2w ago

I totally missed the point when PeerTube got so good

When I tried it in the past, I kinda didn't take it seriously because everything was confined to its instance, but now, there's full-featured global search and proper federation everywhere? Wow, I thought I heard there were some technical obstacles making it very unlikely, but now it's just there and works great! I asked ChatGPT and it says this feature was added 5 years ago! Really? I'm not sure how I didn't notice this sooner. Was it really there for so long? With flairs showing original instance where video comes from and everything?

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I asked ChatGPT
Why do people bring this up every fucking time?
- Because they know it's not accurate and explicitly mention it so you know where this information comes from.
  
  Then why post it at all?
- People also say they googled, unfortunately
  
  Not the same thing.
  google allows for the possibility that the user was able to think critically about sources that a search returned
  chapGPT is drunk uncle confidently stating a thing they heard third hand from Janet in accounting and then taking him at his word
- "I used chatgpt"
- Honest answer? It's easy and it won't judge you for asking stupid questions.
  Edit - people are replying as if I said I do this. I'm sorry for the confusion. I don't. This is why I see other people do it. When it comes to the general population, most people don't care, they just want easy.
  
  Search engines and Wikipedia don't judge you for asking stupid questions either.
  
  No it'll just hallucinate shit that'll make you look dumb when you go and state it as fact.
- Because people are dumber than chatgpt.
  It also proves we don't have a 50/50 split in intelligence. We need to look at the mean, then we'll see most people are just plain fucking dumb
  
  Also, lazier. I'm more likely to stick with information from the first 1-3 search results I decided to click, while AI will parse and summarize dozens in fraction of time I spend reading just one.
- I asked Gemini, and my browser crashed, so, idk, man I guess it's knowledge too powerful for human minds to contain.
- I think it's because it causes all of Lemmy to have a collective ragegasm. It's kind of funny in a trollish way. I support OP in this endeavour.
  
  Even the small local AI niche hates ChatGPT, heh.
- This is the golden age of misinformation and you are bitching about citations?
- I asked ChatGPT and it says this feature was added 5 years ago! Really?
  How would you phrase this differently?
  
  "It looks like this feature was added 5 years ago."
  If asking for confirmation, just ask for confirmation.
  
  Apparently the feature was added 5 years ago.
- what do you mean? it's like being angry that people bring up I googled something
  
  Googling at least until fairly recently meant „I consulted an index of Internet”. It is a means to get to the bit of information.
  Asking ChatGPT is like asking a well-behaved parrot in the library and believing every word it says instead of reading the actual book the librarian would point you towards.
  
  google: I checked the listing of news sites to find information about a world event directly from professionals who double check their sources
  chatGPT: I asked my hairstylist their uninformed opinion on a world event based on overheard conversations
  I mean a moron could find the wrong information from google and your hairstylist could get lucky and be right, but odds are one source provides the opportunity for reliable results and the other is random and has a massive shit ton of downsides.
  
  Looking up a list of resources that you then evaluate yourself is very categorically different from getting an "answer" from a bot.
Wanted to say: No, according to Wikipedia global search launched in 2020.
But that actually was 5 years ago, damn.
- Getting older... There's a creaking in my bones... 2020 was 5 years ago...
  
  Don't listen to them 2020 was like last year. Also the 90s was ten years ago don't let anyone tell you different.
  
  My kid turns 17 next year. I can still feel him as a baby snuggling and sleeping on my chest, he was so tiny.
  Nothing drives home the march of time like seeing that.
  
  When I hit the mid-40s, I realized I was running into at least five things a day that turned me into the "man ages 50 years in five seconds" meme from the end of Saving Private Ryan.
- 2018 is 7 years ago is fact that haunts me everytime I come across any "7 years ago" YouTube video
I have to say I think Peertube itself is good, but the content still isn't there yet. Of course we all know that's because there isn't cash to be made on Peertube
- Counter point: I dont want to watch content that has a monetary incentive behind it.
  
  Why exactly do you think people create content for you to consume in the first place?
  
