what's with the anti-left sentiment on slrpnk?
what's with the anti-left sentiment on slrpnk?
Why is the solarpunk memes community on this instance filled with such massively anti-left folks?
That's what happens when people interact with a movement based on aesthetics and little else.
See also: Nazi Punks (Fuck Off)
41If I had to wager a guess, it likely more of a backlash against .ml and hexbear more than anything, which are unfortunately the main ambassadors of "leftist" ideology on the fediverse. These instances legitimately make leftists look bad, to the point where it actually feels like it has come all the way back around as self parody.
36Legit, hexbear feels like a goddamn 4chan psyop
20It is. A big tell is their vernacular. It's not leftists. It's someone else pretending to be.
Another one is their interests or hobbies. They do not talk about these topics the same way the people they pretend to be because they are not the people they pretend to be.
I've been chronically online enough to be able to get a sense of it. They often slip. Some times it's so obvious it's a kid who is trying to copy the more adept ones.
A lot of minority subreddits on reddit are so fake too. It's 21st century blackface minstrel shows. Easy to dupe casual users. If you're chronically online long enough you can tell.
ETA: This is conspiratorial as the people who get caught all the time forgetting to switch their alt accounts. Can't reply to the mod for some reason so I guess I'm done here.
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I'd argue Lemmygrad is worse than .ml
.ml has people on it that aren't into politics or that discuss other things, due to having been the largest instance when the Reddit api fiasco happened. Many people choose to stay there simply out of laziness or reasons other than ideology.
Lemmygrad and Hexbear are, on the other hand, explicitly political and have certain ideologies as themes which inherently create conflict/discourse with people of other ideologies.
On that note, is slrpnk open registration now? It wasn't when I joined Lemmy, .ml was the only one I could join at that time.
12On that note, is slrpnk open registration now? It wasn’t when I joined Lemmy, .ml was the only one I could join at that time.
As far as I know it is
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Good point!
4Hexbear is good and most of the negative things people have to say about it are completely made up
-13It's super rare to have a pleasant interaction with hexbear users. And I think thats something they are proud of. To me this just really sad, because how exactly are you spreading your propaganda effectively when everyone just thinks you are annoying?
Also on hexbear users of other instances or other instances as a whole get heavily misrepresented and there seems to be no good faith when interacting with other communities that are not closely aligned in their political stance. (Of course hexbear itself also suffers from lots of misrepresentation, which probably contributes a lot to their in group / out group thinking)
13Idk about completely. They'll just straight up slobber on Putin's knob and it simply doesn't make sense without the community being compromised by a troll farm somewhere.
Xi at least has some deniability to his fascism and a hope of Da Revolushion turning a corner at some point. Putin's literally just a fascist invading his neighbors out of rank imperialism.
6Hexbear has a high proportion of pro-authoritarians, which is a clearly visible trait.
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It's one of the more popular communities on the instance, and has a lot of subscribers from other instances, which brings with it a range of political opinions. As long as those opinions aren't breaking the instance rules, moderation of our communities is at the moderator's discretion.
33Solarpunk memes gets a lot of users from other instances, which can see populare posts. Lemmy as a whole is fairly small and pretty much all the post in that communtiy have gone viral to an extend. Many might not realize the community they are posting in is solarpunk. That being said lemmy as a whole is fairly left. Most comments are at worsed neoliberal, which is in our world unfortunatly centrists.
At the same time I just looked at your comments. When you argue the matter and not the person, you got nearly no downvotes. Calling people a child got you a ton of them. You litterally insulted the person you replied to and well when you act like an asshole, you get treated like one. When you started actually argueing your point in a calm manner, you neither got the downvotes nor the insulting replies. I loose my calm too, which sucks, but hey that is being human. Generally speaking when you argue in private insulting the other person is a really bad idea. The general reponse is "you too" and closing off to the arguement and they end up trying to beat you. That kind of pissing contest is just bad for your mental health too and well the other person might be right. I certainly have changed my mind on things.
28Your first paragraph is insightful.
Second, I don't agree with obviously. First of all I had no intention to even insult the other user, to me it was just pointing out that the person suggested they weren't renting yet, so the natural assumption is it's some teenager living with their parents. Hence the "are you a child"
But even if I did, the "you get nearly no downvotes arguing calmly" thing is extremely naive. We have the past decade of western culture war backlash to social justice that shows that rhetoric lives or dies by the dunk.
