I Got This Right, Right?

We can agree that the right wing is trying to use Kirk's death as casus belli to start a civil war against us. We are in a dangerous position right now.

But at the same time we can also choose to NOT spread misinformation like this. No, we don't know right now what political leaning the killer has. If anything, if the evidences released by the investigation can be trusted, he is more likely to be left leaning.

Yes, the right spreads misinformation all the time to further their goals. But I think we can do better.

What evidence? So far, none of it says he is a left winger. Everything we do know points to a MAGA family and village of similar idiots with violent tendencies and a gun-loving way of life.
- Multiple people who were interviewed said he was getting into leftist politics, he called Charlie Kirk a "fascist". He had a MTF trans girlfriend. These are not typical MAGA traits. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c99g1e0z2ero
- First of all, you completely missed the main point of my comment. If you think there's no evidence then you shouldn't be claiming one way or the other either, yet this post is presenting him as definitively right wing.
  Secondly, I didn't say he is a left winger. I said (based on my judgement) the evidence shows he probably, maybe leans left.
  And answering your "what evidence" question, his text message to his roommate is released by the investigation. There are also statement from his mother stating he is "getting more and more left" (obviously, grains of salt). And there are leaked (released?) Discord messages from the killer.
  If you never heard any of these, then you probably are in an echo chamber.
- "I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out."
  Robinson’s mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro–gay and trans–rights oriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members, especially between Robinson and his father, who had very different political views.
  You people are fucking dipshits.
Everyone spreads misinformation to further their goals. It's just not so obvious when it's your side doing it. Confirmation bias
It's not just the political right
Specifically what evidence released by the investigation do you feel characterizes the alleged killer as left-leaning? I have not seen any such evidence.

Yeah, but why is this in shitpost, though.

Missed a detail: any criticism of the scumbag is now considered "celebration" or "justification". We hated him before he died, but now we cannot say that. Because of the Fuhrer at all.

Dont rewrite history while its still happening, mate. Saying you dont like him because X reasons is not the issue being brought up. Its the people cheering for his death, celebrating murder and worse calling for more of it. I didnt like the cunt, but I never wanted him to fucking die. But a lot of people on this very platform are drinking and cheering. And thats ghoulish behaviour. Its not about Kirk at that point, its about the people saying it.
- If you looked at Reddit, you would see that any criticism of Kirk is largely being equated to celebration or at least supporting it.
  Even if you ignored that, people are getting fired in droves for saying mild things, and the fascists are trying to force people nationwide to either keep quiet or participate in memorials. Just yesterday Oklahoma tried to force their school children into a minute of silence for the monster.
  And even if you ignored that, just posting Kirk's quotes are making a lot of people angry.
  And even if you ignored that, there's a huge attack overall on the left's free speech in general. The Nazis are declaring war on us from the administration, saying they will dismantle the left. And declare leftists terrorist groups.
  None of this is okay. Open your eyes.
- Maybe it should be about the factors that led to a person murdering another person and not the bystander reactions to a notable event that happened.
- Bullshit

Nope, if you talk to anyone on the right currently, everything the administration is doing right now is fine and they have broken no laws.

"Oh the democrats have done much worse." When i ask them what things democrats have done that are close to what republicans do, they always bring up forcing kids to become trans or giving them hormones in school.

People really are that out of touch with reality.

They are fascists.
Period.
They fit the definition.
They are fascists.
They might be stupid fascists that don't even know it, but that doesn't change that they're fascists.
- And fascists are liars
- To them any concept of socialism or human rights is considered communism or lgbtq+ . They smear themselves in fascist excrements, coming straight from the orange pudding’s ass.
I have had the same experience and its frustrating. I mentioned Trumps claim that all his actions are legal, and his reply was "well it was ok when Biden said it", like a knee-jerk reaction.
I had to JackieChan_WHAT.jpg while driving.
People really are that out of touch with reality.
there's a portion that are ignorant sure. and there's a portion that leverages that ignorance as a shield to deny their fascist motivations.
they're both awful.
Did they provide any real world examples?
- yeah they saw it on facebook or truth social

Is this actually true? There's too much disinformation about the shooter, his motivations, his identity, his family, his partner going around that I have no clue what to really believe about him.

