8mo ago

Flying Squid bans Luigi Mangione support

The original post by @spujb@lemmy.cafe was a woman wearing a shirt that says "Italians do it better". Someone asked what they do, and drag explained the joke as best as drag understood the intention, though drag disagrees that Luigi killed that CEO. It's not a call for violence, it's an explanation of a joke. Other people interpreted the joke the same way.

Less than an hour later, Flying Squid banned drag for that explanation, and for saying Luigi is not guilty. According to Flying Squid, referencing the CEO shooter case and saying Luigi didn't do it is a call for violence. Expressing support for Luigi Mangione is a bannable offense on LemmyShitpost.

EDIT: The Picard Maneuver responded to drag's appeal and reversed the ban. Drag will be deleting this post as it is no longer relevant to the current state of affairs on Lemmy Shitpost.

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Joking or alluding to it is seemingly fine. Just don't straight up say "kill billionaires" like Drag, I guess. Because plenty of others, including myself, have been making jokes with the same sentiment and we're not banned nor have had our comments removed.
With the way Drag usually talks in 3rd person, I kinda feel like it's just an excuse to ban the dude because someone finds him annoying. This is also the first time I am seeing FlyingSquid being called out for banning someone, and it actually isn't just someone who said some bigoted shit and got mad at facing consequences.
- Yeah, the ban reason looks like it was more of a final straw thing than specifically about that one comment.
  I don't mind drag much, as long as I remember not to engage about some things. But they stir shit often enough I can imagine a mod just hitting a limit.
  Fwiw though, eat the fucking rich doesn't work as well when they're running away, so you kinda gotta bring them down first ;)
  
  Oh, well we have had some conflict in the past. You see, his daughter wants to use she/they pronouns, but he won't let her. If anyone refers to her with a 'they' or 'them' pronoun, he gets really mad at them. That's what drag did, and he was furious.
- Kind of off topic, but he wasn't a billionaire. Not saying he was poor, he still has so much money that most of us will never see, but imagine that Elonia has 7,000 times more than him and still hangs out around trump to get even more.
  The wealth inequality is crazy high right now.
- They are pretty annoying, to be fair, I can't blame Squid for having enough.
- Drag was answering a question. If you put the question and the answer together, you get "Italians kill billionaires better". Drag's reply wasn't a full sentence. It was a statement, not an imperative.
- Hey there. What's with that "dude" and "him" in your comment? My rider's a dragon rider, not a dude.
  
  Everyone is a dude. Dude is gender and species neutral.
  Him is because I forgot Drag's preferred pronouns. 😔
You were banned for saying "Kill billionaires".
Not for saying "Luigi Mangione isn't guilty tho".
Even if you didn't mean it as an invitation or incitement to homicide and merely as an answer, completion, or riff to the previous statement, on its own it can be interpreted that way.
I'm rooting for Luigi too, I don't feel sorry about the death of the UnitedHealthcare CEO, and I do think billionaires shouldn't get comfortable with profiting from our suffering. But the mods reserve the right to remove stuff they feel could get them in trouble, chances are someone did interpret it this way and made a report (wasn't me I swear). There may be certain contexts, communities, instances, where this is allowed but you will have to determine that or ask.
- One would have to be a moron to take that as an imperative rather than as an answer to the question. That's bad moderation.
I think you're being a little bit facetious; surely you can see that while yes, you technically answered the question, you didn't phrase it in the form of an explanation. I'm not pearl-clutching and accusing you of condoning the murder, but that response was pretty obviously toeing the line at best.
- It wasn't obvious to drag. Maybe that's because drag has autism, and needs to expend conscious effort to think of ways drag can be misinterpreted. Drag would edit it for clarity if drag could, but bans prevent editing comments.
  
  Dragon Fucker is playing the victim after making up shit about other people? No way.
You were banned for being a pain in the ass and constantly accusing users of being transphobic, just like the other places you’ve been banned
Are you sure you’re not dronerights?
Squid called me a facial analysis expert because i said i didn't think Luigi looked like the suspect photos lol
- So it's a pattern of Squid getting on the case of people who think Luigi didn't do it?
Squid participates in mod abuse, but you're clearly arguing in bad faith.
While I'm personally inclined to agree with drag that that was quite clearly answering a question and not an imperative, I also don't think that it should be frowned on to protect the instance one moderates from potentially being taken down.
Lemmy is still (relatively) small enough that it can fly under the radar, but that's not going to last forever.
- Well, maybe someone who reads the context on comments could take over protecting the instance and give Squid a break. He mods so many communities, it's clear he's overworked.
Good that so, I am surprised how many mods just straight up ignore or support glorification of violence, respect to him for enforcing the rules consistently even if it's an unpopular decision
Power mods gonna power trip ...
PTB.
If ending a joke is promoting violence, where are the bans of the people defending Harris, Biden or the Democrat party, for promoting a violent genoocide ?
- And where are the bans for the people saying Luigi should be locked up? Imprisonment is a violent act.
So you were explaining the joke, sure. But then added your opinion that the pertubator didn't do it and wasn't guilty of committing that crime?
That's borderline a call for violence which is against the rules of that community. Sorry but YDI and you should do better.
- well he's innocent until proven guilty and he hasn't been proven guilty yet, has he?
  
  Well you got a point there.
- That's right, Luigi didn't do it. The feds are telling us the CEO Shooter was a master planner who timed the kill perfectly and used a 3D printed disposable gun. But now they're saying they found Luigi in the next state over WITH the disposable gun. It doesn't make any sense. The government is lying to us. And that's not a call for violence.
  
  So you are a detective and a judge now? Cool cool.
  
  It doesn't make any sense. The government is lying to us.
  This is reasonable.
  Luigi didn't do it.
  This is non-sequitur. He's spoken only very briefly since he's been arrested. But, that should be enough to know that he did that shit.
  The two alternative possibilities that stick out to me are: He couldn't follow through with a planned suicide; He intended to be caught.
  
  Did you forget cars exist?
Who's big as titties are those though?
- Bruh
That's not even close to the worst shit that mod does. For example, they'll personally attack you then call in a mod to ban you for personal attacks.
But, they're never sanctioned. It's good that you've created documentation. But, nothing will happen until he picks on the wrong person.
He's also easy to dox.

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