Biden considering executive action to close southern border, sources say

I think that's why framing the debate is so important.

1. This isn't magically closing the border, this is just adding a new punishment for a small subset of people who cross illegally. Whether or not it will be effective is very debatable (if barbed wire doesn't...)
2. We should be talking more about the backlog in asylum cases, why aren't we providing adequate funding for the courts to do their job.
3. Why do we make asylum seekers wait so long to seek asylum and get authorization to work, how does this do anything but place a burden on support systems?

And so on. This isn't about stopping immigration, it's about punishing those who do. [Too] Many will still support that, but it's a harder stance to take.

This is some straight up "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" shit right here.

Since many migrants often work construction etc. Perhaps they could be employed to build it. Just a rational stab in the dark here.

And yes we bitch about rent etc. The key thing to understand, is that rent doesn't really have a reason to cost as much as it does. The actual cost of upkeep etc for the buildings and property etc is a fraction of the rent. We've as a society demonized public housing, and largely refused to let any new be built. Or take care of the few that have properly. Because "reasons".

I've always been staunchly against illegal immigration for that reason.We're already in a cost of living crisis. The country is full. I wish the Democrats would realize that by continuing to allow illegal immigration, it lowers the cost of labor, and in turn and crushes the working class' collective bargaining power. I'm not gonna go vote for an insurrectionist traitor that will cut Bezos' tax bill to fix it though, but straight up, idk why people even want to come here anymore. 20 years ago, I get it, but now everything is expensive and you're not going to make it Washing dishes and picking fruit.

Democrats moving to the right to try and get republican votes isn't a great strategy. But they'll get to blame the left if they lose, and keep moving to the right if they win. Billionaire donors stay winning.

It’s upsetting to see him literally fighting for trump to win the election.

Strange that we haven't seen executive action being floated about stopping weapon shipments to a country engaged in a genocide.

It can't get much worse.

Actually, Im fairly certain it’s the other way around. The neoliberals have been making these same arguments for over 40 years. “Vote for this guy because the other guy is worse”.

You are the one who keeps doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

I know that probably hurts your feelings. But your feelings are also valid.

Biden is going to lose this election so hard it isn’t even funny.

Listen, I will be voting for Biden, who is clearly worlds better than Trump. But the idea that Palestinian Americans who won't vote for someone funding the ethnic cleansing of their own family members are "purity test" losers is...well, its a take.

I'm sorry if not supporting genocide is a purity test. Ohh, fuck workers rights too. And let's add on the endless wars/drone strikes that Democrats like also.

Enjoy having no standards and morals.

I am starting to think this is Chuck Schumers secret account with this dumb ass, proven wrong "for every liberal vote we lose, we'll gain two suburban moms" math.

It's amazing to me that you're more angry with the people who can't vote for an ongoing genocide, then you are for the fucked up undemocratic private process of the Democratic party that is forcing someone unpopular enough to lose without the left because of the genocide.

Also, you know when lgbt people say that they won't accept rights by abandoning their trans brothers and sisters? You're the blue MAGA fuck they're talking about.

Preserving a democracy that sacrifices people or commits genocide is not really preserving a democracy, it's preserving mob rule without protection for minorities.

You're in love with a process that doesn't exist anymore.

Biden has lost Michigan at this point. Biden is putting Democratic strongholds at risk with these policy decisions.

We need a new candidate and we need them now. Biden will not win like this, and no amount of water carrying on your part can change that.

If America was truly as progressive as some people thought, a third party could sweep the Democrats with a popular progressive candidate

In a word, no. The GOP and the DNC actively collude to ensure that no one else can compete.

No you don’t. Because you have 2 options: Biden or Trump. If you are considering Trump as a legitimate pick, then just say you’re a fascist

So our choices are 1) fascists who support a fascist or 2) ethnic cleansing apologists who are 100% okay with voting for the man supplying weapons and aid to those committing the cleansing.

Hitler was voted in.

Part of the problem with the political system of fascism is that it leads to scapegoating and then genocide.

We've got genocide right now, though.

If America was truly as progressive as some people thought, a third party could sweep the Democrats with a popular progressive candidate.

Yeah fucking right. Money is the number one determining factor in candidate success, and after that it is the organizational power of the DNC. How deluded do you have to be to think that ANY third party is going to be able to muster populist support given the current economic & political paradigm. I'm sorry, but that is just so fucking naive I can't believe you even tried to float that.

Imagine thinking that your candidate is above criticism for enabling a genocide 🤡

Go ahead and do what you're going to do. If someone correctly criticizing Biden for being too right-wing makes you want to vote for Trump, you never had any principles anyway.

Biden is a strong president and has done far more good than any president in the past 50 years but you’re too far up hasan pikers ass to see it.

In the interests of furthering discussion, what are some of these good deeds he did that you see as remarkable?

Great, now we're having spite Olympics. What's the point of citizenship if the citizenry isn't going to take the matter seriously?

They'll be in line for the death camps with the rest of us loudly proclaiming "At least I didn't vote for JOE BIDEN"

I already threw my vote away by voting for someone who continued Trump's fascist border policy. ThRoW yOuR vOtE aWaY wake the fuck up, Biden is just more Trump, and his supporters are just as unhinged and cultlike. All you do is parrot the same tired lies.