Golden rule

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Mark 10:17-25
The Rich Man
As he was setting out on a journey, a man ran up and knelt before him, and asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; You shall not defraud; Honor your father and mother.’ ” He said to him, “Teacher, I have kept all these since my youth.” Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, “You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.” When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions. Then Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it will be for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God!” And the disciples were perplexed at these words. But Jesus said to them again, “Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
That was Palm Sunday lol. Fuckin murdered the guy later that week.
- Nothing Christians hate more than people who are doing the exact same shit their supposed prophet did.
  Almost like they're worshipping the cross rather than anyone who died on one.
- 100% and they try to change the word "mamon" to "money" in "the love of ~~money~~ mamon is the root of all evil."
  Which they further interpret as "well, i don't love money. I just love the things it gets. Therefore, its all good."
  I mean, if Jesus meant money, he would have used the Hebrew word for money and wouldn't have switched to an aramaic word that means "wealth, over and above what you need to exist."
  However, you can't reconcile its actual meaning with American style supply-side Jesus.
  Another interesting thing is how the bible tries to blame the Rabbis for Jesus death, doing it via the Romans. If the Rabbis wanted Jesus dead, they would have killed him and they would have done so by stoning him to death.
  The Romans almost exclusively used crucifixion only on pirates, slaves or insurrectionists. Last I checked, there were no reports of Jesus being a slave or a pirate.
  Palm Sunday was seen as the start of a movement and the Romans conspired to kill him for it and nip it in the bud. The rest is spin. Presuming Jesus was real in the first place, of course.
  
  I think I agree on the first part Mamon represents a personification of wealth/greed which a Priest might say is really just another way of saying a love of self (e.g. pride). A message in this parable is "to whom much is given much will be required". As well as the "a man cannot serve two masters" bit.
  Jesus existed. He's perhaps the most documented pre-modern figure.
  Romans crucified serious offenders. That includes the categories you provided as well as thieves, murderers etc
  The Pharisees brought Christ to the Romans because they considered him a heretic and demanded his execution. Pontius Pilate found no fault in him and offered Barrabas instead. The Pharisees rejected Barrabas and Pilate, fearing rebellion, granted their wish and washed his hands of it all. While the Romans crucified Christ the Pharisees were his accusers.
- What we need to do here is find a way to liquify the camel's body and increase the diameter of the eye of the needle. Then it's really just a matter of patience.
  
  Perhaps we can simply process the camel and spin it into string?
  Once that’s over with we can use the same method to mass-produce Camel McNuggets.
- A rope through the eye of a needle, I think they realised it was a mistranslation.
  Edit: Biblical Greek "kámēlos" (camel) written in place of Biblical Greek "kámilos" (anchor rope/mooring cable). Neither are going to thread a needle, so I'm not sure what's bothering everybody.
  
  It is an actual camel through the actual eye of a needle. The "rope" interpretation is a lie made in the past few hundred years to protect rich fucks.
  
  I think there was a common saying “it’d be easier for an elephant to pass through the eye of a needle” to describe something really difficult. Camel was substituted in regions where they had camels but not elephants. Jesus was memeing irl for his local audience.
  
  Everyone's up in arms because it doesn't change the meaning at all. The point is its fucking impossible
  
  did you not read the context? He said to enter heaven rich people must sell their riches. Its obvious he's saying you can't be rich and faithful.
  
  I mean, in the context of the passage it's pretty fucking clear that it isn't an easy thing to do. It doesn't matter if the saying was slightly off, the message is "give away all your possessions in order to follow Christ".
  
  .....
  
  Possibly also "the eye of a needle" meant a gate in Jerusalem. Regardless, it doesn't mean what people think it means when they first hear it. Still has the same message, just less stupid.

- Hanging in there 👍
- Thats what I thought of immediately! :D
- Blessed are the cheese makers. 🙏

Can't wait for season 3!!
- Which show is it?
  
  Good Omens on Amazon
  
  "Good Omens" on Amazon Prime - originally a book by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman!
  
  That would be from good omens season 2 (positive its good omens 70% sure it's season 2 edit, it was season 1.), it's produced and released by Amazon, based on works by Patchett and Gaiman (they had all 3 seasons storyboarded before patchett passed, and everything is produced with Gaimans final approval iirc) they are incredibly different stories, and both entirely consuming to watch.
- Is season 3 even coming?
  
  Tis. Gaiman has said he's writing it now. Will come out next year with any luck...

