hurt society by making it acceptable to just lie to avoid responsibility. What you are doing is deeply problematic and cruel to people with actual learning disabilities, all of whom know this post isn't talking about them necessarily anyway.
  
  You're really fucked up.
  
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No it doesn't, you just want to feel better than people who don't know english as well as you. Grow up, jackass, maybe stop using ableist slurs along the way.

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- Nope, it's a genuine, serious problem. And if you want to talk about ableist while throwing shit at the wall hoping something will stick, maybe you ought to have a look at what the others are trying to pull in this very thread.
  
  You badly need to grow up yourself.
  
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It's the logo for the nearby eyeglasses repair shop!

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The irony is the "one of these people is wrong, somebody painted a six or a nine" is overtly false in this situation. Given the message of the original image, the artist spefically draw a symbol that could be interpreted two ways, and therefore (by design) both figures are equally and partially correct.

I don't believe we should abandon all pursuit of truth or objectivity, but the commentor is really making the artists case for them.

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The Artist's intent/message is based on a symbol that can be interpreted two ways, yes. But it is a massive oversimplification for the sake of validating opinions that are plainly wrong.

The Artist's point can only be conveyed by creating a situation where there is no context, so neither opinion can be validated. This is inapplicable in any way IRL because there is always context that will validate a specific opinion with facts. The comment just highlights that this situation is contrived and couldn't, or shouldn't, happen in such a way.

It warns of taking Data out of context to suit a specific narrative.

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I think someone needs to check if they have asperger

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Tekashi was right

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It’s rarely that simple. This post misses the point; and is just an excuse to insist that YOU’RE right and no need to try and understand the other side or hear them out.

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I don't think the post is saying who's right is simple, but that both of them need to do more research until there's enough context to perform a proper assessment. In the situation shown there is not enough information to determine what the facts are and it's bad for either of them to form an opinion on incomplete context. I agree with the counterpoint, if the situation is vague, do more research first.

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- That’s not as obvious as the commenter made it out to be. My entire life experience differs from someone else, some points are as obvious to me as the sky being blue, but others don’t have the same experience. This applies to so much in life; one minority knows the reality of discrimination and hate crimes and their neighbor is blissfully ignorant of that existence; and consequently end up on opposite sides of a debate and both claiming that their experience is the reality. Telling a victim of racism that they just “need to do more research” is only going to insult them. That goes back to my point that people should try to understand the other person’s mindset, not necessarily the same.
  
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What if the painter was intentionaly vague

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- What if the painter meant a 6 but an entire culture, entire nations of people have be interpreting it as a 9. For hundreds of years this has been known as "the place with the big 9." The author's interpretation of the meme is stupid. Human-decided things like this do not have objective right and wrong the same way that facts about the physical world do.
  
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- The painter made a single sentence to make a simple point. The next person replied with two paragraphs about how they interpreted a much more complicated point, and in doing so missed their own point.
  
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