Windows 10 only has a year of support: 12 months left to keep Copilot off your desktop or learn Linux
Windows 10 only has a year of support: 12 months left to keep Copilot off your desktop or learn Linux
On my Windows 11 machine I just uninstalled Copilot via the normal app uninstall process. Unless I'm misunderstanding, I don't think it's tied into the OS in any fundamental way. I assume most debloating scripts include the step anyway.
Kinda crap that it's installed by default though.
Enjoy it while you can. Recall is going to be a hard dependency of the new file explorer because of... reasons.
Gonna get to enjoy some reg edits on that machine then!
Edit: So I just looked at that machine that is set to take all new updates, and it doesn't look to be installed like it is for that guy in the video. However, it looks like this machine hasn't picked up 24H2 yet, which is strange as I thought it was meant to be worldwide now?
MS really can't make stuff easy.
This is false. Please do not spread misinformation.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/1g1jjfl/no_windows_recall_is_not_required_on_24h2/
From what I understand others more knowledgeable than I am have said that person tried some nonsense where he gutted files from the OS that may have included dependencies for explorer.exe so if what Microsuck says is still true you can disable the screenshot function of recall and whatever other privacy settings you want and you'll still be able to use your PC.
I really hope that's true because I honestly don't want to have to go to Linux and play IT guy constantly when I'm just trying to play a game or something after work. However much Microsuck sucks, windows almost always just works and the rare times I have an issue so many people use windows that I can easily find a fix.
I don't wanna touch grass! Don't make me! Lol
I didn't even bother. On the machines I have with Win 11 it's either not installed or functional but entirely optional. That whole recall feature never got implemented and honestly at this point I don't know if it'll ever be.
I uninstalled copilot after an update installed it, on win 10
Just installed an update to 10 2 days ago to find that it had installed Copilot and put an icon for it on my taskbar. Stuff like this is why 10 will be my last version of Windows.
Can't wait to see what industries that handle sensitive data will do when Recall becomes an integrated part of Windows 11. They might have no choice but to migrate to Linux.
They will pay for enterprise licenses and be able to disable and delete it.
Only us plebs get whipped.
The LSTC edition has a few more years in it... but I wouldn't do MASS in a GRAVE... ehr, I mean - fuck.
Look, just search for "MassGrave" on GitHub.
i just updated. https://www.startallback.com/ fixed most of my issues along with https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
shame we have to do it, but even with Linux I have to do a bunch of stuff to make it more usable though at least it wont spy on you by default
Copilot is not an issue, it's Recall that could send screenshots of all files and folders to Microsoft.
Even if they don't send data, it is a treasure trove for a hacker to get. Such a terrible idea MS came up with.
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Mushroom mushroom
Snake! Oh no, it's a snake!
I'd go with Bazzite, which is what SteamOS and Fedora Atomic Desktop would look like if they had a child.
I agree with all your points.
Honestly I downgraded to 10 earlier this year. Then the windows 11 update came out that boosts Ryzen performance, well my happy ass couldn't miss out on them gains. So back to 11 I went.
My PC is pretty much strictly used for gaming so more power is more power.
I immediately de-bloated once I was updated.
Good timing honestly. The only reason I kept a Windows machine around was for gaming. Now we have much better support across the board.
Keyloggers have been present since (at least) win 7. You're all way too late.
The invasion of Crappilot is so close!
I just had to use a Windows machine 10 minutes ago for the first time in 3 years. I hated it. I won't be doing that again until I have to.
Yeah because everyone knows once a company drops LTS the software becomes completely unusable!!!
Lack of security updates should be a concern to you, yes.
Can’t really move to Linux if I have to make software for Windows since the majority of people won’t move to Linux.
Go to press Windows + W and see what happens on Windows 11
Okay?.. like, I get the point. But you’re telling me Linux does literally nothing you don’t want out of the box? It’s like saying “Run sudo rm -rf / —no-preserve-root and see what happens on Linux.”
W10... Nothing.
W11, some bullshit popover sidebar thing that takes up actually (Literally? Factually?) 50% of my desktop that tells me about the NASDAQ, the weather, some "local" roadworks in the next city over (when my street has roadworks blocking some significant traffic lights in the literal capital of my country), some recommendations for games, a shopping ad, and some bullshit news headlines that I don't care about.
app support on linux aint half bad but definitely there is alot of professional apps missing
You guys do realize that you can remove copilot from Windows 11 with a simple regedit or group policy editor tweak, right? Takes like 10 seconds..
The amount of times that windows "features" come back after I disable them via GPO on Windows 10 Entrerprise tells me that this isn't true.
The irony that setting up Windows now requires more command line use than Linux in 2024.
If you're using Enterprise on a personal machine, you've messed something up. There are other ways beyond Group Policy in that environment that are probably causing what you're seeing. SCCM, Intune, Policies over the network vs local... that significantly raises the chances of something else stepping on your local Group Policies.
