Leaders of 'Uncommitted' and 'Abandon Harris' movements reflect on Trump's victory and early moves
A combination of worry and cautious optimism about Trump — and deep anger at the Democratic Party — pervade the groups.
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Joe Biden, personally and purposefully, aided and participated in an ongoing genocide, and Harris promised to not deviate from Bidens foreign policy.
You don't get the votes of the people you're genocide because maybe the other guy might also effect white people.
You don’t get the votes of the people you’re genocide because maybe the other guy might also effect white people.
Oh, cool, that was the issue with Trump, he'll be affecting white people in the US. Good thing Muslim and Arab Americans, along with other minorities, haven't explicitly been a target of his past attacks and promised future attacks.
Yeah, and they still didn't find him more of a threat that then person actually committing genocide.
Correct that he did that. I don't think you are wrong. Now take the next step and understand what Trump has also done and pledges to do for Isreal. They named an occupied area of Gaza after Trump, that might give you a hint.
You should stop thinking of your vote of a vote of support of the person's policies, and instead a vote for you, who is the person you think you will have the most success in getting to do what you want to happen in the next four years? Who do you want to struggle against for the next four years? Set yourself up to win.
Now take the next step and understand what Trump has also done and pledges to do for Isreal
You are claiming Biden/Harris would be somehow better than trump on the genocide and you have no leg to stand on to support that.
All signs point to Trump being worse by a factor of ten in every respect, not just Gaza, betting he won't is a losing bet. Could he be? Sure, that is possible, probable? No. At what cost are you willing to gamble?
In other words, you are entering the "Find Out" stage.
well aware. Last I checked you are entering "find out" as well arent you. And last I checked centrists were in charge of this epic debacle, all so they could take some bribes. Heck of a job.
You're the one who doesn't know whether Trump will be better or worse on Gaza.
I already know.
The genocide that was already happening was already a mile too far.
Genocide is binary.
Yeah, lesser evil voting has resulted in the greatest wealth inequality in world history, has regressed nearly all progress, and has had us have three dem candidates in a row be tougher on immigrants than any Republican in history.
To answer your little questions, the less competent more obviously evil one, clearly. You people aren't smart enough to join in a struggle against Biden or the Dems, so maybe now you people will protest for Gaza. Maybe now you people will protest for immigrant rights. Maybe now you'll protest for your own rights, for women's rights. Because you people did none of that under Biden, despite Biden being trump 2.0.
Lesser evil is unquestionably bad. But it's very in unnuanced to say that was the cause of everything. A factor, sure, but hyperbole doesn't belie understanding.
Speaking of that, "you people" is very presumptuous. It shows me you don't know what you are talking about, because all those things you say I'm not doing are blatantly false, but you have no way of even knowing that, so you are simply making categorical statements that aren't based in facts. So either you are being disingenuous in argumentation on purpose, or have made a lot of assumptions to come to a decision in a vacuum and are unwilling to let outside empirical facts get in the way of your opinion.
Joe Biden, personally and purposefully, aided and ....
let me stop you right there. I don't care.
I just can't give a single goddamned fuck about you, your people, or your problems. it's not me, it's you.
given the opportunity to continue a dialogue in a conducive environment you and your ilk decided to push against it. you won! we don't get Harris! Now, we get Trump! no more discussions, now it's full on genocide 24/7.
I don't have the luxury to pander to you, so do us all a favor and take the win you desperately needed and shut up.
I just can’t give a single goddamned fuck about you, your people, or your problems. it’s not me, it’s you.
Democrats' message to Muslims, family members of the undocumented, people who make minimum wage, and now trans people. Which will be the next group?
There is always another one.
A hated out group is a requirement for fascism.
Liberals.jpg on this dude.
The best part is all the other centrists in this thread who are acting like this guy isn't saying the only part out loud.
Maybe the Democrats should have replaced the guy with a broken brain when they realized it instead of lying for years and only making the switch when it was undeniable.
The Harris campaign was such hot garbage that they lost by more of a margin than all 3rd party votes, but yeah keep blaming voters instead of learning anything.
Continue a dialogue? Gaza protestors were called Russian Agents, fired from their jobs, expelled from school on the eve of graduation, and arrested.
That's not a fucking dialogue.
where? show me proof of this actually happening.
I doubt you can find a shred of it anywhere because it's absolute bullshit.
edit: yeah didn't think you could. BECAUSE IT NEVER HAPPENED
edit: yeah didn't think you could. BECAUSE IT NEVER HAPPENED
I love how you edited your comment to add this. In caps even.
And there are two comments with tons of links because it was fucking common.
And you don't bother to even admit you're wrong. You're too wrapped up in this opinion being your identity that you can't admit you're wrong.