(Please, nobody respond to this comment telling me "that's exactly what they want" without providing a credible source for your claims about the shooter. If you do provide sources, then you are welcome to make fun of me for being skeptical.)

I will point out one thing that should be obvious, the shooter was only 22. So it's possible he doesn't have a very baked and stable political ideology. I knew a hard core outwardly homophobic conservative at 17 who came out as gay and did theater by 20. I knew a fairly liberal person when she was about 18 that over the years got to a place where she publicly praised Trump and called COVID a hoax and the vaccine a conspiracy. No idea how that happened, even as I saw it first hand.
Given the situation, it is at least clear he was unhinged if he would get to this point, either way. I would have hoped this would be a lesson for people that people get dangerously moved by angry rhetoric, but a lot of folks are ramping up rhetoric instead.
- A very fair point indeed
We don't have confirmation on all of his motives yet; however what we do know about the shooter, his upbringing, lifestyle, etc. is that the poster responding to OP in the image above is largely correct.
There are indeed conflicting accounts that his roommate was trans, or his partner was, or similar. None of that's been verified yet, and even if so, it doesn't explain the shooter's motivations.
What we do know about the shooter is that he largely fits the model of a deeply conservative republican, and that fits with how he was raised, his family, and as his grandmother puts it: "Their family was all MAGA".
Going off that, and a lot of other circumstantial details/evidence, it's clear that he was at one point a deeply MAGA character.
Beyond that or what his current motivations are? We can only extrapolate. Those extrapolations largely lead in the direction that he shot Kirk because Kirk didn't back some of the same extremist beliefs he held. Those beliefs are similar to what Nick Fuentes believes in, which is also why he's currently being labeled a Gyroper.
- According to The Onion, he once had a trans Uber driver so that obviously makes him a leftist.
- According to some right-wing spaces (r/conservative on Reddit), there is apparently evidence to suggest that the shooter was an outlier within their otherwise hard-right family.
  Is there any evidence to the contrary?
- Fair enough, but I think we shouldn't be basing our inferences about the shooter from his family's political leanings. My feeling is that somebody who does something so drastic is likely enough to be an outlier from their family that we can't really know one way or the other.
- I feel like we have a pretty definitive understanding of his motivations. This is directly from Tyler when discussing why he did it, “I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.” Where is the ambiguity in this?
Earlier in the briefing, Gray said investigators had spoken to Robinson’s mother, who said her son had, over the last year “become more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans rights-oriented”.
He disclosed that the exchange with the roommate then began to explore a motive.
“Roommate: ‘Why?’ Robinson: ‘Why did I do it?’ Roommate: ‘Yeah."’ Robinson: ‘I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again, hopefully they have moved on. I haven’t seen anything about them finding it,’” Gray said.
I think the motivation is pretty clear at this point. Not sure how this post got 1k+ likes and no one seem to give credible source.
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/16/charlie-kirk-shooting-prosecutor-utah
I wouldn't trust anyone describing his political leanings or motives until court. It's being twisted around and rumors are spreading like wildfire in a vacuum of actual leadership.
- I'd even say all indications are that his leanings don't matter in the specifics of this event.
  It's probably more informative that folks can credibly have theories for either leaning to lead to this event. Lots of reasons that could believably drive any political leaning over the edge if they are close.
- His trail's probably a long way away, isn't it?
My sentiment is the same.
To be blunt, Lemmy is a terrible place to ask.
I heard there is video of him using a megaphone to debate Charlie at some point. I do not know where to verify this. I will be looking into it later.
- Is it this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rncUo1Pnqio
  Close enough to double take, but I don't think its the person they caught.
  Kirk's job was literally to argue like this though, so it might be somewhere else.
The politicians just want to continue spreading fear no matter the side imo. I hate how they want to argue instead of trying to unify us (which is what they seem scared to do cuz a unified nation will turn against them)
- That is utter bullshit. The right is wanting to go door to door and kill democrats and keep saying this is war. The left is saying we dont condone this kind of abhorrent behavior. They are NOT the same at all.
- The oligarchs want that, and the oligarchs have many politicians in their pocket I presume. However, it's not like non-corrupt non-bought politicians have any reason to be afraid of a unified nation -- they're in politics to effect change in the first place.

