Jury convicts white Florida woman in fatal shooting of her Black neighbor during ongoing dispute
Jury convicts white Florida woman in fatal shooting of her Black neighbor during ongoing dispute
A Florida jury has convicted a white woman accused of manslaughter in the shooting death of her Black neighbor amid an ongoing feud over the neighbor’s children.
The confrontation was the latest in a dispute between the two neighbors over Owens’ children playing in a grassy area near both of their houses. Prosecutors said Owens had come to Lorincz’s home after her children complained that she had allegedly thrown roller skates and an umbrella at them amid a long-running annoyance at their boisterous play outside.
I can't even imagine how hateful you have to be to behave as this woman did.
I will admit that I find "boisterous play" annoying to have to hear. But I also recognize that children need to play and it's my problem, not theirs. So I grumble and make jokes about getting a cane to shake at them. I don't assault the children and then murder their mother, Jesus Christ.
Of course, I'm also not racist, and I'm sure that was a factor here.
79Fights with neighbors, property rights, people get incredibly heated about it all. And often the only simple solution is to build a fence.
If you have no fence, but do have a racist with a quick trigger finger, this is not as unlikely as it should be. Which also shows why the Castle Doctrine is absurd, because it didn't help her here but it should not help anyone in similar circumstances, yet it often does.
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I remember racists trying to defend this piece of shit.
61I don't think in any other democracy than USA, could there be any doubt that this was outright murder.
40Here's a really good rule of thumb: don't shoot someone that you feel threatened by until they break into your house. As long as they are outside--and not shooting at you through the door--you are not in imminent danger. This is a situation where you can readily call the cops and wait. If the neighbor had kicked the door in and come inside, then we'd be looking at a legitimate self-defense claim. But you will almost never get to claim self-defense if you're shooting through a closed exterior door in your home at someone outside of your home.
If you're going to carry for self-defense, the most important thing you can learn is de-escalation, so that you don't murder someone.
26Even if you are in imminent danger, maybe don’t shoot through a door to the outside? Responsible gun owners should be aware of the target and what’s beyond it. That’s really hard to do if there’s a door between you. She could have missed the person pounding the door and hit a kid or something.
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The ONLY ONLY LITERALLY ONLY way to have Prevented this was if the NEIGHBOR Shot the Woman FIRST! There's Literally NO OTHER WAY to have Prevented this! I'm also Pro Life!
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-82nd Amendment my ass.
-29A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right to shoot your neighbors shall not be infringed
How could they miss that critical protection?
44She had a gun, which is the right the 2nd amendment gives you.
It doesnt give you the right to kill other people because you feel like it.
30Exactly.
Even if the fact pattern were that the shooting was justified (and I don't know enough of the facts to comment on that), being convicted incorrectly for it wouldn't be related to the second amendment.
6militia in the second amendment is a duty like a firefighter. If you own a gun you're supposed to go help your neighbors when they need help. Its never been an "individual right"
Imo, there should be some kind of "good will" pledge people are forced to take every time they purchase a gun or ammo just so they are reminded the second amendment was 1700s communism.
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I think you mean fuck the 2nd amendment. Because it does more harm than good.
10The 2nd amendment says “a well regulated militia” and we do not have that. So maybe it’s fuck the politicians that keep our guns poorly regulated. That is what is doing more harm than good. The second amendment is designed to allow citizens to defend themselves from government tyranny not to have guns just for shits and giggles.
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