Liberals when faced with reality: "Russian asset! Hamas terrorists!"
It was 'full on genocide', as you put it, already.
That's the fucking problem.
Acquiescing to someone saying 'please don't wipe out my entire extended family' is not a luxury. It's the minimum required standard to not be a fucking Nazi.
This poem about Nazi Germany? It's about you.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak for me.
This is more a Weimar Germany situation, in which the Stalinists accusing the SPD of being 'social fascists' led to the strengthening of the right-wing and the eventual victory of the Nazi Party.
it's about me?
no, I don't think so son.
I wanted to help. I wanted to stop the massacre in Israel. I wanted to pressure the Harris administration to stop supporting Israel. because I knew it'd be impossible to pressure a Trump administration to do anything.
but because you all couldn't take your heads out of your assholes long enough to see it was raining, now we both get worse than nothing.
Now I can't focus on stopping any genocide but the one that's going to directly impact me.
as far as I care, all those people can burn and writhe in the streets, all because of your inability to look past your problems first and see a bigger picture.
congratulations, you win big boy!
The only people responsible for losing the election are Harris for running a dog shit campaign and her Democrat enablers who pretended Biden was still functioning for 3 years.
Quit crying and start directing the blame where it belongs.
scratched liberals amirite?
I wanted to help.
how'd that go?
You never even got started with this mythical "helping". Are you trying to help right now? Because you are not helping. Do you see a pattern here?
Now I can’t focus on stopping any genocide
You made it pretty clear that you were never going to focus on that. What exactly did you think locking every anti genocide voice out of the convention was about?
Are you trying to help right now? Because you are not helping.
No, I'm not. Because I was stabbed in the back while asking for your help.
how'd that go?
well, being stabbed sucks but I've learned.
Do you see a pattern here?
the pattern of abuse from you? yes, I have! that's why I'm not helping anymore. I wouldn't piss on your side if it was burning.
You wouldn't have in the first place. That's the fucking point.
That's a lot of writing to say 'I was always a Nazi.'
let me stop you right there. I don’t care.
right back at you pal. Go ahead and throw your temper tantrum, but know that come 2028 without a united party neither progressives or centrists (you) can win an election without the other. The dem brand in general has never been weaker because of logic like yours that enabled a genocide and hubris about voters needs that too many voters wouldnt stand for.. So buck the eff up, or take your own advice and:
shut up.
either way, start acting like you're in a coalition, because thats reality whether you like it or not.
right back at you pal. Go ahead and throw your temper tantrum, but know that come 2028
won't happen. you guys seriously don't fucking get it do you? I can't even imagine being so shortsighted that I can't even see what the fuck is happening in the next six weeks.
either way, start acting like you're in a coalition, because thats reality whether you like it or not.
I've always, ALWAYS, held firm that the US should be a protector of the disenfranchised or unprotected. after this election I realized I was wrong.
We don't have to do anything of the sort. My charity is empty. My sympathy is gone. At this point, I'm focused 100% on fixing America and American interests.
If people in some far off land have to die so that we can give LGBTQA+ people a place to feel safe so be it.
If non-Americans have to die to protect the interests that empower America so that my kids can grow up in prosperity I will vote to kill them every single time now.
Make no mistake, it's not out of a sense of national pride. it's not from a source of hatred or prejudice. I will protect my national interests because I have been given no other choice but to impose American authority because American ideals are being eroded and attacked by those who beg for help.
you're drowning in a sea of hatred, and I refuse to let you take me with you.
I don't hate you, I just don't care about you unless you're American or support American interests.
If people in some far off land have to die so that we can give LGBTQA+ people a place to feel safe so be it.
If non-Americans have to die to protect the interests that empower America so that my kids can grow up in prosperity I will vote to kill them every single time now.
Least chauvinist 'centrist' democrat. In another era you would be seig heiling.
Give him a few weeks and he'll be doing it in this era, and rationalizing it as the lesser evil.
This is literal Nazi speech.
I think the problem is that we teach that Nazi's are bad, but don't teach about their ideological positions.
Then we get people like you that hit the wall of cognitive dissonance when you hear your views are literally fascist. But fascists are bad. And you're good, right?
And then we have the mental breakdowns and tantrums that you're giving us. That's the cognitive dissonance.
Same with that comment you made daring people post links proving that people suffered major consequences for their protesting and you preemptively edited it to say that they couldn't.
Then they do, because it was a frequent and common occurrence and you don't respond because you can't admit, even to yourself, that they were right while their evidence is staring you in the face.
EDIT: fucking Nazi.
did you call me a Nazi?
You did say:
"If non-Americans have to die to protect the interests that empower America so that my kids can grow up in prosperity I will vote to kill them every single time now."
