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11mo ago

The Pope is not a true catholic

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Here in Mexico we have a saying, "más católicos que el Papa" (more Catholic than the Pope), referring to people who are too zealous in their faith and keep judging others.
- Funnily we have the exact same thing in german, being ”päpstlicher als der Papst" (more papal than the pope)
  
  I suspect it is a thing in all Catholic cultures.
- We also have that saying in french. At least in Canada
- No need for that. Just become more magical than the pope.
- I say that to my Catholic mom who is not judgemental, but too ascetic. She thinks any feelings of pleasure could lead to sin; shies away from any topic of sex and even mere mention of contraceptives; and she has antiquated abstentionist view that alcohol leads to people doing bad stuff, even though from my own personal experience, people could get drunk and still be polite, but an already insecure or asshole person who is drunk will become an even bigger asshole (because alcohol removes inhibition not morality). I say to my mom that she would be the confirmed first female pope if she had not been married.
  
  Jesus turned water into wine for a party where they ran out of booze.
  
  Your mother is in a red flag, I will absolutely not do that

I know someone that said this to me about the pope, and I said basically the same thing: "he's literally the pope. That comment actually makes you the 'untrue' Catholic."
Did not go well. 10/10 would recommend.
- They say he's an apostate, and nothing you say will change their mind. What I recommend is not engaging in these discussions with close-minded people. No good will come of it.
  
  It's fun.
  
  you think they know the word apostate?
- I wonder if there's a term for people who protest the opinions of the pope?
  
  I believe they're called heretics. Papal infallibility and divine representative positioning within Catholicism means disbelief in the word of the pope would basically be a renunciation of the faith.
  They ain't called papists for nothin!

They probably mean he never molested anyone, like a true catholic

She could think he's the Antipope.
But there's a danger there if he collides with the Pope as it will cause a catastrophic explosion.
- As long as you contain it in a tube, you can create a warp bubble, though.
  
  Funny enough, the book Angels & Demons by Dan Brown, which is about the murder of a Catholic priest whom was involved in creating antimatter at CERN, has a direct reference to TNG.
  EDIT: In case you aren’t going to read this book or haven’t, the reference is an explanation of how the warp core on the Enterprise-D is powered by matter/antimatter reactions.
- catholistrophic even.
- that's why they are always kept in part; just in case they try to kiss.

This is my mom. Hardcore catholic who sent me to catholic school but turned Trumper in 2016. Still catholic, but she hates the pope now. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about, etc. She has Borderline Personality Disorder and it’s not worth arguing about. Plus, I got out of that shit when I turned 18 so I really shouldn’t care but for some reason it bothers me - indoctrinated me for years but now all of a sudden she doesn’t have to follow the rules. Fuck religion.
- Cognitive dissonance. I feel like, at a certain age, most religious people are just unable to change their minds. It is incredible that the leader of their own religion is trying to teach them something, and they are deluded into thinking their "interpretation" (which isn't theirs at all, but was force fed to them) is the correct one.
  It wasn't that long ago that the whole damn religious ceremony was performed in Latin. That way, no normal person had a chance of understanding what was going on. And they were entirely dependent on the priests and the pope's word. Back then, doubting the pope had consequences. Not that those were better times. It is just crazy to see how much this religion has changed.
- Like literal mom or is she like this?

An experts' expertise being criticized by a non-expert who thinks he knows best because he learned a little bit about that expert domain.
Pretty common stuff nowadays, especially in Social Media.
- It's an example of experts occasionally being experts at insane nonsense. None of this is knowledge at all.
  
  there is a lot to know about catholicism… it happened after all. it’s just as much nonsense as the law - it’s all made up scribbles and bullshit
  not a catholic, hate religion, but we gotta hate on the right things

I'm not surprised, I used to live with a super catholic guy who thought the same.
Me, raised Catholic, invited him to split with the Catholic church and become a Protestant each time he would rant.
He was much less amused by the suggestion than I was lmfao

Wild but there are quite a few out there who don't believe he is the real pope...
Sedevantists
A main scholar of such is Mel Gibson's dad.
- The literal definition of "not real Catholics"
  
  You don't believe in the same fiction as me!
- I assume there's always a group of them for all popes or am I incorrect? Mean not necessarily the same people but someone must not like whichever one is current enough to form a group in the past.
  Online these days it's like fishing in a barrel to find someone with your weird ideas so no digging needed there.

