Anon saves up

That would have been the first thing I'd check ... seems standard practice.

Depends on the country you’re from, not an issue in Australia for example
- IKR!
  seems standard practice
  I was like where?? America?
  Every time I come on here I just fuckin love Australia more and more
Yeah. I mean… I kinda sympathize, but yeah. Vacation days disappearing if they go unused for a year is pretty common.
Does Anon think they were the first person to come up with the extended vacation plan? If no, then wouldn’t it make sense to find out why it wasn’t more widespread?
- Standard is for your workplace to force you to take a vacation if you build up to much. It should be illegal to remove your vacation.
- Vacation days disappearing if they go unused for a year is pretty common.
  What?? Where?
- I had to take three separate 4 week vacations one year since my company was switching to a max accrual so I had to get below the mx by years end.

Why would one need to save up vacation days to take a "full paycheck" off? That is one month, so 20 working days? 20 working days should be very common mount of available vacation days per year (at least in EU)?

The European mind cannot comprehend this.
Flexing on us with that parenthetical statement
20 working days should be very common mount of available vacation days per year (at least in EU)
Americans:
- I probably shouldn’t mention that 20 days is the legal minimum for full-time employment, and that 30 days is the typical amount most people receive. And there are extra days for getting promoted or working 10+ years...
- That's pretty shitty PTO policy you've worked under.
I'm on a three week break and that's like normal summer holiday for most of us in France. I'd even say on the small side because we can't really be away that much from our respective jobs. The main difference is what one can afford to do during those three weeks, for sure, but otherwise we are paid the same.
A full paycheck for an extended period contains many paychecks.
Oh I was assuming a 2 week pay period so 10 days and still not all that surprised that someone would get that. Someone working part time more than likely won't get get any vacation nor sick time at all in America.

They didn't notice getting paid out for all of their vacation days?

I'm guessing it was USA and they were just lost.
- They just get lost in the UK too, most places seem pretty good about making sure you take them though.
  At the first full time job I had in Oz there were a bunch of old dudes who had each accrued over a year in untaken annual leave. The company had to crack down on it and make them start taking it because it was a huge liability, both financially and as a risk to actually getting work done. They had to develop plans for them to take it a couple months at a time.
- If I got paid out for my vacations, I would not take my vacations ever. Probably a good thing they don’t pay them out.
- Yup. The only thing you can count on from your employer is what they have already given you. I don’t believe any promises.
Many places don't pay them out - use or lose.
- That's fucked up

Took you 4 years to decide to fucking read your contract?

Lol, it'd be nice if they gave you one to read, but that's generally not the case.
- I read mine. My boss sent it to me 2 days before I actually started working there, then he let me work there for a week before actually signing, with all benefits being contractually valid from the day I started, not from the day I signed.
  If you never saw your contract, get a lawyer.
- How do you sign it then?
- What do you sign when you start your job?
  Honestly never heard of no contract, what country is this?

In Brazil you have a month of paid vacation for each worked year and you can't work for more that 2 years without using your vacation time. HR would force you to take your vacation time even if you don't want.

as a heads up, if you can save enough money to take a sabbatical, you should. It was the greatest time of my fuckin' life.