To which I respond "Well, if the jack-boot fits..."
If you don't want to be called a Nazi, you need to stop making fascist statements and this quote is LITERALLY fascist.
I didn't call you one.
I'm identifying you as one when you are explicitly saying you are one based upon your comments.
If you don't want people to correctly identify you as a Nazi, you need to learn what the Nazis believed and not believe those things.
In other words, you need to stop being a Nazi.
act like a Nazi, get called a Nazi I guess
If people in some far off land have to die so that we can give LGBTQA+ people a place to feel safe so be it.
Thanks for this wonderful summary of exactly what was wrong with many democrat supporters in this election campaign.
They don't have to die do they? That is the whole fucking point. How many LGBT+ people do you think would agree with this? "Yeah lots of kids died but it's worth it as long as I am protected."
If you don't care about Gaza it's fine. That's your business. But let's not pretend it's some trade for the benefit of a group of people you cannot possibly speak for.
If you don’t care about Gaza it’s fine. That’s your business. But let’s not pretend it’s some trade for the benefit of a group of people you cannot possibly speak for.
Particularly days after Biden signed anti-trans legislation.
they don't have to die. but that's not my problem anymore.
my problem now is a fascist dictatorship taking over my country because your movement couldn't see more than one step ahead.
so here we sit. me with my problem that wasn't a problem until you guys made it one, and you with your problem which I'm making not my problem anymore.
good luck doing jack shit about it without help now!
Anyone who defended Biden and Harris on this never made it their problem in the first place. They didn't care.
my problem now is a fascist dictatorship taking over my country because your movement couldn't see more than one step ahead.
Not my movement. I still advocated voting for Harris.
And it's actually because "your" movement thought you could convince enough people to hold their nose and vote for someone they didn't like but you were wrong.
It's great for you that you don't care about the genocide going on. I bet that's nice. It's not so great for you that your complete and utter inability to understand your countrymen led you into this disaster. Maybe listen to well intentioned critics next time?
I know it wasn't you personally but you see what I mean.
We e been surviving 24/7 genocide for years, welcome to the party white boy. You get some too, maybe now you'll finally help.
We e been surviving 24/7 genocide for years, welcome to the party white boy. You get some too, maybe now you’ll finally help.
I love the part where I predicted that the talking point of the day would change to “It’s Good, Actually, that LGBT folk and POC are going to get genocided in America”
You're just getting what you voted for others to experience. You should be happy.
You’re just getting what you voted for others to experience. You should be happy.
It's hilarious that I called it, in a depressing sort of way.
Id rather you never voted for genocide, but you did, so you don't get to complain that it's happening to you as well.
You didn't need to call it, we explicitly stated it would happen, genocide is genocide, it doesn't stop until the genocidiers are gone, it doesn't limit itself to one group. You had so many chances to save yourself from the cycle. So many chances to speak out. Guess what, now no one's left to speak out for you. You voted to get rid of the untermench.
I love how triggered you guys get when someone says they don't care about you or your problems.
I don't give a shit about you, your people, and if you live or die. welcome to that party brown boy.
if you can't even acknowledge the shortsightedness of your plan to force America into a fascist state then you quite frankly don't deserve any more of my time.
IF I get to vote again, I'll be voting for more "genocide" and it's only to spite you and your pettiness.
edit: thank you everyone who's participated in this routine filtering! you've all been blocked so I will never have to hear the absurd opinions from you. you've been a great audience and I look forward to blocking your future accounts as well!
Yep, and why are you different from the fascists you claim to hate?
This is why we don't care you're finally getting the consequences of your actions.
Yep, and why are you different from the fascists you claim to hate?
different because you took advantage of my kindness. you don't get kindness anymore. you get nothing.
This is why we don't care you're finally getting the consequences of your actions.
you don't care that you betrayed the trust of your greatest ally? you don't care that you caused the problem that forced us to distance ourselves from the toxicity of your people?
great job. you stabbed us and want to bitch about us not wanting to help you anymore.
what kind of a sick son of a bitch does that?
With 'allies' like this who needs enemies!
your kindness? our greatest ally?
This is one of the most unhinged and not based in reality viewpoints that I have ever seen.
question, who was protesting out there with you?
better yet, who was trying to get a Harris win so that we could continue to push for reforms to stop the aid to Israel?
yes, kindness. yes, allies.
fuck off to whatever burnt out hole you crawled out of now though. You'll never get my support again.
stab me once, shame on you. stab me twice shame on me.
Okay, Nazi.
IF I get to vote again, I’ll be voting for more “genocide”
yes, we are well aware that thats the current state of the democratic party, and thats exactly why they lost.