  Same, and it's weird to me that so many people now believe that they deserve to be paid for participating in their hobbies.
- Got me thinking about how YouTubers get money. According to a quick web search, YT pays $0.01 to $0.03 per view. So if you release 10 videos a month, you made $0.10 per viewer. But Patreon memberships are typically around $5.00 a month, equivalent to $0.50 per view in the same scenario. Of course Patreon will take a cut, but it is still a lot more money.
  So, if a lot of your viewers think your channel is good enough to donate to, ad money basically becomes an afterthought. In this case, the only advantage of YT over PT is discovery, i.e. the number of viewers likely to find your videos in the first place (but there's also more competition on YT, so...)
  
  So, if a lot of your viewers think your channel is good enough to donate to, ad money basically becomes an afterthought.
  I don't think this is realistic, most people will not open their wallets, especially since they can't just go around paying a monthly subscription to everyone they watch. Even if their Patreon earnings were higher, I doubt their YouTube earnings would be insignificant.
  Dead Meat starts at $1 per month not $5, they have 23,300 paid members. But their YouTube looks like it gets millions of views per month (you don't only get views on new videos like you suggested, but old videos can get lots of views too as you build up a back catalog). And this is a channel that I found by doing a Google search for most successful YouTube Patreons.
  Wow their YouTube has 2.97 billion views
  
  I think 1 cent per view is on the high end for YouTube
- Some instances have different ways of making money. TILVids for example shares money from donations with the creators. Theres also support buttons that help creators out. As well as ads on some instances as themes. Most are just nonprofits trying to do good in the world.
  Its not as popular for the same reason your on fediverse, the interface allows anyone without ads to see your videos. The insentive does not always need to be $$, it most cases, its community building.
- Also the iOS app is pure shit. Can’t even filter by language.
- That made me exhale. But using the age of the universe as lower bound is already giving chatgpt too much credit
Chatgpt is wrong BTW. But yeah its been there for a long time.
- Why the fuck do people ask ChatGPT for shit like this? ChatGPT doesn't know facts. It's a magic 8-ball with more words.
  
  Asking chatgpt can be super useful to get info. I just don't understand why people don't try to verify what it says before just re-posting like fact.
- https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/releases/tag/v2.3.0
  ChatGPT is correct? The irony of people confidently asserting that ChatGPT is wrong, while being wrong, seems to be lost on the crowd here. Kinda makes you understand why ChatGPT is often so confident even when wrong.
- Chatgpt is wrong BTW
  LOL at this point I just assume that anytime someone cites it. It's infuriating that people seem to think it knows dick about shit. Just mass disinformation, I guess.
I asked chat gpt
Lol
- I asked ChatGPT and it thinks OP made a humorous comment
- The spirit is there
- "I asked ChatGPT" and my post got 180 replies 🔥
  
  We used to post pictures of beans on Lemmy and get five hundred replies
  
  We need the slapping batman meme when Robin says "I asked ChatGPT"
I must be doing something wrong or using a shit instance cause I can't find one at all but everytime I go to peertube (and I"m not searching just locally) I see like 3 videos get posted a day, most of which are videos about Lies of P or car videos. LIke there's no content.
so...what am I doing wrong?
- Either poorly-federated instance, or you look in the wrong place? Here's a good one: https://peertube.wtf/videos/browse?live=false
  
  thank you! yeah I was using peertube.tv and thinking "this can't be it" other than that I tried Dalek Zone and got frustrated with finding anything on that. This is much better thanks.
- PeerTube is essentially a whitelist. If the instance admin has not enabled automated federation, you probably won't find much. That's why I recommend using a third party interface like GrayJay or Pipeline. Although unfortunately neither one supports signing in at this time, so you can't interact.
- Same. Can't find shit to watch. Can't figure out how to add any instances, either. The "add an instance" button appears to be missing in the app or I'm just retarded and doing it wrong.
You asked ChatGPT and thought it gave you a correct answer…? 🤣
For real though, Peertube is awesome now. Live streaming works a treat, so many plugins and add ons that make it great. Not to mention it now has its own app which is great.
- It did give the right answer...
  