I'd love to but all the logistics are overwhelming for me. What made your sabbatical so good? Was it easy to finance?
- Was it easy to finance?
  I mean... yes and no? I earned about £35k+ per annum between between 2013 ish and 2017 ish, and didn't spend much money on hobbies and such and being frugal. So I was saving money without trying that hard, and figured that about £16k was enough to take a year out to try to learn spanish and slightly change careers, if I spent about £1k a month.
  What made your sabbatical so good?
  The complete freedom, living on my own, being able to work on daily and long term goals. I lived in a town that was near london, so it was (kinda) cheaper, walkable, 1 h away from london so I could visit from time to time, and had a climbing center nearby.
  I took the time to get regular exercise, work on my mental health, learn spanish and just live at my own pace. I even travelled a little (I had a holiday I booked in 2017 for 2018 that I was going on anyway to visit LATAM, and Behold The Arctopus was playing live gigs again for the first time in 5 years, and obviously they were not coming to europe, so I went to NY for like 5ish days (3 days + 1 night + 1 morning). [EDIT : I also returned to my country of origin for a month to save money/drop off sentimental value things/visit family, and en route away from europe I visited Denmark to be with a friend for a week for the last time in ages]
  I’d love to but all the logistics are overwhelming for me.
  What logicistics are causing you issues? I stayed in the same place I was in while I was working, and all I had to do was quit my job. There's not much to do... oh. You must be from the US? Healthcare? Good luck with that shit.
Someone talked about how his company was willing to give someone a six month sabbatical to keep this other dude around but the guy didn't take it. I was like that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard, just take it and then leave when it's over or whatever. And the person telling me this explained how he wasn't like that and wouldn't take advantage of the company. It just felt really weird. I don't experience true jealousy often but this was one of the times I have. Companies have never treated me well like that. The idea that people would just act like a 6 month sabbatical is something normal is fucking insane. I even told him that's crazy and I heard of and he said no, it's something a lot of places do. It's such an insanely privileged take to talk about it so casually.
- Just to put it into perspective, the sabbatical isn't meant to be frequent and usually you're not meant to be paid, just have a job to go back to after. If it's available, it's somewhere where you're quite senior and been working there for a long time.
  For my sabbatical, I just straight up quit; I wasn't even playing to stay in the same country after it was over.

Know your contract. So many people get burned by what they thought they could do, or what they thought their employer couldn’t do, because they don’t know the rules of their employment. General rule of thumb: if it’s not spelled out in the contract that an employee can do a thing, the employee can’t do it. If it’s not spelled out somewhere that an employer can’t do it, you bet your ass they’re gonna try to do it.

Where dafuq it stacks? AFAIK in most of the world it is either paid out in the end of the year or is wasted and goes nowhere.

California doesn't allow "use it or lose it" vacation policies. Vacation rolls over up to a reasonable amount, which apparently isn't super well defined, but my employers have generally set a limit of 2x annual.
In Austria, vacation days expire two years after the end of the vacation year in which they were created. So you can save up vacation days, but not all of them for four years. You can do things like: go on only two weeks of vacation in year 1, then eight weeks in year 2.
- Are y'all getting 5 weeks of vacation a year? My American mind cannot comprehend this.
  I've been at my company for almost a decade and I think I'm a bit over 4 weeks of vacation, a good chunk of that is due to seniority.
Employed in the US, I can stack up to 240 hours. After that it's use it or lose it, so I just take a few hours off every week.
- hours
  the US labor rights are so bad they have to measure time off in hours 😭
- I can carry a max of four days to the next year, but the system doesn't track it so it's an "honor" system
  which basically means leverage to fire you over it if they even need a reason
Depends on the job. Some will let time carry over.... It's pretty rare to carry over for more than a year.... Anon is a dumbass.
Where dafuq it stacks?
Jobs for my state's state government, for example, You get an hour of time off for every so many hours worked and they accumulate and are retained indefinitely up to a cap.
In France, companies can choose if they stack or not, but you're usually forced to take them after a certain amount has accumulated.
United States Postal Service, 440 hours (55 days) max accumulation of annual, temporarily increased to 520 hours/65 days since the pandemic, and unlimited sick leave rollover. Accumulated at a rate of 13 annual days and 13 sick days per year once you’re a career employee, and 20/13 after 3 years.
In Czechia (not sure if by law) you can take half of your days off to thr next year. So, if you had 20 days off a year, you have to use 10 (HAVE to, they don't just fizzle out) you can stack 10 to the next year, so you can have up to 30 a year.
- We got the comment duplication bug in Lemmy, we officially made it!
Fairly certain it stacks in more western nations than it doesn't. I know a woman in Australia who fucked off for almost a full year after saving up time for a decade.
In Czechia (not sure if by law) you can take half of your days off to thr next year. So, if you had 20 days off a year, you have to use 10 (HAVE to, they don't just fizzle out) you can stack 10 to the next year, so you can have up to 30 a year.
In Czechia (not sure if by law) you can take half of your days off to thr next year. So, if you had 20 days off a year, you have to use 10 (HAVE to, they don't just fizzle out) you can stack 10 to the next year, so you can have up to 30 a year.
I worked at a place where I could carry over something like 2 extra weeks I think?
In Czechia (not sure if by law) you can take half of your days off to thr next year. So, if you had 20 days off a year, you have to use 10 (HAVE to, they don't just fizzle out) you can stack 10 to the next year, so you can have up to 30 a year.
In Czechia (not sure if by law) you can take half of your days off to thr next year. So, if you had 20 days off a year, you have to use 10 (HAVE to, they don't just fizzle out) you can stack 10 to the next year, so you can have up to 30 a year.

