Chaotic

"I'd rather my kids be autistic than dead"

I think this is a completely valid train of thought.

Misguided for sure, but valid.

What all these people would say if they both believed their bullshit and loved their kids.
- I'm curious how many people are vaccinating their children, but don't want to have the rest of their friends and family know.
*than
In this case it actually matters.
- Completely fair
Not exactly misguided. Also that is a quote from some old comedian. (Steven Fry?)
It also makes discussions with people believing it easier. You can avoid discussing what they believe as facts and focus on the decision they make.

Reminds me of a bit some streamer did about a trans inclusionary radical misogynist. "I get it, if I was born a woman I'd want to be a man too! And any weak man that can't hack it should get to be a woman! Trans rights!"

It makes me laugh everytime I see people like that. It's just so funny to me that there are people that can get over a pretty recent prejudice, but not the one that's thousands of years old, that is significantly less socially acceptable than the other. Actually, I think that they should have cage matches with terfs.
- Tbh, it's not that surprising to me.
  Trans prejudices are, as you said, rather new and to most people rather impactless. Most people don't have close daily contact with trans people, just because there aren't that many, so it's not that difficult to say "You know, I don't really care".
  Man/woman stereotypes on the other hand are super deeply ingrained and even if you are conciously watching out for them and trying to avoid them you will inevitably fall prey to some of these. They are so ingrained that they are just subconcious.
  For example, one of my kids had a birthday party. We were at some indoor playground and quite quickly the girls and boys of that group separated and each of the two groups did their own thing.
  I checked in with the girls every 10 minutes or so, asking them if they are doing alright. After the third or fourth time I realized that I only did that with the girls, because apparently I subcontiously trusted the boys to manage on their own, but not the girls or something. So I stopped doing that.
Was the person shit posting to highlight the absurdity of bigotry by changing the perspective or where they genuine?
- Shit posting. It was a joke.
- Trans-Inclusive Radical Mysognist
That used to be my discord bio but I got tired of all the interrogations from mods making sure I wasn't actually evil :(
Now I'm thinking of the Jello apocalypse bit where they were dubbing Sky's of Arcadia, "The existence of trans men prove we don't need women".
- I think that's the stream I was thinking of, actually. Time for a rewatch!
Isn't that trans maxing? Forgive me I'm just trying to learn.
- I seriously have zero clue what "trans maxing" is supposed to be.

This was from the Penn and Teller TV show called Bullshit! They said, " Assume the research paper is correct. Going by their statistics, you are far more likely to die than get autism."

And the paper turned out to be fraud.

Link to the video for those that haven't seen it.
far more likely to die than get autism."
And the paper turned out to be fraud.
So... you are actually far more likely to get autism than to die:P
- The paper that claimed a link between vaccine and autism.

I think I’d have more respect for them, not less. They seriously considered it was easier to deal with the autism than endangering their children and others with the disease. The positive side is that it’s very unlikely there will be any disease or autism.

I am not sure the other side shuns vaccination because they are afraid of autism. I am sure there are many among them who would not terminate a pregnancy even if they found out in time that their child would have down's syndrome (I don't condemn or condone this, just giving an example). They only don't vaccinate because "the libs tell them to", so more like a cult fanaticism behaviour. I think it is that simple and stupid not even something pragmatic.
- You could very well be right. It definitely tracks with what I’ve personally seen. There really seems to be a lot of I’ll do what they tell me so I don’t have to think or put in any effort.
- This is my impression.
  It's more about tribalism and (to rob the term) "virtue signaling" than anything.
  There is a niche group really obsessed with autism link conspiracies (and I'm sympathetic to that if they have a struggling neurodivergent kid; its a thing that really dominates their life), but the vast majority of antivax is simple "my side" signaling now.

Isn't that how it's supposed to work? Parents preferring live children to dead ones in world that constantly throws weird bullshit their way?

Okay but what if my kid turns out gay or trans or a different kind of christian than me? It's better that they die than any of that, right?
- Sadly yes. If they really believe their book, they prefer them dying without sin than living and being damned to hell. Which nicely encompasses in a single sentence most off what is wrong with religions, Christianity in particular.

It’s kinda wildly offensive that these anti vaxxers would rather have a dead kid than an autistic one, they speak about autism like it’s leprosy

So, about leprosy.
Seriously, though, leprosy has a long, ugly history of being wildly misunderstood and being used to other/imprison/enslave/kill so many innocent people, so it's an unintentionally rich comparison.
There is an entire Behind the Bastards series on people who shilled the anti-vax rhetoric.
Robert makes the point that for the anti-vax crowd, it's the idea that "you are a bad parent and that's why your kids got autistic" is worse than "vaccines gave your kids autism".
It's even worse when you add genetics to the mix because now parents have to believe something made their kids this way instead of something they had no control into.
The absolutely wild thing is that anti-vax used to be a largely liberal stance but with the added conspiracy theories, it swung over to the right.
So, TL;DR: parents are assholes who don't want to face reality that their child is not what they wanted them to be and would rather not have the burden of raising them and blame something else.
- Even worse is that research indicates autism is heavily linked to pollution, and the anti-vax right wing crowd voted the guy in that wants to remove all environmental restrictions.
- The absolutely wild thing is that anti-vax used to be a largely liberal stance but with the added conspiracy theories, it swung over to the right.
  Kinda like how the original men’s rights movement was dads who wanted more parental rights and to see their kids, but because they chose a bad name, it became a movement for incels and misogyny and the original people were chased out
  They should have called it the dad’s rights movement or the gender neutral parental rights movement
- I got the impression that anti-vax was always a right-left thing, because you had hippie-dippie types who thought it was "unnatural", but you also had fundie Christian types who thought that medicine went against God.
The thing is, they often don't believe that vaccines work

The important part is that he understands that vaccines work. The antivax morons do not.

There's different degrees of being wrong, and this guy is only half wrong, leading to a better outcome. We should encourage that.

Half wrong but got the entirely good outcome. Or almost.

Or you could be my parents, don't vax and still get at least two autistic children anyway.

Yeah, but think about how much autisticer they could have been!
- Important things to ponder

What a good parent.

In contast: My mother would rather have me being dead that help me get through depression. Fuck "Filial Piety", bunch of bullshit. I made typo on a tax form that they themselves don't even know how to file and all the sudden its my fault? Bruh. "Medication is bad", meanwhile I'm struggling with serotonin withdrawl, and yet they have the audacity to say I'm useless for an illness they inflicted on me.

Ignore them and take the pills. If you are a child, report them to the authorities instead.

Penn and Teller had a good visual about this. https://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo

Kinda scary that even though the link between vaccines and autism has been debunked so much in the past 20 years, that people still think its true. I mean, at this point theres more chance that the earth is actually flat than vaccines causing autism.

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People believe the darndest things and invest a lot of time and energy to create their very own personalized alternate realities.

My ex CW has an autistic son, and she won't vaccinate him, and she claims it's because his father won't allow it but his father has almost zero to do with the child, and does nothing for his medical needs. The child is very sickly looking to my eye, and always getting ill. I honestly don't get any of it.

Literally my parents

Well, we got good news for him!