By definition you cannot be more Catholic than the Pope.
- The Pope is infallible when making a definitive statement on morals or faith.
  That's the doctrine.
  
  Glances at tree documenting schisms in christianity
  Uh huh. I'm sure they'll accept whatever he says.

when you like having a religious excuse for your hate so much that you denounce your religious leader just to keep it.
- Leader? The pope is not just a leader. He is the divine representator of (for) god on this earth. He is the appointed successor to saint Peter, the guy chosen by Jesus himself as be the "frontman" (what Dave Grohl is to the foo fighters for you heretics ;) ) of the apostles and the bearer of the keys of heaven.
  Or, at least, that's according to true catholics.
  Anyway, the pope is not just a leader.
  
  yeah; i just wanted to generalize my statement

Somebody needs to look at the true history of Christianity and accept that John had the hots for Jesus.
- Ooh, spicy

Their credibility is in tatters and their following at record low numbers in the EU. I think it’s no coincidence that they are thinking twice about some of the minorities they have spent history punching down on. A business decision.
- That, but you also have to give more credit to Pope Francis being more progressive. But he is stifled by court intrigues. There is persistent word going around that conservative clergies in the Vatican loath him and pondering to oust him if they could. Pope Francis also had a nasty spat with an infamously Trumpist archbishop whom the pope had excommunicated. And last year, another critic of Pope Francis had been [dismissed due to the pope's more open acceptance to lgbt](https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/11/us/pope-francis-joseph-strickland-texas/index. html).
  Yes, I know, there was that time when the pope said something stupid about the lgbt not long ago, but I reckon he is playing the balancing act to assuage the convervative Catholics. I am not defending the pope here, but what I am saying is that common folks have a fairy tale notion that a leader's authority is absolute but it never has nor ever will be. Politicking is alive and well even in the Vatican, and even in a dictatorship. Think about it, if you're the leader, you are just one person out of hundreds of thousands in a population who outnumber you. You have to appease as much as possible or you would lose your authority and legitimacy. That's how politics is.

Do you want an Anti-Pope?
Because this how get an Anti-Pope.
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipope_John_XXIII
  We had a couple already, but I suppose we can go for elevenses.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxxhAS16vB0
  
  Was hoping it would be to the tune of The Antipop by Primus

There's been a lot of Catholics who hated whoever was the Pope at the time. It's almost tradition at this point

The only way it could be any more obvious would be to substitute Scotsman for Catholic.
It is nice to see religious weirdos starting to come around to humane values though.
- To be as obvious as criticising the pope for not being a true catholic the "no true scotsman" would have to be said to William Wallace himself.

This post pretty much sums up social media.

See also: No True ~~Scotsman~~ Catholic

So much for infallibility I guess.

Do bears still shit in the woods?
- The gold tainted excrement I keep finding, and the fact that I'm also suddenly dead after a small mountain erupted next to me, says that they probably do.
  Anyway, I'm coming in while browsing ALL. What are we talking about?

Sounds like a Lutheran

The excuse I got was "evil will be allowed to rule on earth to test us"
An excuse EVERY TIME....

I would argue that it's possible to have a Pope who isn't a true Catholic. I mean, look at some of the Renaissance popes...

Isn't this the kind of shit that would get you defenestrated or something?
- That's more of a Russia thing.
- Burned at the stake, maybe? Or just excommunicated - which is the direction some of these lunatics are headed. Ostracized from society.

thanks for the 100% unnecessary permission from your make-believe "authority" vested in you by make-believe jeebus
also, no one gives a rat's ass what anyone considers a "true catholic" anymore. how about if they all just stop raping kids?

Everyone with a brain knows that God’s chosen representative on Earth is King Henry VIII.
- Who again?

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