Anyone that's read about the lead-up to WW2 or, well, any historical instance of fascism gaining political control over a country knows that they're going to keep pushing. They're going to keep targeting the left. They're going to ram through executive orders to oppress the left. They're going to get the SC to make decisions against the left. They're going to label nebulous entities like ANTIFA (when's the last time you saw an ANTIFA gathering) as terrorist organizations. They're going to end up openly calling for genocide. It's going to happen.

So I implore everyone to arm themselves and form networks with likeminded people. You do not want to start doing this after it's too late. If you need motivation, start reading up on 1930s Germany (the similarities are undeniable) and follow up with a list of WW2 atrocities. There's definitely a WIKI page for it.

The number of similarities between modern America and 1930s Germany is shocking.
I believe the assassination of Kirk is highly analogous to the killing of Horst Wessel. Both Wessel and Kirk were far right nationalists who were killed and subsequently hailed as martyrs by their fascist movements.
Hitler brought up Wessel in all of his early speeches. The Nazis wrote songs and bullt statues of Wessel. And today we can already hear the songs about Kirk. Congressmen are passing around a bill to erect a statue of Kirk in the Capitol.
If we continue to follow this timeline closely, we are about 2 years away from our own Reichstag fire moment.
- So this time around, is that 2 weeks?
- To be fair, 1930s got most of their ideas from the US. The country has always been sick in the bones.
Antifa is such a strange concept to me because doesn't it stand for Anti-fascist? So making Antifa your enemy means you are fascist
Imperial Japan is the only country in modern history to become a Fascist Theocracy. Under Project 2025, the USA is following a similar path. I always pointed to Germany, Italy and Spain, but they did not beat the Japanese in the fucked up realm of fascism.
- Could you elaborate?
they love antifa because they can point at anything they don't like and scream antifa, and now law enforcement will fall on it.
fucking fascists.
- The left loves Antifa because they can use it as cover for illegal behavior. It's convenient that you continue to claim Antifa doesn't exist, yet you all coordinate with each other in breaking the law. Hard to coordinate with something that doesn't exist.

Do we know about the political views of the suspect? I know he supports guns but that does not make you automatically right wing