Not fuck life. Fuck your boss

Both. Both is good.
Not my preferred way of getting promotion
- But a time-honored one

This doesn't apply in Australia. It accumulates (as does sick leave and long service leave) and if you don't use it you will start to be asked to start taking it after a couple years.

Fake: Anon is employed

Gay: Anon gets fucked by his employer

Straight: Anon gets fucked by his employer (woman)

You're a dumbass if you save your vacation days without inquiring if they stack.

That’s something that isn’t even guaranteed by law in Germany. But it’s part of the contract very often (with restrictions like the company can make you take your vacation days and such). So yes, check first before you start „saving“.

Afaik by law vacation days never expire in Germany, except if the employer explicitly tells you they do. So yeah, check your contract. But if the contract doesn't mention it, and you did not get a written warning, your unused vacation days are usable forever.
- My contract explicitly states that they don’t expire. So I never had to check the law and just assumed it’s the other way round. 🙂
Even if it is part of your contract, I'd still suggest you talk with your boss about your plans beforehand. Just so both sides are in the same boat and your employer can also plan ahead, knowing that you'll be gone for two months next year. Otherwise they might not even allow you to take all your time at once.

Pretty sure they have to give you cash for them when they expire

That used to be true, but many companies moved to Personal Time Off(PTO) instead which doesn't have that requirement. Will vary by state and country, but I can confirm in Florida and Gerogia in the US that it's use it or lose it. No payout necessary, even if laid off.
They do not, unless you have an employment contract that says otherwise.
- Hell - here's how fucked up it is - my SO worked in clinic that wasn't open on holidays, but offered no holiday pay, so employees had to use the 10 or 14 vaca days they got to cover their 7 holidays, which they couldn't have worked if they wanted to. 'Ready, able, and willing' is how the law is worded, for salaried employees. But these things are meaningless relics of old times when labor had some power and wasn't just the fleshlight of the rich.
I actually disagree with this. Then employers can pay employees less and say "well then you should just not take time off". It'll make situations where people cannot afford to take their holidays. If anything, you should just have them automatically waiting in a stack at the end of the year.
- Rolling them over would be better, but most full time jobs do cash out your unused PTO onto the last paycheck of the financial year. Some jobs let you roll over a limited amount, and sometimes that amount increases each year.
- that's so american brained it's comical. no dude, in normal countries you can't deduce benefits from the wage. "i can pay you less than minimum wage because you get tips" doesn't happen outside of corporatistan
Idk what the criteria are, but I dont get paid for unused vacation. Idk if its a salary/hourly thing, paid/unpaid, or maybe state/country labor laws, but its not universal
- Pretty sure that's considered wage theft in all 50 states. But not surprised it happened to you, wage theft costs Americans more money than any other crime, literally billions of dollars annually. As far as I know there is no law enforcement proactively policing this stuff, anything that goes unreported goes uninvestgated and unprosecuted.
I believe my country (Canada) mandates this.
However, I've had employers that simply paid out your vacation pay on every paycheque, it was a pittance of like $30 if that....
So they never "accumulated" any vacation time for workers and couldn't give any fewer shits if you took your vacation or not. They would only give a shit if you took too much time off for vacation.
Beyond that, you're on your own.
I never took vacation.

This reminded me of another stupid person who don’t understand how work works.

If you work 6 hours, you get a 30 minute break. 5 minutes for every hour. This new hire who was on a work program as he was unemployed and didn’t study, thought that meant he had 5 minutes every hour and 30 minutes if he worked a 6 hour shift.

So for every hour he went out for a cig, gone for 5-10 minutes and sometimes 15-20. We had to go get him several times. After a few days he was handed a stern talking to, where he would argue for his understanding of the law. He called the boss a dumb bitch for not knowing how it worked. He never came in the following day.

Makes sense why he was unemployed

Dumb bass