When people make a big stink about Apple not implementing RCS I always bring this up. RCS has an open core sure - but it’s lacking plenty of features that people refer to when talking about RCS. Furthermore, the gateways used for Google’s RCS implementation are made by a company Google acquired. Would we be happy with Apple charging cell providers money to install iMessage gateways at whatever cost they wanted, because they hold the patents? No, so why would we give Google a pass?
If we want to fix this issue, force Google to relinquish their control of RCS and open the standard unencumbered with patents. Require telecoms to implement the standard in full and without deviation or be fined. Give phone manufacturers a few more years to comply and then it’s done.
122Didn't we already have this for a breid shining moment with XMPP before Google and others broke it?
62It’s not broken though. They broke their own forks of it.
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47my whole experience with matrix is deeply disappointing. devices getting out of sync, not being able to decrypt messages, missing notifications and that fucking mark as read not working are daily problems
dig deeper and you’ll find the causes of the problems, which are disturbing. e.g. a json string is hashed (however 2 equal json objects can be the same while their strings are very different)
the only reason I still use it is a room I want to be part of
5How it's pretty good if it's in a pre-alpha stage? The reviews tell otherwise.
2Matrix would be fantastic. Phone number accounts hosted on the carrier's instance, and can federate with other instances.
Something like (for an American phone number): @0014204206969:matrix.att.com and have each carrier share which phone numbers are assigned to which carrier in some common protocol so all you would need is a phone number.
1I sure hope it (matrix) doesn’t go full Skynet on us
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Would be goated if everyone just switched to the Signal protocol and interop was mandated, but that'll never happen unfortunately.
17Isnt signal protocol just encrypting? It doesent deliver messages
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I'm OOTL with this. Anakin, what are you talking about?
17Spell check was invented in 1971.
15Meme is missing an s, literally unreadable
8Spell check existed way before 1971.
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12When people make a big stink about Apple not implementing RCS I always bring this up. RCS has an open core sure - but it’s lacking plenty of features that people refer to when talking about RCS. Furthermore, the gateways used for Google’s RCS implementation are made by a company Google acquired. Would we be happy with Apple charging cell providers money to install iMessage gateways at whatever cost they wanted, because they hold the patents? No, so why would we give Google a pass?
If we want to fix this issue, force Google to relinquish their control of RCS and open the standard unencumbered with patents. Require telecoms to implement the standard in full and without deviation or be fined. Give phone manufacturers a few more years to comply and then it’s done.
10We can also go the other way around. Force Apple to make iMessage an open standard.
12That’s true, but there would be additional challenges. Outside of the US, Android dominates the markets to the tune of +80%. In order for such an effort to have teeth, there has to be incentive for them to comply. They could pull iOS out of the EU market and remove iMessage from macOS if it came down to it. They are already such a small percentage they might just eat the loss as the cost of protecting their walled garden. Unlikely, but a possibility nonetheless.
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Seriously. Hold them all accountable. Don't be pro-google/anti-apple because you happened to give some money to one of them. Scrutinize both at all times.
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RCS will be closed?
10there's the part that google added on top, which isn't open.
And then there's rcs itself, which isn't open either. You need to get a license from the gsma
6I believe this is the specification: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8591
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Google tries to make many messaging standards and programs
All fail because of mismanagement
This is supposed to be Apple's problem?
9Google didn't create RCS. The idea was floated in 2008 and in 2009 the GSM association (Non-profit, representing 700+ mobile carriers across the world) began directing the project. Since then 47 mobile network operators, 11 equipment manufacturers, and 2 operating system companies (Google & Microsoft) have pledged their support for RCS.
In fact, Google only started implementing RCS in 2019 whereas Samsung has been releasing phones since 2012 with RCS. Now RCS is actively used by over 88 operators in 59 countries with almost 400,000,000 daily users.
tl;dr - Apple not using RCS is Apple's problem when the rest of the world does.
24It’s not about Apple or Google. There just needs to be a common standard.
13It's not Android users who are getting ugly green text boxes on their phones.
7Apple could open up iMessage.
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I'm not really into these types of apps but I think
is close to what you're looking for.
8Ah yes, Failed to load image, my favorite messaging protocol
29Boost still uses reddit formatting i think https://matrix.org
7Thanks for the laugh my sweet little internet hero of the day!
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Google always
2what's that font?
1Pixel mplus 12
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-1La asta chiar nu m-am gândit
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