This is one of the biggest problems with our current state of polarization: we’re quick to box people into a binary; either “red” or “blue,” “left” or “right.”
Real people rarely fit neatly into those categories. When you take the time to actually map out someone’s beliefs, experiences, and values, what you find almost never looks like a solid block of one color. Instead, it’s more like a mosaic: someone might lean conservative on economic issues, progressive on social ones, independent when it comes to foreign policy, and undecided on others.
Reducing all of that complexity down to a single partisan label is not only misleading, it also fuels division. It makes it harder to have real conversations, because instead of engaging with the full person (their reasoning, contradictions, and growth), we engage with a caricature. Recognizing that most people carry a mix of beliefs forces us to slow down, listen, and resist the urge to collapse identities into overly simple categories.
The challenge is that this feels counterintuitive, especially for people who haven’t examined why they hold the views they do. It’s easier, and often more comforting, to inherit an identity or adopt a team than it is to wrestle with contradictions and gray areas. But when we refuse that deeper work, we not only misunderstand others, we also misunderstand ourselves.
In other words, the messiness is the point. People are complicated, and when we acknowledge that, we create more space for dialogue, empathy, and genuine understanding; the very things that binary polarization squeezes out.
Edit:
If you’re interested in seeing how this plays out in practice, the New York Times put together a quiz a few years back that illustrates the point really well:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/09/08/opinion/republicans-democrats-parties.html
- Is there a way to interact with this quiz that doesn't involve me giving the NYT a dollar?
- Very well said, this is how i think as well. Here in switzerland it is exactly the same even though we have 5 major parties to choose from. This is also why direct democracy in switzerland is so amazing. You choose people that represent the parliment in parties while you still can vote different in referendums than your chosen party does.
From what I've heard, he was from a right wing family but there are conflicting reports on whether he himself was right wing
- Probably a libertarian. Non party affiliated has been growing as people arent into fascist Republicans vs fiscal conservative policy and they dont want to be a Democrat in those states.
  I know we have this, you are one party of the other thing but i think the "others" is gonna get bigger as a group and already has.
- This is what i read as well. While not likely, it is totally possible he is not right wing
From what I've pieced together, it's a guy from a MAGA family that was recently radicalized, possibly in college towards left-wingism (possibly via exposure and humanization of trans room mate?). There's not that much evidence to suggest he was a far-righter himself (the groyper claims are literally just "yeah the engravings are a dogwhistle trust me bro" but many libs here are buying it), and now it's just turning into a war of push from both sides being like "no it's not OUR guy it's YOUR guy!".
In other words, it's impossible to tell for certain due to how deliberately muddied the waters are by everyone.
- There's equal evidence for the groyper claim as there is for the trans roommate claim, which is to say nothing but hearsay being pushed out by the Governor of Utah.
- MAGA was screaming that it was a radical leftist without ANY evidence... They are just looking for an excuse to justify using force against political opponents
- He went to UVU one semester and then left and went to trade school as an electrical apprentice. I highly doubt he got radicalized at college in Utah. He was already radicalized by his parents and family in the MAGA / Mormon spheres. It takes longer than a semester to deconstruct cult level beliefs like that. There is very little to any evidence that his roommate is trans. It is all hearsay picked up from places like 4-chan then spread to right-wing rags then spread to right wing politicans. A big loooong game of telephone. It isn't even clear he lived there at the time of the shooting. The Daily Mail said he lives with his family in a $600,000 six-bedroom home.
  The reason the trans - fan fic is getting spread by right-wingers is that the federal authorities are using it to get jurisdiction from the state since that could make it classify as a hate crime. Even if the roommate is trans that doesn't mean they aren't a right-wing trans person. Trans people can have shitty views just like any other group of people.
  It doesn't help that the FBI and news outlets are releasing different info to different news audiences to muddy the waters. Just the meta-data of this being the 3rd trans related storyline being pushed does not inspire confidence in it's veracity. The first TRN one was debunked and retracted, but then they claim the engravings point to trans- ideology when that isn't really apparent. Then they come up with another one. Sorry, not buying right-wingers making shit up to blame it on trans people.
- If this kid had been "radicalized towards left-wingism" in any way, the media would be all over it and we wouldn't be hearing the end of it.
I am a big time left wing guy and I love guns. Of course I believe in gun control, but I do not believe in most gun bans.
- Me too. I am left wing and shoot guns weekly. I live in switzerland and it is not a issue at all because there are strict regulations. You cannot aquire an automatic rifle without special permissions.
His family and city was, but it pretty likely seems he was not. Hard to be a republican if you're living with (and allegedly dating) a trans.
- It was only for one semester. And you'd be surprised how many white supremacists have had relationships with non-whites.
I think "we're" going to end up with a lot of egg on our faces the more they investigate. I believe his parents have already told the authorities that "he's been getting more into left wing ideology in the recent years" so I'm pretty sure its just a matter of time before it's "proven."
The only thing people have to go off of now is some tenuous connection to Nick Fuentes that doesn't seem too solid.
- This kid was different. He is not one of us! /S
  What was fucking hilarious was the governor got on to reassure all Utahns that he was not like his parents, community, or state when he clearly is.
  Your musings don't matter he has already been branded by the liars as a leftist and your just here to sweep up after them like a good lackey.
- Not sure why you're getting downvoted. At face value alone the alleged “Hey Fascist, Catch!” text on the casing is not something a right winger would say about their own ideological cousin, and if true as well, the shooter may have dated a trans individual. The preponderance of the circumstantial evidence we’ve been told (albeit with the caveat that we can’t trust news orgs that are kissing the ring) would seem to point towards the shooter aligning with left-leaning traits.
  Edit: you downvoters need to check your cancel votes at the door. Just because there’s a possibility you might dislike the reality of the situation not turning out how you’d like.

