Oopsie rule :3

Palestine Action was right to damage British planes. I hope they do it again, and again, and again, until Palestine is free.

I support Palestine Action!!!
- I would say that too, except I'd get arrested if I did, so I won't. Do you hear me, lawyers? Officially speaking I do not support Palestine action.
I think Palestine Action chose the planes they damaged because they were in some kind of weird military contractor sublease, which was tied to refueling capability for some certain set of aircraft unsupported by their other aerial refueling systems.
- You are correct. Those planes were being used directly to support the genocide.

Further reading:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-still-sharing-intelligence-israel-surveillance-flights-over-gaza-continue

I'm confused. How is this a war crime.

The genocide would be the war crime.
The UK was caught directly participating in the operations, so they are helping a country that is not their ally commit a genocide without declaring war on Palestine themselves.
- Well no they weren't, they were "caught" flying a plane over Gaza. Going from that to "directly participating in the operations" is a conclusion you are drawing which seems plausible, even likely, but is not directly supported by a British plane doing loops over Gaza.
- By that logic anyone recording video in Gaza is participating in genocide by publishing video online that would be analysed by Israeli intelligence.
Leaving a fingerprint isn't illegal but a fingerprint on a knife inside someone is evidence for a murder trial.
A war crime isn’t a single act but rather a pattern of behavior that has many pieces of evidence.
- Don’t bury the lede it absolutely can also be one act
Blows dust off
They got Al-Capone for TAX EVASION!
Haunting laughter of long dead studio audience

Hang all of those government officials and agents who were “just following orders.” Hunt them down the same way the world hunted down Nazi camp guards.

Hang all of those government officials and agents who were “just following orders.”
At a dinner meeting of the Big Three on Nov. 29, Stalin proposed executing 50,000 to 100,000 German officers so that Germany could not plan another war. Roosevelt, believing Stalin was not serious, quipped that “maybe 49,000 would be enough.”
Churchill, however, was outraged and denounced “the cold-blooded execution of soldiers who fought for their country.” Before storming out of the room, he said that only war criminals should be put on trial. Stalin brought him back after saying that he was only joking.
- Churchill’s only motivation for joining the war was that he couldn’t stand the idea of someone being a bigger asshole than himself.
- I'm guessing the word "unless" was floating around Stalin's head at the time.

"evidence for a war crimes trial"

I do so love the liberal idea that there's such a thing as "law."

The only way we're going to end the richest countries supporting the most openly genocidal country is if we cut off the funding that is making all of this profitable. There's no one, simple "boycott target" we just all have to get better about not pouring money in our country's corporations and monoliths who are always trying to make line go up.

Stop spending money on things like food delivery, fast food, games, movies, electronics and gadgets you don't need. Start hoarding the wealth away from the liches and oligarchs. Back up your activism by taking away the thing they want most.

I'd like to point out the booming indie games market that is a great place to waste money and support artists (like me not biased or anything)
I'd personally like a non cut off screenshot at the very least if there's going to be accusations of British war crimes
- There is no such thing as law, you see. You can cut off whatever screenshot you want, nobody can stop you. For example, the guy you responded to comitted a war crime. Here's the screenshot about it.

It’s charming how the news media still calls it a war, even though traditionally a war in two sides fighting.

The Israelis are in a war to preserve their existence against the threat of Palestinians continuing to have children at normal historical rates while Israel itself becomes a glorified retirement home.
The Palestinians are doing irreparable harm to the Jewish People by staying alive and protecting their children with hopes of seeing a future generation survive and thrive. The existence of The Hamas Ideology of not liking Israel must not persist for another generation.
I think insurance companies would agree with you in calling it something else. Police action or maybe the emergency
Are there not two sides fighting? Israel vs Hamas; neither side has surrendered.
- I will assume you hasn't been following what is happening. Israel is not killing Hamas, based on their own leaked estimate 80% of those who killed are innocent people. Children in tent getting blown up, as well as sick people in hospitals and christian in church is a good example of why this is not a war. It is a genocide.
- I mean, to be frank, I can't remember any actual news of fighting between Israel and Hamas. The last ones were maybe a year ago- if I am wrong, please correct me. Instead, all the news are 'Israel indiscriminately killing everybody with 0 casualties of their own'. Isn't really a war anymore. Maybe it was for a bit at the beginning, but Hamas and all its allies were decimated within the first year and a half of it. They are more or less undone from what I gather. All that is left is genocide now. I really struggle to call it a 'war' while Ukraine VS Russia is happening where both sides are taking heavy losses and the outcome is uncertain. With Israel, the outcome is pretty clear and certain- eradicating or displacing all Palestinians. They don't even pretend it's about Hamas anymore, because Hamas and it's allies are mostly gone and/or crippled.

