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I mean, it's not

It's piracy, a different crime

A crime I love committing babyyyyyyyyyy

We here at Futurama do not condone the cool crime of burglary.
Yeah, when you steal something from someone then he does not have it anymore. With indefinitely replicable virtual goods that is not the case.
- They have to recoup and make roi on their r&d

If I steal your bicycle
you have to take the bus,
but if I just copy it
there's one for each of us!

im a bicycle store owner and this is so true
- I like to think this implies that people are coming into your store and cloning the bicycles
And if I do neither, I have to take the bus
- So it's all yet another conspiracy by big bus
But the creator can't afford a bike now that you copied instead of buying. So kinda bad analogy.
I pirate because it's more convenience than having 10+ separate streaming apps, but I also don't pretend that the monetary losses from piracy don't trickle down.
I just don't care. Offer me a good service please, and I'll pay.
- You can support creative people directly. Acting like the money paid to Netflix is trickling down to them is laughable.

If I steal food from the store, I'm both robbing the store, and a community that would have paid good money for that food.

If I go to the store and magically have the items on the shelves be duplicated into my cart, and I don't have to pay for them. That is not a crime that is a miracle

Consider this. (big chain) Stores already steal from the community via profits they make.
- And while we’re on about food, look at how much the grocery stores toss out.
- Two wrongs don't make a right. Theft is theft.
Exactly true, and as applied to patents: if I steal your fish you go hungry, if I watch how you fish and do the same we both eat.
bruh

"Property is theft!" ~ EA

'I wonder who this ship belongs to anyway,' said Arthur.
'Me,' said Zaphod.
'No. Who it really belongs to.'
'Really me,' insisted Zaphod. 'Look, property is theft, right? Therefore theft is property. Therefore this ship is mine, okay?'
- Just a few days ago I was re-reading the Restaurant at the end of the universe, and was going to try and look up this quote before reading the comments. I've really got to get around to reading the rest of the books by Douglas Adams, as I loved his hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy series.
- The thing I love about zephod is that he was basically the "it was me. I did it like this." Meme before the Heavy is Dead video came out.
- Your ship is cool and all, but I’ve trained Cruise Missiles V, so fuck your ship :D
"Fuck EA" ~ Me
If I were asked to answer the following question: What is slavery? and I should answer in one word, It is murder!, my meaning would be understood at once. No extended argument would be required to show that the power to remove a man's mind, will, and personality, is the power of life and death, and that it makes a man a slave. It is murder. Why, then, to this other question: What is property? may I not likewise answer, It is robbery!, without the certainty of being misunderstood; the second proposition being no other than a transformation of the first?
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, What Is Property?

Also if buying isn't owning than wtf did I buy. In any other time period this corporate shit would be considered a scam.

Also if buying isn't owning than wtf did I buy.
"Access." It is such a scam.
You didn't buy anything, we rent now...
Landlords everywhere, even on the internet... It's disgusting. They get to own, we get to borrow...
So to OP, it's still stealing as they own everything, we just rent. Fucking scam for sure :(
- Honestly, land should be considered a utility
- At the risk of sounding like a landlord here, there are far wealthier people to be disgusted by.
"YoU BoUgHt a lIcEnSe tO UsE ThE PrOdUcT"
Funny how the word license never comes up until you read the fine print. Colloquially you're buying the product. If we're going by legal technicalities then legally I ain't stealing shit.
You bought the right to give them money! :D
You are renting the software forever, until it's no longer supported (I'm looking at you Nintendo)
The same thing as when you buy a movie ticket.
If you "buy" a massage you don't then own a massage. Lol. Doesn't matter what time period.
- Services like massages are paying directly for someone's active labor, buying a book, a song, or an (offline) game is one a time transaction for an already completed work

It's the theft of profit they don't like, they don't care if you watch it, just that you give them money for the opportunity to watch.

No, they still don't like it when I buy a copy of a video game and then pirate it as well
- yup. anti-piracy is about control, not profits. this is trivial to deduce from the simple fact that no one ever measures a drm solution's performance in total sales recovered, they only ever whine about hypothetical lost ones, which is the corporate equivalent of sideways for attention, long way for effect
I think you mean "extract value"
- I can't wait to see the split in the next decade or so between AI films from the giants and boutique offerings that feature all-human casts.
  In sure the former will be dazzling crap/profit machines, and the latter to be a slow death as people begin to come of age without any particular desire to watch real people when they can see the craziest shit created using AI. I wonder how long before the CGI will be so good that it will become impossible to tell the difference? I wonder how long before you can tailor the characters in a movie like you can tailor your own game avatars? How long before piracy isn't stealing IP but actually creating your own versions of movies that can riff of the original and even improve upon them, creating a subculture of film creators that are hunted and aggressively prosecuted by the major content creators?
  I'm a bit apprehensive about that world, but it's exciting to be on the cusp of such a potential reorganizing of the film world we know.