Cut the 'deep down they know' bullshit. They have no principles and sincerely believe that it is their opposition, or perceived opposition, that are responsible for all things that go wrong no matter what. No matter how many people Trump fucks over or have their lives completely ruined by him, they will just blame the democrats or transgender people or homosexuals or whoever else. They genuinely cannot see what Trump and his asskissers are doing and the results it is having.

It’s more accurate to think of them as irrational beings with brain disease making them unable to think clearly. They have vague intuitions and a complete inability to think rationally.

Y'all remember when ISIS attacked that theater in Russia and Russia immediately blamed Ukraine despite ISIS openly admitting to it and begging for recognition?

Yeah, this is more of the same from the party of Putin's professional cock holsters.

He should not have been shot. The shooter was, like virtually all such people, a narcissistic main character sociopath who only cared about his own fame and notoriety, and was likely spending too much time in the damp and mushroomy corners of the internet instead of developing an actual personality in the real world. He's less an anti-fascist soldier and more a Travis Bickle wannabe wanker.

But Charlie Kirk was a humongous piece of shit and I am glad he's dead. One fewer humongous pieces of shit to have to listen to. I would never advocate the murder of a man like him, and like I said, I think the shooter was a colossal cunt who unleashed way more danger and harm to marginalised groups than Kirk was capable of provoking on his own. But thank fuck he's gone. Silver linings n'all that 🤷‍

I’m glad he’s gone but this is just what the right needs to go full force Nazi as we have rightly known since it occurred.
- They were going to do that anyway. And something like this was pretty much inevitable with the way Trump's been running things. It's all part of the plan.
"Now, I would never advocate murder, but I'm super glad [public figure] is dead. I just wish a tree fell on them instead so it can't be blamed on us."
Don't be surprised when you see this line coming back at you from the other side.

As far as I've been able to figure out, the kid was neither right nor left, just fucked in the head.

He was left.
Exactly, that’s why I hate politics they just like to politicize everything. Even if he was left or right instead of fighting we should focus on the mental health epidemic(I believe that’s the right word).
It’s like how people sue gun companies for shootings instead of thinking the person who did the shooting is mentally ill
- ... Politicize everything? A guy killed a political figure for political purposes at a literal rally.

They now claim he was "left leaning". It's a war of propaganda.

They were always going to blame it on the left. Facts don’t matter to rightists, only keeping control of their followers. All of Lemmy called it the moment the assassination happened.
- His mom literally said that her son shifted left and got into arguments with his father about politics. How does it feel to be on the side of lies and disinformation?
- It's not funny that people believed he was a groyper. This was such an obvious thing that you need to talk to a psychiatrist about it.
- Robinson’s mother told police that her son had “began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders,” the court document said.
  And she said that over the past year or so, Robinson had become more political and had “started to lean more to the left – becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented,” according to the documents.
Likely based on his texts with his transwoman roommate.
What are your reasons for thinking he was on the Right?
My understanding is that everyone who has publicly spoken about him has indicated that while he was raised in a Republican family, he himself held strong Left views. His friends/classmates have indicated he had become very vocal about this and regularly got into arguments over it. He was in a relationship with a trans individual which is a decidedly Left behavior. More than that he murdered a Republican poster boy because of his ideology (as indicated by Tyler himself).