  It did not, it was added 4 months ago, not 5 years ago:
  Add SepiaSearch URL as default search index.
  https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/releases/tag/v7.1.0
How are PeerTube instances funded? I'd imagine that the cost of running an instance is significantly higher than a Lemmy instance.
- Depends on the instance and activity levels. I run a very small one on my own, and it costs ~$10 each month for server rental and b2 storage.
  If I was running it on a broader scale, it would start to add up, but I mostly wanted to help with federation and reliability, and that’s fairly inexpensive.
- Itd be nice if there was a way for ppl to rent their own channels off an instance rather than a whole instance, since that instance gets expensive hosting it by yourself, built in way like a 1$ a month a channel could cover hosting costs maybe
  
  Depending on the size of your uploads, that could cost a whole lot more than $1.
- Depends entirely on the instance. Mine runs on the same server with a bunch of other stuff so virtually nothing.
GrayJay also supports adding PeerTube instances:
https://pluginhost.grayjay.app/peertube?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpeertube.futo.org
Not my experience, still hard to me to find good quality and interesting contents on it. A problem i don't have on pixelfed, so it's not about the lack of algorithm
- Yeah, it's not really all that deep in content yet.
  Looks promising though
Yeah I finally made an account and there is more than enough here to satisfy my mealtime watching needs. Still not a lot of content when compared to the mainstream platforms, but that reminds me of all the fediverse offerings a few years ago.
I feel like it's only a matter of time before there's enough on peertubes to keep me off the mainstreams almost entirely.
Take a look sometime at the top videos of !peertube@lemmy.world or https://piefed.social/f/fediversevideos to see some great videos! Creators all over the fediverse.
One of my favorite videos on fedi: https://videos.elenarossini.com/videos/watch/2909e4a0-6424-4a74-a936-d15812268a3c
I myself host a peertube instance and its pretty easy to use.
Any interesting video recommendations?
- I think some urbanism/public transit-related channels are in the PeerTube, like RMTransit for example.
  https://video.canadiancivil.com/c/transit/videos
  
  RMTransit will stop making videos though, he and NJB talked on the Urbanist Agenda podcast about it.
My experience hasn't been as smooth. The global search seems dependent on instances, some are better than others. And playback across instances is hit or miss.
With that said, usage entirely local to the instance is flawless and speedy, which is nice.
I don't even remember a time when PeerTube wasn't federated. For as long as I've been using it, that's been kind of the point.
Is peertube compatible with owncast. Like can you see owncast streams on peertube
- No.
Just wondering how can you earn money on peertube? There seems to be one channel dominating the site Transport Evolved.
- Not everything has to be about earning money.
  Early youtube was beautiful precisely because it was normal people making videos as a hobby, not trying to earn money.
  
  True, but in order to make it a healthy viable alternative to centralised platforms then there needs to be a financial incentive for creators to use peertube. I guess any creators who give a shit about this kind of thing could upload their content to both platforms, but doing so could have an impact on their YouTube earnings.
  Early youtube was beautiful precisely because it was normal people making videos as a hobby, not trying to earn money.
  It was also a novelty as it as very new, but the quality of content being put out now is significantly higher than it was in 2005.
- Most people have Patreon or Kofi or any other external donations system
- With sponsorships, like on YouTube?
  
  but after youtube has taken it's cut and share of the creators there isn't much left. This is the chicken and egg situation
- you can't really.... being federated and no ads kinda ruins that idea as it is hated by many
- There seems to be one channel dominating the site Transport Evolved.
  PeerTube is not a site. It's software. Much like lemmy. Different PeerTube instances will feature different channels.
  Just wondering how can you earn money on peertube?
  All the same ways you earn money on YouTube, minus AdSense. But obviously a lot of people aren't in it entirely for the money. I upload videos there just for fun.
I tried it about a year ago and instantly dismissed it, not one video that I found slightly interesting.
Even after reading this Im not going to try it again because it was just that bad.
I missed the part where that's my problem.

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