Anon is feeling romantic

told men don't feel, don't love, don't care

Yes, that's what feminists mean when we speak of toxic masculinity. Societal enforcement of rigid gender roles are bad for women and men.

This is basic, foundational stuff in modern feminism.

So why is it the self-proclaimed feminists in here who are pushing back the hardest on anon’s claims?
You’d think they would embrace this as evidence that #NotAllMen are violent and sexist, yet they’re fighting me tooth and nail on it.
- MacNCheezus comes to in a pool of blood and straw.... shaking his head to regain focus, he stands up ready for another round.
  You. Will. Not. Defeat. Me. Straw. Man.
  I am the hero incels deserve

What is this Lemcel shit?

were on lemmy but it's 4chan posting, to be expected sadly
- I thought we post and discuss greentext to make fun of them, not to agree with them.
- No more time for sorrow. Efforts to not live in a cesspool are futile in an oligarchy. Let's shame some people who deserve it.
I am using Lemcel from now on when I see incel shit on this platform, thank you!

men don't universally conform to a stereotype

therefore they must all confirm to a different stereotype

also women bad

Replace “women bad” with “men bad” and you’ve just described feminism.
- Take your Incel garbage and get the fuck out
- "why can't I get a date" the Lemmy account
- That's a small group of people. Not feminism as a whole. Feminism in general aims at overcoming the patriarchy and therefore creating true equality between the genders. Overcoming the patriarchy also means, that men are liberated from its chains. This means, that men are allowed to cry and show feelings without being judged.
  Feminism is not something, that aims at dragging men down, but eleveting society as a whole.
- That isn't feminism.
  And I should know, I am a feminist and I don't hate myself.
  That false stereotype is equally as dumb as saying men don't have emotions.

Have YOU written any songs or sonnets?

Have YOU made any sculptures?

Have YOU created poetry or plays?

Yes to sculptures and poetry. It didn’t get me laid with new people though.
Any generalization of this kind, positive or negative, struggles to capture individuality.
It's stupid to argue "men are deeply emotional as a group, because some poet was male"
It's equally stupid to argue "men are dangerous as a group, because some rapist was male"
Men, and women, are all different, and there is so much more variability within each gender than between them.
- Sort of hard to reconcile how similar humans are to each other while exclaiming we are all snowflakes too.
- Yeah, I understand that gender goes beyond this pink and blue "men are like this, women are like this" bullshit.
Yep. And no one cared. Why any of the many women who asked me out, I've no clue. I can tame hummingbirds, crows, and coyotes accidentally. No one cares.
In 1989 I translated Sweet Child of Mine into French for my girlfriend. Poetry! So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
Does a fanfic count?
- at this point...
I've never met a woman who was worth all that effort.
- Sounds like a "no" to me.
  Stop trying to take credit for the accomplishments of other men and try making some art yourself. I promise you won't regret it.
- If you grow up you'll realize your hatred is self hatred and your problems are due to your lack of confidence.
  You are really broken, and you'll be alone until you fix yourself.
  You're right that no woman deserves you, but not for the reasons you think
- username checks out

So very close to identifying the patriarchy and that men are victims of it too, and then wild miss at the end. sigh so, so close.

I could tell from mthe outset that this was going to be sexist, probably the fact it took the stance of "men do x" over "men also do x", but I didn't anticipate the final line being outright misogyny.
There is less pre-modern art by women because women were either censored or indoctrinated into roles where they couldn't create, which is the primary sin of the patriarchy.
There is a myth of men knowing love because the myth of the powerful, rational man doesn't accommodate for this, and what perpetuates that myth? That's right, the patriarchy again.
It's heartbreaking to see someone see through the patriarchal myth of masculinity and arrive at the conclusion that men are objectively better at creation and love than women

I think a few people here have to remind themselves:

If you find yourself getting angry (or god forbid, agreeing) with something Anon has said, you might be doing it wrong.

Okay but sometimes Anon is actually right. Which is kinda crazy, but a broken clock can be correct twice a day. Not all Anon says is true, but you get my point.
- Maybe at times, but holy shit not this Anon!