“Right wing” still isn’t specific enough, as that also includes democrats.

Just to be clear, he was obviously part of the same way of left wing thinking that holds the following opinions:
- Which of those opinions do you take issue with?

All that a German needs to know about this incident is two words:

Reichstag Fire

(EU pls send help 🥺👉👈)

People keep saying this but I'm seeing a different thing. The Kirk murder doesn't seem to have the seriousness required to compare. Instead, the event has turned into an us-vs.-them litmus test. The fascists can't use this to declare autocracy, but they're using it to target enemies.
- It's a loyalty test, yes.

First of all, there is no Republican Party any longer, they are as dead as the Whigs. They should only be referred to in an historical or scholarly context.

They are the MAGA Party now. They have nothing in common with the traditional platform of the Republican Party - smaller government, lower taxes, economic/fiscal responsibility, family values, religious values, etc. MAGA embraces none of those foundational tenets, instead supporting and encouraging treason, racism, corruption, violence, genocide, pedophilia, misogyny, incompetence, ignorance, intolerance, and more.

The Dems should hold a press conference, and unilaterally, but officially, declare the death of the Republican Party, and then never refer to them again, always calling them the MAGA Party. The MAGAs are proud of being Republicans, and they will go out of their minds over this.

the traditional platform of the Republican Party - smaller government, lower taxes, economic/fiscal responsibility, family values, religious values, etc.
TBF, the GOP didn't hold many of those values either. They wanted to increase government control over people, lower taxes only for the rich and therefore increase the national debt, values only counted if they were christian and straight, etc. The main differences with MAGA is they say the quiet part out loud and they're more comfortable with nazis, fascists, and kings than the GOP ostensibly was.
- They may not have lived by it, but they certainly were proud of it, and claimed it relentlessly. Now they don't even try to claim smaller government, or lower taxes. They know how ludicrous it would sound.
They are the MAGA Party now. They have nothing in common with the traditional platform of the Republican Party - smaller government, lower taxes, economic/fiscal responsibility, family values, religious values, etc.
What a load of bullshit. The Republican party has never, in my lifetime (and from everything I've read, since long before that) stood for those things.
They may have said that they do, but their actions speak louder than words.
I honestly cannot believe that people still say shit like this.
- Whether they lived by it or not, it was the definition of their party that they offered to the world.
  The fact that they don't even try to float those concepts any more, because they know how silly they'd sound, demonstrates that they have changed.
  The simple fact is that the Republican Party and the MAGA Party are now two separate entities, and should be referred to that way. And by the Dems making the unilateral choice to eject the Republicans to the dustbin of history, and force recognition of the MAGA Party, the Traditional Republicans, who think they are going to wait out MAGA, and revert to being Republicans again someday, will come to the realization that they have killed the Republican Party that they love so much.
  It's long past time that the Dems matched the MAGA's psychological warfare.

I can't speak to the shooter's motivations (though meme forensics seems pretty silly) but the "at a Right wing state with a Right wing governor" etc bits seem pretty dumb.

It'd be like saying the guy who went after Pelosi was clearly a Leftie because it was in a Leftie state, with a Left song governor, in a Left wing city against a Left wing politician. Pretty nonsense points and make us look dumb.

It's sort of relevant because when crazy stuff happens in a Democratic state, the right points fingers and they imply that chaos is happening because of governance.
- Kind of feels like the right invents their own truth and constantly does mental gymnastics. Now we are doing it? The media talked about goypher for a day and everybody jumped on it.

KILL

Pardon my ignorance but is this actually banned on some dumbass platform?

The gun he used was non binary

Well, that aged like fine milk.

It's becoming clear people view reality as a "choose your own adventure" game.
- Why wait for facts when you can speculate?