A good dunk will give the onlookers a giggle, a bit of dopamine and a good association. The point of an internet debate isn't to convince an opponent, it's to demonstrate how the opponent is a stupid idiot head so that onlookers don't feel inclined to agree with them free from the shame of a long drawn out internet holy war, with interaction boiled down to "agree" and "disagree" buttons.
This doesn't always work ofc, the audience has to be receptive first, and most people's political opinions are pre-determined, but there's some space in the middle up for grabs, whether calm or not if people are receptive, it will get upvotes, and if it's a nice charismatic dunk it will get even more upvotes.
All that it shows is what you've said in the first half of your comment - the audience is already pre-determined against critiques of the internal issues if the west.
Just examine that one comment I made where it's coated in pro-western boastful motivational positive language, it's a simple matter of which aesthetics appeal.
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The anti-left sentiment is coming primarily from outside slrpnk. Solarpunk memes is the most popular community on the instance, giving it broad reach, and lemmy is broadly liberal with a few leftist sanctuaries (the most extreme of which are defederated from the liberal instances).
The way I see it, we have a couple options. Either we can go the way of lemmy.ml or hexbear and heavily censor liberals, creating constant inter-instance drama and likely ending up defederated, or we can accept that our most popular communities will be full of liberals in the comments and treat them as a form of outreach.
I prefer the second option. For one, even though the comments are full of liberals, the posts themselves are overwhelmingly leftist, which means a lot of liberals are being exposed to leftist views. They will reject it most of the time - as most people do when confronted with views that conflict with their own - but sometimes something might stick, and that's a good thing. Also we have our smaller and more niche communities to hang out in if you want to avoid the liberals.
I would like to hear @poVoq@slrpnk.net chime in on this, as they will be the one to ultimately decide the direction of the instance.
17We as admins obviously have some red lines, but overall as @ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net has already commented in this thread it is up to the community moderators to steer the individual community's direction.
Overall I agree with the outreach notion, but I did notice an increase in relatively low effort liberal rage-bait "memes" being posted in our /c/memes community with predictable results in the comments (including right-wing trolling to fan the flames). I don't think those specific memes are particularly effective as outreach tools, so it would be probably beneficial to do a bit more early moderation on that part.
11The funny thing about Lemmy liberals is they'll agree with just about everything anti-capitalist until you actually call it anti-capitalism.
6Agreed, not censoring is the right call, I was just curious why that community specifically.
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5/10 of the posts of this week are explicitly leftist.
3 are about green politics.
The final 2 are about soil science and wasps.
I see very few right-wing posts there.
13Posts - sure. Comments? Not so much. https://slrpnk.net/post/12509233
6All the people whose usernames end in "@lemmy.world" or some other website came here from a different instance.
People from this instance tend leftist. From the mainstream Lemmy technocratic sphere? Not so much.
And if I recall correctly slrpnk.net defederated from some of the biggest leftist Lemmy instances because they were tankies, so a lot of Lemmy's most leftist users won't see or comment on posts here at all, further biasing the comments.
1Good point. Damn.
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Yup. I see neoliberal takes ALL THE TIME on that instance, especially likely to jump down your throat if you want to be intellectually honest about the true nature of the hyper-materialistic, corporatist Democrat establishment in the US.
10Probability because you can care about climate change and think solarpunk is cool regardless of your left/right status. It helps the course to not exclude people that don't agree with you on everything.
8Well I don't know about you, but I read the history of communism and found out that communism is bad.
Solar punk can't be utopian and communist, they're pretty exclusive to each other.
1Slrpnk and lemmy in general is just a bunch of yuppies.
-1👏Fucking exactly.
Using the right pronouns to describe the homeless family that they stepped over on their way to the ATM.
Lemmy.world users: “I’m all for equal rights except when it comes to poor people or people being blown to bits by the missiles that pay for my 401K.”
7I don't think you know what that word means.
3Homie I’m a dirtykid lol, was for a while at least. It’s street slang.
This site is pejoratively roleplay revolutionary suburb kids, discussions on here make me genuinely uncomfortable as an impoverished fellow that’s not from the yuppie demographic.
So I avoid here for the most part, besides talking technology.
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