He also said he’s the son of God. If you say that today in the right place, you’ll still die for it.
- Depends on how charismatic you are. You do it right people will build giant gold-plated cathedrals in your honor and kill each other for the pleasure of seeing you smirk.
- Actually he did not. The whole "Jesus is the literal son of god" thing was invented by the churches some hundreds of years after Jeus was dead. In the same wake Jesus never spoke about the trinity, that god would have three aspects. That is also an invention of the churches to make christianity more palateable to polytheist pagans, in the same way that christmas was put next to the winter solstice and easter onto spring where it was mixed with pagan fertility deities, quite literally being named after the Germanic goddess of spring Eostre in Englisch or Ostera in German where easter is called Ostern.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_God_(Christianity)
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter
- I am the son of God.
  
  It's true, I'm God
- well if you say you're getting visions from god tho

"I'm God, your great great [...] great grandmother did something i didn't like so i hate you and plan to torture you for all eternity. Please execute me slowly and painfully so that i can forgive you!"
- Everything about this is theologically incorrect.
  We live with the consequences of Adam's sin (death) which is a mercy because it means we can become sanctified and enter the kingdom of God instead of being eternally fallen. God loves you but hates your sin. God does not torture you. The experience of God is heaven for those that are sanctified but hell for those that are not. A poor analogy would be that a football game is the same for everyone but only those for a certain team are happy with the outcome. (Just to give an idea of how a shared experience can be different for different people) Finally Christ didn't ask anyone to execute him but he knew they would. He lived a perfect, sinless life. His death allowed him to enter hades and conquer death thereby freeing man from the damnation of sin and grafting all of mankind into the new covenant which allowed all to be saved through Christ.
  
  Adam was already mortal
  Genesis 3:22
  (22) And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: (23) Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
  Had they eaten the fruit of the second tree, then they would live forever, they were already mortal.
  Genesis 2:15
  But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
  A bit weird to get mad at someone for doing something bad/evil, when they literally didn't know what good and evil was and thus wouldn't know that disobeying god was a bad thing.
  And also strange that god lied here, seeing as they ate the fruit and didn't die (yeah yeah "spiritual death", why wouldn't god just say that if that's what he meant)

And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house a house of merchandise.
— John 2:15–16
And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money changers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
— Matthew 21:12–13
"Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.
— James 5:1-6

What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it is the meek who are the problem!
- I don't know if you get to call yourself the King of Kings and then complain about the Romans coming after you for being too meek.
  Its a cute riff, but crucifixion tended to be reserved for high profile rebellions (the Spartacus Revolt, the Maccabees seizing Judea, your suspected Carthaginian spies and interlopers) not vague niceties.

why does david tenant have snake eyes
- He's portraying Crowley in Good Omens.
  
  😮
  is this any good? I usually dont bother watching adaptations of things I like.

I mean, he and his closest followers/the apostles really thought the world would be ending sometime in the next hundred years and that his resurrection was step one of the Jewish apocalypse (which would eventually include a physical kingdom of God on earth)
The messages of kindness, love, and redistribution of wealth are great, but they've kinda been muddied since I found out it was started as a doomsday cult.
That being said: be kind, love one another, and distribute your wealth anyway

"Keep it Swayze."

Does "be kind to each other" include attacking them with a whip?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleansing_of_the_Temple
- Yes. He was justified in exposing their corruption and hypocrisy in a way they would understand. His house of worship was turned into a "den of thieves" where merchants were taking advantage of poor widows etc
  
  where merchants were taking advantage of poor widows etc
  Where are you getting that from? The bible says nothing of the sort. It says "And He entered the temple area and began to drive out those who were selling and buying on the temple grounds" Both selling and buying. Jesus cast out the poor old widows who just wanted to worship the way God told them to. The vendors were selling offerings that people could burn as part of their worship and animals to be sacrificed. They were providing goods that were necessary for worship at the temple. It is not at all clear what Jesus was complaining about.
  If we take it literally, I see two options:
  He did not like that there were burnt offerings and animal sacrifices, but Jesus alludes to the temple being a house of prayer, which is a reference to Isaiah 56:7 "their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon my altar; for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all people." The burnt offerings and animal sacrifices were intended by God.
  He just didn't like commerce within the temple. He complains about the temple being turned into a den of thieves, not about there being thieves at all. Which means as long as the den of thieves was outside the temple Jesus would have been fine with it.
  As far as I see, neither of these justify assault.
- They didn't say weather he was whipping when he said it, so maybe?
- Much the same as punching a nazi.
  
  Morally justified, for those wondering.
  
  wtf It's really not the same.

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