Don't we not even know of the guy is truly guilty yet? There is hardly any Information about him yet to even make a good opinion

I mean his DNA was found on the gun, there's a slew of text messages, handwritten notes, and video evidence showing that it was him, but I suppose a Republican could have broken into his house, stolen his DNA, planted incriminating messages, and borrowed his clothing. At this point we really just don't know, anything is possible.
- To nitpick, the handwritten note under the keyboard got destroyed. So there isn't any any more.
- Ok fair enough I honestly wasnt away of that information yet

So many of these Charlie Kirk AI generated TikTok videos popping up everywhere have to shoehorn some amount of "We hate Greta Thunberg" into them. I'm beginning to suspect these people aren't actually sad that Kirk is dead. They're sad that Greta Thunberg is doing something infinitely more dangerous and more inspiring, yet she managed to outlive him.

What you're describing is clearly foreign propaganda.
- A KGB spy and a CIA agent meet up in a bar for a friendly drink
  "I have to admit, I'm always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up," the CIA agent says.
  "Thank you," the KGB says. "We do our best but truly, it's nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them."
  The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. "Thank you friend, but you must be confused... There's no propaganda in America."

Gotta unite the base that was fractured over the Epstein files

no it would alienate thier base, if they blame the right wing group associated with fuentes. the gop could lose seats if they start recognizing that a right winger is the shooter, and those supporters would turn on them in a second. they are also finding it difficult to blame the left, because almost none of the political violence is caused by the left in the first place, except for rare instances.

I'm starting to think there are more rare instances of left wing violence than common instances of right wing violence.
In the future, when you watch more of Tyler Robinson's social media get released to the public and then see him testify at trial, you will see how obvious it is that the claims he was anything other than a pure "reddit leftist" were shameless gaslighting.
When that happens, please try to think back to all the other times you've been lied to.
- There aren’t. The majority of political violence is committed by those with right wing ideologies. That isn’t to say that that can’t change in the future, but we’re a ways away from the right losing that crown.
  This year alone there were more political figures assassinated on the left by the right, than vice versa.

I thought it was a trans antifa Marxist! /s

It's starting to look like it was.

I don’t see why either side is trying to disown the dude. He turned himself in. That’s so brave, and the right thing to do regardless of affiliation.

I now know way more about this than I wish I knew.

https://www.axios.com/2025/09/15/groyper-charlie-kirk-nick-fuentes-tyler-robinson

Soon after Charlie Kirk's assassination, some on the political left quickly spread a baseless theory that the conservative podcaster was killed by a follower of the ultra-right-wing group called Groypers.

Authorities told Axios they believe Robinson's romantic relationship with his transgender roommate could be key to determining a motive for Kirk's killing, and that Robinson believed that the conservative was spreading transphobic hate.

Robinson "wasn't too fond of Trump or Charlie [Kirk]," a former coworker of his told CNN.

Reality check: As noted by Time Magazine, those who have covered Fuentes downplayed connections between Robinson and the movement.

I don't think reality is welcome on Lemmy at this point.

Alex Jones got caught looking at trans porn, and he's a right wing piece of shit. So what
Groypers, specifically, are no longer fond of Trump.
Upvoted for citing reasonable source.
Personally, it doesn't really matter much whether he was left or right since it's very clear that right-wing extremist violence makes up the large majority of these incidents.
I wouldn't say the Groyper is totally baseless, but "Robinson's romantic relationship with his transgender roommate" is pretty telling.

~~The funny thing is you can rotate things around "right" -> "left" and it will still be valid~~

~~Lemmy can't stop bitching about right, it's honestly funny~~

That's not what happened though, is it? Where and when did this situation you are alluding to happen?
- oh sure, I'm not talking about this case obviously
  I was thinking about things like epstein files not being made public and left accusing right, and right accusing left
  Mass surveillance, facism, war... that happened under obama now happens with trump
  Don't have examples on left blaming right when it happens though, I was mainly saying that each side will blame the other for things they have done too, but obviously I missed the point of this post because that's clearly not it. I also believe I wanted to say that one side is quick to accuse the other without real evidence, and assumes that the other one is responsible when it's not that simple.
  after re-reading my comment I feel dumb, I'll strike the text. Sorry.
Nice examples provided to illustrate your point.