He was so close…

So close and yet so far...

Anon is still an incel :O

Well. Not all men wrote a legendary love song.

#YES ALL MEN
How many women have written a legendary love song?
- Dido, Thank you.
- Someone quoted Sappho earlier, love poetry written by a woman that has lasted 2500 years, and you shat on that.
  There’s plenty of work written by women using male pseudonyms because women were forbidden to write.
  There’s a lot of other writing by women that was simply suppressed for the same reason.
- ahem Call Me Maybe?
- I submit, for your consideration, 'I will always love you' by Dolly Parton, as one example; the many works of Emily Dickinson; and probably a non-zero number of works attributed to men (Such as the Brönte Sisters) since women have not been socially allowed to benefit from the arts until reletively recently.
  Edit: see below comment, updated with Dolly.
- Also, Beyoncé Taylor Swift Joan Baez Stevie Nicks Joni Mitchell Carole King Dolly Parton
  I could list more but it seems clear from your comments you don’t actually want an answer to the question.
- Hayley Williams (Frontwoman of Paramore)
- Imo, Bad Romance is pretty fuckin legendary.
- Tswift?

Anon, tell me you've never read Sappho without saying "I never read Sappho":

        Some say an army of horsemen,
    some of footsoldiers, some of ships,
    is the fairest thing on the black earth,
    but I say it is what one loves.

    It’s very easy to make this clear
    to everyone, for Helen,
    by far surpassing mortals in beauty,
    left the best of all husbands
 
    and sailed to Troy,
    mindful of neither her child
    nor her dear parents, but
    with one glimpse she was seduced by
 
    Aphrodite. For easily bent...
    and nimbly...[missing text]...
    has reminded me now
    of Anactoria who is not here;
 
    I would much prefer to see the lovely
    way she walks and the radiant glance of her face
    than the war-chariots of the Lydians or
    their footsoldiers in arms.

Of course they haven't read Sappho, they only read Shaprio of some Ben.
Aww, what a lovely thing to write about your best friend!
/s
- I remember a comm about this.
That doesn’t even rhyme. Garbage.
- This was a funny joke until I realized it wasnt a joke
- In case you are not joking:
  This was translated from Ancient Greek. Of course it won't rhyme; Ancient Greek poetry is based on foot and pitch, not rhymes. And even if it used rhymes the translation would butcher them.
  Calling it garbage because it doesn't rhyme is like looking at a translation of Shakespeare into Japanese, and saying it's garbage because Shakespeare was a functional illiterate that couldn't count morae.
  Regardless, the poem already shows a woman talking about romantic love around 600 BCE. It's already enough to tear apart what Anon is saying. Insert mentions of patriarchy here.
  If you're joking: derp.

Fake: Anon almost manages to question whether there's a problem with predatory culture, but fails at it.

Gay: literally the post, anon worships men

Real answer, up until the last parts Anon was doing so well. The issue is that a lot of women fear men because unlike bears, a lot of them have bad apples who can manipulate well, and they are also likely to harass for longer.. a bear will just maul you or chill, much simpler, more predictable.

No matter what bear, you know what you are getting, a fucking bear.
No matter what man, you have no idea what you are getting, they could be a saint or a monster or both.
Imo, women would prefer the bear because we've reached a level in our wildlife education where women realize that bears are generally passive towards humans, and are an interesting thing to encounter in the woods. While a man is pretty ho-hum.
- negative, it was a stupid meme that does not translate into real life AT ALL and now autistics are trying to make it make sense
The point is, if you're in the woods with a bear, you're probably never going to see it. The bear will actively leave you be. The human... You don't know. They could be actively seeking you out for the sole purpose of hurting you for fun.

Damn, all I'm seeing here is hella moid coping and seething 💅

says dumb shit gets called out for saying dumb shit they're coping and seething so hard
- try dunking on someone online can't even use escape characters mfw

This is the worst 4chan space I've ever seen. It's like Reddit's r/Politics. There's a comment decrying the patriarchy with 55 upvotes.

Lol. Lmao, even
Usually this is the BEST 4chan space, but unfortunately, I have to agree with you on this post