I've not had that problem on either of my Win 10 Pro machines when using Group Policy to disable things, over the last four years.
It's too easy for them to turn back on without me realizing it, and I'm not going to tolerate having to be that vigilant against something, my own computer, which has absolutely no reason to be hostile to me.
And you can't afford to fuck this one up. Microsoft Recall isn't just a virus, it's worse than just about any other virus. "Did you forget to double check Microsoft's bullshit on the wrong day lol enjoy your keylogger"
For now, until MS locks that downvlike they have with other things
Until they lobby to get laws changed, many companies have legal requirements regarding PII that mean serious fines if CoPilot or Recall ever turn on in their environment (and if they're caught of course).
Windows is not going to fuck this up and force this on, handing easy legal wins against them to the world. They will have the normal configuration options available that they always do for features with potential legal liability attached.
And you can skip most of the bullshit by setting up Windows using English UK instead of English USA (and then you can adjust your regional settings and keyboard however you prefer)
yah, i have linux on all my devices save one and ive found ways to get win11 to just work without the bullshit.
it just takes about as much effort to learn systemd syntax because everything became the systemd singularity.
Is copilot regionalised? I'm in NZ and have been running Windows 11 for a year or so, and have never seen copilot appear.
in 24h2 they made it worse its a dependency of explorer which breaks tabbing and stuff
Or.... don't use copilot.
You know damn well how ridiculous that sounds. And if this is the answer to removing Copilot, no thanks. Linux works perfectly fine for me and my gaming needs.
Sadly it is not about learning Linux but getting the software you use on a daily basis natively supported by the OS, that is why Linux is still not there for me yet.
What do you use on a daily basis that's not supported? I see this kind of comment all the time and nobody wants to tell me!
Its almost always tools and programs used in their professional life. The 365 suite, adobe suite, fusion 360, simulation programs, ...
Yes i know there are free or alternative options, but they are never as good or powerful as the full on suites that have existed since the dawn of time.
Ive been running linux ( dual boot with windows ) on my work laptop for 9 months at this point and i love it. But sometimes, i do have to boot windows for one of the professional suite programs.
Microsoft office suite? Adobe, most DAWs. PCVR.
There are alternatives for some of these things. IMO libreoffice is good, but buggy compared to the MS office suite.
I can tell you my issues, so far.
Logitech G13 left hand kb - no drivers, Steam VR library 20 some of 90 some games come up in steam, Microsoft intellipoint trackball, only left, right, and wheel work but cannot program the other 2 buttons, no BlueStacks - simple to use phone emulator.
Haven't gotten any further as if VR library is not available there is no point getting rid of windows, and I really want to get rid of windows. I just don't have the drive I used to, to fix, look up hints, tinker with my os and reinstall new ones. It has to just work. I have Kubuntu installed on a 4tb sata ssd, rtx 4070ti super, Ryzen 7 3800, 32gb ram. In the last month steam VR made some strides as setting up was as seamless as windows, but as I stated I am missing 2/3 of my VR library
Poor hdr support is one for games and shows.
I use Figma (a UX design tool). It has browser support but I prefer the native app experience, I’ve seen there are Linux versions on GitHub but I heard they have some compatibility or performance issues sometimes and I need it to be 100% reliable as it is for work. I also use some Adobe products sporadically (Illustrator and Photoshop) FOSS software doesn’t make the cut for professional use, even if they do nearly the same, since you need standard industry tools.
I also like gaming and even though Linux is almost there (I love my Steam Deck) I see so many people struggling here and there and I really don’t feel like tinkering, I already tinker enough on Windows to get my games working properly.
But all in all I’m still interested in Linux and keeping an eye on it and might pull the trigger some day even if is only for personal use/tinkering :)
My biggest hangup is Fusion360. Supposedly someone figured out how to get it working but It's not officially supported and I haven't had time to test it.
Apart from the many compatibility issues with all kinds of random games that can usually be fixed within an hour (but still cost me too much time), the biggest one is specific stuff like playing Assetto Corsa with mods in VR using a Logitech wheel. It's already a pretty hefty stack of things to keep working on Windows, but on Linux I cannot even get AC to start so I have no idea whether the rest will work.
I'm already fighting computers all day. When I get home tired the last thing I want to do is to fight the computer even more. I just want a game to start without issue. Even on my Steam deck I have regular hard crashes of the system in multiple games, and my PC is probably less supported due to the more random set of packages installed
Yeah, there is a whole load of Steam games that will only play on Windows systems. I'm looking forward to testing the new implementation of WINE and see if it measures up. If so, I may be dumping Windows 10 for a Linux flavor. Though I don't know if I can get the Windows XBox app to work on WINE. So that's a consideration.
I switched to Nobara a few weeks ago and gaming isn't really an issue. I still have to get Cyberpunk running when heavily modded tho. The Xbox Cloud Gaming app is available through an Electron PWA using Lutris: https://lutris.net/games/xbox-cloud-gaming/