It's interesting that tens of millions of people know the truth of him being a radical far-left homicidal maniac, but the few thousand people here continue to circlejerk over lies. I really expected better from lemmy. Oh well, it is what it is.

The only evidence of this I've seen is that his roommate might have been trans, and we all know being in the same room as a trans person makes you a radical left maniac.
Can you be specific about what you mean by “radical far left”? Obviously we all agree that he’s a homicidal maniac, because he assassinated a person in public, but I don’t wanna just jump on the downvote bandwagon without hearing you out. What makes him a decent person?

My German bro here understands too much. From my perspective, an american shoot another american. For reasons. End of the story.

His Mom said he had become more political lately. Specifically left-leaning, pro-gay and pro-trans. He left a note for his trans roommate that he was going to assassinate Kirk. He said that he "Had enough of Kirks hatred" in his discord chat and inscribed pro-trans, gay and antifascist rhetoric on the bullets.

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/charlie-kirk-murder-suspect-texts-motive-b2827814.html

How is any of this right wing?

Being pro-gay and protrans doesn't necessarily mean that you're not right-wing. It just means you don't share the commonly held out groups. Unusual, yes, but a tell, not really.
If he was dropping some Marxist stuff, was interested in taxing the rich, or universal healthcare, then I would say he's not right wing.
- Deranged take, touch grass
- So how do you know he's right wing?
  Edit: Also how do address the hate comment? And justify him killing Kirk for not being far-right enough?
To a Nazi, anything less than pure, unadulterated Nazism is "left-leaning".
- You could be characterized the same way.
So, far right parents in a conservative religion in a Republican town in a Republican state produced a child so tortured by a culture of hate and violence that as soon as they even start to lean either way their instinct is murder. Breaking the cycle of hate is relatively easy compared to breaking the cycle of violence. The statements they made to their roommate (even if that heresay is true) just confirm that they were a troubled child from a troubled culture trying to change. It should surprise no one that those childish attempts would be a VERY twisted reflection of the ideal. So no, he was not part of the left. Just a child in pain reacting the only way their conservative upbringing taught them.
- No true scotsman. Being against ideas of the right and killing someone for espousing them ipso facto is left wing.
- What is the difference between center-right, right and far right in your view?
Can we get a link from The associate press or Reuters and not a British tabloid.
- Parents said their son became more political
  While authorities say Robinson hasn’t been cooperating with investigators, they say his family and friends have been talking.
  Robinson’s mother told investigators that their son had turned left politically in the last year and became more supportive of gay and transgender rights after dating someone who is transgender, Gray said.
  Those decisions prompted several conversations in the household, especially between Robinson and his father. They had different political views and Robinson told his partner in a text that his dad had become a “diehard MAGA” since Trump was elected.
  Mason added that the family’s views “differed quite significantly,” and the conversations were at times controversial between parents and son.
  https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-tyler-robinson-court-death-penalty-f541df08a936e06497ee2342296bc398
- Is the BBC good enough? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99g1e0z2ero
- You can actually. I suggest using this website: www.google.com
How is any of this right wing?
Plenty of trans people are right-wing Trumpers. Some of them are quite popular with plenty of videos on YouTube.
- There are also plenty (arguably way more) that are lefties that hate Trump's guts. What's your point?
Hey, checking the facts isn't welcome here!

Cluster B's never blame themselves.

You know there’s more to cluster b than just narcissism right?
Not everyone with a cluster b disorder is incapable of admitting fault.
- Sure but you say cluster b because it never just narcissism.