A colonizer always takes good care of its colony?

Famously so. That's why you were much better of living in Hong Kong in 1949 than the bulk of mainland China. The colony becomes the vehicle for exporting wealth from the interior.
Quite a few HK liberals will protest Chinese rule by waving British (and American) flags. And a small but vocal faction even periodically demand that Hong Kong be returned to the UK.
Incidentally, the economy of Hong Kong has significantly lagged the rest of the Chinese mainland, in no small part because it has lost its position as an exclusive export hub to the wealthy capitalist countries. This has further increased the ahem economic anxiety of Hong Kong natives and fueled waves of protest (most notably the 2019 Umbrella Protests). Without its colonial status, Hong Kong is just another Chinese port city. Still disproportionately wealthy, but no longer this extravagantly rich financialized bottleneck.
For that kind of privilege, you need to move to Singapore.
- I mean easy to see why HK people would prefer the former status to the current.

Was this necessary intelligence for shooting people at food distribution lines?

It seems that not all hospitals are fully destroyed.

America showing its acceptance of genocide and its incompetence

This is what happens when you cheap out on foreign contractors
I believe the U.S. was definitely accepting it, but I doubt they can tell the Royal Air Force from the U.K. to not show their data

I agree that Israel bad, but can someone explain what the war crime is here? I'm not asking as a gotcha, just confused

UK is running spy flights for Israel, or now contracting them out to US mercenaries, to help Israel turn Gaza into rubble and mass slaughter Civilians. The UK claimed it would be solely for hostage rescue, but there was hardly any hostages recovered by military means and certainly no daily attempts at rescuing hostages, but Britain provided intel daily for the past almost two years.
The UK government said they stopped their flights amid mounting pressure, but that was just a lie as they contracted it out instead to distance themselves, which also indicates that they know exactly which crimes they have been and are supporting.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/defence/article/gaza-spying-us-news-lp90mz062
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250808-us-based-contractor-hired-by-uk-to-continue-spy-flights-over-gaza/
Additionaly: how is the UK involved in a US company flying over Gaza gathering intelligence for Israel.
Like, fuck Israel and their genocidal leadership, but I fail to see the logic of this post.
- The UK military is hiring US mercenaries to continue their spy operation
The genocide would be the war crime.
The UK was caught directly participating in the operations, so they are helping a country that is not their ally commit a genocide without declaring war on Palestine themselves.

US foreign policy has been terrible for generations. It's shit like this that makes me scream "BOTH SIDES", but our two party system always makes people stick to their team.

Both sides, yes, but one side is still WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY worse than the other.
- Hesitant as I am to open this can of worms, this always strikes me as saying something like "My manager is way nicer than the HR department. They're the only people who have ever fired anyone"
  Like, I guess it is true in a sense? But they are the same. It's not that one is worse or better. One is the designated executor of the intentions that they both share. This allows the executor to look worse, for the exact purpose of maintaining morale among the team and keeping them playing by the manager's rules.
  It's like, if both my mom and my dad think that I should be beaten for lying about my grades, and they both secretly decide that mom should be the one to beat me. Is dad way better than mom? Not really. Mom is just doing the dirty work so Dad can keep his hands clean. Then when I get beat I don't decide to run away, because I think "at least Dad isn't so bad, at least Dad doesn't beat me". But Dad does beat me in any sense that matters, he just beats me via the proxy of Mom. You could even say Dad is worse, because he's not only complicit in the beating, but he also conceals his true nature to prevent me from escaping the situation.
- Not all that much on this issue. They're both maximum bad. Neither Biden nor starmer is worse than the conservatives on this issue. Empty gestures aside. Obviously the Republicans and Torries are fucking cunts, I presume I can say that on Lemmy here.
- Maybe in the past, they are pretty much the same these days.
our two party system always makes people stick to their team
If you support the liberal ideology then Republicans will bend over backwards to destroy your municipal infrastructure, impoverish your neighborhoods, and send in the police to beat, imprison, and kill your children largely out of bigotry and spite.
If you support the conservative ideology then Democrats will continue feeding bits of your corner of the country into a giant Wall Street shaped de-industrialization meat grinder while half-heartedly waving an LGBTQ flag. Then they'll call you racist for telling them to stop. Also, they send in the police to beat, imprison, and kill your children. Not because you're conservative. Just because cops need something to do with all their free time.
Idk about you, but I can't be a part of one of these systems. It's unconscionable! So I need to be a member of the other.
I agree, but this data is being reported as from the UK's actions, not the US according to picture. I would have expected both though