Taking a copy of an infinitely replicable resource is perfectly ethical.

In a world where people’s lives are sustained by a model that diminishes their income when copying instead of buying, you can’t exactly call it “perfectly ethical”.
You can make an argument that your copying isn’t preventing a sale and that probably works most of the time, but not all the time.
I think “it’s complicated” is a more true statement of the conundrum.
- The issue is that there exists some sort of digital Bourgeoisie, people that just make their money by owning digital data, while the digital proletariat, the artists and programmers, that creates the data aren't well financially compensated or might not even be employed at the company anymore.
  Pirates should be mindful who they are hurting, and that depends on the piece of work they are pirating, the time when they are doing it and many other circumstances. That decides if is ethical or not.
  Creators should be well compensated for their time and effort, so that they continue to create and if that is the case piracy doesn't matter.
Ummm, actually infinity is just a pure mathematical concept that does not exist in real life 🤓
- Sure infinity exists. You see it every time you go outside at night and look up.

If I were asked to answer the following question: What is slavery? and I should answer in one word, It is murder, my meaning would be understood at once. No extended argument would be required to show that the power to take from a man his thought, his will, his personality, is a power of life and death; and that to enslave a man is to kill him. Why, then, to this other question: What is property! may I not likewise answer, It is robbery, without the certainty of being misunderstood; the second proposition being no other than a transformation of the first? I undertake to discuss the vital principle of our government and our institutions, property: I am in my right. I may be mistaken in the conclusion which shall result from my investigations: I am in my right. I think best to place the last thought of my book first: still am I in my right. Such an author teaches that property is a civil right, born of occupation and sanctioned by law; another maintains that it is a natural right, originating in labor, — and both of these doctrines, totally opposed as they may seem, are encouraged and applauded. I contend that neither labor, nor occupation, nor law, can create property; that it is an effect without a cause: am I censurable? But murmurs arise! Property is robbery! That is the war-cry of ’93! That is the signal of revolutions!

Idk if it's just me but that image isn't showing.
- Because it’s webm and that shit can blow me.
- In case you or anyone else is curious, it's a reaction gif of Will Ferrell as Ron Burgundy from Anchorman saying, "I can't argue with any of those points."
- It's just a reaction gif (in webm format, which is probably why it's not showing for us)
- I see app user
Meh, piracy wouldn't equal stealing even if buying did mean owning. Piracy is duplicating without removing the original and doesn't take away any existing thing from the current owner. I count potential sells as a hypothetical thing that doesn't currently exist. Therefore, piracy is nothing even close to stealing.

Solid point, me hearty!

Arrrr!

It's not piracy it's reclamation

oh.... his got the point

It's called a hook, but yes it is pointy.

Yep, you can shove your "licence" up there, I bought it it's mine.

I've seen it ubder recent Rossmann's video

Rossman is goated as fuck.

Surprisingly astute point.

Terms of Service would like to speak with you.

ToC wielding guns we just wanna talk!

What is renting?

Can I get Bullshit answers for $1,000 Alex
Renting is what buying is for corporations today.

You aren’t stealing from the person you’re getting it from, you’re stealing from the person who created it

They can still have it too.
Not stealing, infringing on their copyright.
- At least in my country, that’s only if you distribute

By that token, if someone is punching you in the face repeatedly, don't defend yourself.

Artists have rights over their work, and no amount of whataboutisms will change that.

HOLY SHIT DUDE GOOD POINT GUESS WE SHOULD DELETE THE WHOLE FUCKING COMMUNITY
What exact rights though? A right to sell pixels or a right to burn a painting after someone bought it?
Unfortunately they sign over most of those rights to their preferred publisher.
There are always indie platforms they can publish to though

By a similar token, wage theft isn't a big deal because it's not like you're owning the person.

I don’t make money off of the things I pirate.
- No but you're stealing the labor of others who did make it.
This is a weird take to have.
- I have 0 problem with piracy but this sub claiming is as a morally superior thing to do really bugs me.
Fire is Hot
Not all Hot is Fire.
- Yes, there are different types of theft.
  Fire:piracy as Theft:heat in your analogy.
Or taking ownership of a rental car without permissions or any sort of exchange