Voting on ceasefire in the Israel-Palestine conflict

It's both at the same time. This conflict has caused populations of the yellow countries to be divided more than ever before.

This has caused many politicians to slip up in their first reactions, in which they declared unconditional support for Israel after the attacks by Hamas.

Even at that point more people than they anticipated took the stance that "self defence" should not automatically include fighting beyond your own borders and there was outrage. People felt their heads of state needed to represent ALL citizens, which means full support for the Israeli cause was unacceptable.

This has put several world leaders in an awkward position where they have to carefully balance protecting human rights within Gaza and simultaneously condemning Hamas as a terrorist organization. Abstaining from voting for a ceasefire is a direct result of that. Voting either way might open up new discussion with supporters of either side.

This is very obviously the cowardly way out and we as a people need to push for a resolution to this conflict that is morally just and protects human rights on both sides.

This is the same bullshit excuse America used to veto the first ceasefire.

Then when a bill with condemnation was introduced America still vetoed it.

It's just a pretentious troll. Every country that abstained is owned by the israeli lobby. That said the veto is far worse.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231018-us-vetoes-un-resolution-on-israel-hamas-war

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I get what you’re saying and that might very well be the case but you can’t be neutral in a case like this. Neutral means supporting Israel.

I have zero respect for countries voting no, but abstaining is no better. You (as a country) are literally preventing others to help by doing so. Someone is getting stabbed in front of you and you go “no, no, don’t help, we shouldn’t interfere”.

Just let them die I guess, they’re only Palestinians after all.

Shame on you Canada and all other yellows.

I needed your reply to "get" their comment.

Optics. Israel and Russia are both on massacre sides

Funny from a country currently invading its neighbor

Pretty sure a country that's committing mass genocide with imperial ambitions who commits daily war crimes and meddles in other countries' affairs to sow division and distrust is very clearly "the bad guy". How can you claim otherwise? You can't "both sides" the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Ah.

Not at all similar.

The r after the H is"hard"/rolling. The Hr sound alone is probably where most non natives will have trouble. The closest sound is probably the pirate "Arrrr".

The ts is a sharp "z" sound ( like the plural ending in farts) and the k sound is also hard/sharp ( like in Mikado).

Despite appearing and sounding different, Hrvatska is actually the modern development of the early medieval Latin word "Croatia".

It's also common in many languages to call the country by a translation of Croatia instead of Hrvatska. The proper way to address the country would be "Republic of Hrvatska" and its people as "Hrvati" instead of "Croats".

America isn't genociding Uyghurs though. Everyone thought the West was above this shit by now with all the decades of talk about equality.

Now everyone has to come to terms that the West is stil on 1940's Ubermensch genocide level of moral standards.

It's most definitely absolutely a genocide even if they don't kill every last Palestinian you fucking ghoul

Also israel was kidnapping as many hostages as they released and broke the ceasefire by killing a civilian on day 1.

No no no, they are fighting Hamas not the children, so it's not their fault. The children are just dropping dead, the fact it happened while their house was bombed by the IDF is totes unrelated. Also they are fighting Hamas in the West Bank too, even though they are not there.

punches you in the face Now see, this wasn't assault because I wasn't fighting you, I was fighting a guy who once attacked me but is not here. The punch just passed and you had your face in the way you antisemite. I'm sure Hamas was using you as a human punch shield.

Well a considerable amount of those were literally Hamas fighters, they don't wait until you're eighteen to sign you up for jihad lol

And yes it's sad that innocent people are always the victim of war, there's a lot of possible solutions which Hamas and the Palestinians reject so what's left? Israel just has to sit back and let them keep firing rockets and killing them because they built their tunnels under hospitals?

Incidentally the kids in the hospitals we heard so much about got taken to Israeli hospitals where they got world-class medical care, if Hamas hadn't contested the hospital and agreed to safe transit of wounded then this could have happened sooner. It often feels like Hamas want Palestinian kids to die and the IDF want to keep them alive.

That's, if you take "9000 children" for face value

By the definition given in this thread Hamas is absolutely doing genocide, what do you think from the river to the sea means? They openly and proudly state their intention is genocide and their constant attacks kill, harm and distress people - literally textbook by the definition.

Israel however loudly say they only want to target Hamas the terrorist organisation and they support a two state solution - to call what they're doing genocide you need to belive this isn't true, which I accept is possibly a valid argument but does make it much more of a grey area.

And no the fact that Hamas isn't able to kill as many Jews as they want due to logistics doesn't absolve them from anything - especially when crazy people are saying that we shouldn't support Israel and help them with things like ammunition, really feels like they do like genocide as long as it's Jewish people dying.

I didn't say that they were and your statement changes nothing

The short bus was missing a child. Thank you for finding them!