Didn't UK announce their surveillance of Gaza as early as 2023? How is this some "gotcha" moment other than confirming what they've already stated 2 years ago...

Their own mission statement was to help identify where hostages were being held. So unless there's any real evidence of other types of damning intelligence sharing going on that was undisclosed. This isn't even news.

And certainly not "evidence of war crimes"

No the UK his what they were doing ans turned off their transponders above Gaza. Because they likely have video evidence of the IDF massacaring the WFK workers.
- Despite what you may believe. It's not common practise for military airplanes to fly with transponders on during a mission.
  It wasn't a secret that they flew over Gaza.

If you are going to be the Bitch, be the whole bitch.

If your goal is to protect Israeli hegemony in the middle east, stand by that position.

Don't try and gaslight people who know better.

It's insane how almost every western country is bending over backwards supporting this genocide in some way while also being extremely embarrassed about it.
- It's a part of the neoliberal solution to crimes againt humanity. First, you do it but deny you're doing it. Then, once you're finished (or made to finish) you admit that you did it and it was really bad. Like really bad and you feel just awful about it. Next, you state the time for justice must wait for a fairer season, as it could drum up bad blood and potentially ignite new conflicts. Finally, after some time has passed, you declare that too much time has passed and justice needed to be done sooner, for now we can no longer punish the perpetrators and would just punish innocents caught in the way(who still have the benefits from whatever their parents did).
  Huzzah! We did it kids! Society progressed and everyone is treated fairly now! /s
Don’t try and gaslight people who know better.
Gaslighting is how you control a population that's largely in the dark. "No, we're not actually supporting Israel. Only the far-left wackos and the Russian anti-UK agitators are saying that."
Now that this news has leaked you'll get some rebuttal of "Yes, of course we were helping Israel. That's not news at all. But we were helping them kill the terrorists. Only a Muslim Extremist Antisemite would complain about us protecting innocent Israelis from Radical Islamic Extremism."

Westerners: Are we the baddies?

All global superpowers are led by evil war criminals.
- In recent history the West has had more global super powers so that's a lot of evil Western war criminals.
- Big "ALL lives matter!" energy.
Considering the entire East is supporting Russia's genocide in Ukraine, I'm going to say "we're not the only ones".
- China and North Korea are the entire East?
  Where do Japan and South Korea stand?
  India's purchase of oil from Russia amounts to less than all the trade that the EU does with Russia and a lot of that isn't even for a vital resource. It's also purchased within a price cap framework set by the West and economists globally agree that someone needs to buy Russian oil or oil prices will skyrocket due to reduced supply.
  I wouldn't see this as supporting the war unless you feel that the EU also supports Russia.
  I don't think this can be painted as a simple West vs East issue.
  And if we're going to talk about genocide I can think of one that most genocide scholars agree upon that happens to be heavily (if not solely) funded by the West.
- What's happening in the Ukraine is evil and fucked up but it's war, not genocide.
  This isn't to cheapen the damage Russia has done nor excuse their actions but genocide has a distinct meaning.
- Whataboutism
Both sides have baddies. Strong baddies on the israeli side. Weaker baddies on the palestinian side. Both have puppets and puppet masters playing them against another to further their agendas.
Then you have the poor sods in the middle who want nothing to do with the conflict, desperately trying not to be involved.
- I think we can say that Israel is worse than Hamas since Hamas has never committed a genocide on the scale that Israel is currently and the West is at best complicit and at worst actively funding it.

Goddamn Americans again.