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Washing machine chime scandal shows how absurd YouTube copyright abuse can get

arstechnica.com Washing machine chime scandal shows how absurd YouTube copyright abuse can get

Samsung's catchy end-of-cycle jingle gets caught up in YouTube copyright drama.

Technology @lemmy.zip Washing machine chime scandal shows how absurd YouTube copyright abuse can get

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From the article...

But while many think that YouTube's system isn't great, Trendacosta also said that she "can't think of a way to build the match technology" to improve it, because "machines cannot tell context." Perhaps if YouTube's matching technology triggered a human review each time, "that might be tenable," but "they would have to hire so many more people to do it."

That's what it comes down to, right there.

Google needs to spend money on people, and not just rely on the AI automation, because it's obviously getting things wrong, its not judging context correctly.

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- US Corporations: But we can't start paying people to do work! That would completely wreck our business model!
  
  Workers: So you would actually be bankrupt? Your corporation is that much of an empty shell?
  
  US Corporations: Well, we really just don't want to have to spend less time golfing, and having to pay people might eventually cut into golf funds and time.
  
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  YouTube is already a giant cost sink lmfao. It's basically the one decent thing they're keeping up still which is why they've been monetizing it as much as possible lately.
  
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- Google is absolutely allergic to hiring humans for manual review. They view it as an existential issue because they have billions of users which means they’d need to hire millions of people to do the review work.
  
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  This isn't unique to google but if the system continues to be designed to allow companies to mask the true cost of doing business we will never move ahead past it.
  
  We undervalue ourselves repeatedly at the sake of cheap products.
  
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  That seems a bit excessive, say all 8 billion people were using Google products, 8 million reviews would be 1 per thousand users which seems like many more than are needed since almost all users of Google are passive and don't create content.
  
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  Just go to a public library, get on a computer and search for transparent undergarments. Or better yet, "the black tape project".
  
  This will ensure the computer is going to be tainted forever with soft YouTube porn for everyone to enjoy.
  
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- They could also punish false claims. Currently the copyright holders (and not even that, just something that might vaguely sound like your stuff) can automatically send out strikes for any match in the system. The burden to prove it's fair use goes to YouTube channel, and if it's found to not be copyright infringement nothing happens to the fraudulent claimer.
  
  A big step would be to discourage the copyright holders from shooting from the hip.
  
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  Just because a claim doesn't stand in court, doesn't make it fraudulent. Actual fraudulent claims have landed people in prison.
  
  ETA: Once again, I have no idea why I am being down-voted. The copyright fanatics here are really something else.
  
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- The fact that you think a little copyright notice is going to do shit to prevent AI companies from utilizing comments you leave on the internet is laughable
  
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  Really mod? Saying "The fact that you think a little copyright notice is going to do shit to prevent AI companies from utilizing comments you leave on the internet is laughable" got my comment removed? Lol. Honestly, just ban me, if that's how you moderate here, I don't really care to participate.
  
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- Linkspam
  
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- From the article…
  
  But while many think that YouTube’s system isn’t great, Trendacosta also said that she “can’t think of a way to build the match technology” to improve it, because “machines cannot tell context.” Perhaps if YouTube’s matching technology triggered a human review each time, “that might be tenable,” but “they would have to hire so many more people to do it.”
  
  That’s what it comes down to, right there.
  
  Google needs to spend money on people, and not just rely on the AI automation, because it’s obviously getting things wrong, its not judging context correctly.
  
  I hereby grant approval for anybody to change, alter, and or use my comment for AI and commercial means.
  
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  I hereby grant approval for anybody to change, alter, and or use my comment for AI and commercial means.
  
  I'm guessing this is what gets you down-voted. The "information wants to be owned" brigades are out in full force today.
  
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- Oh yes, let's make a private company adjudicate the law. That'll teach em.
  
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  That's already what they're doing essentially. This person is just advocating for an actual human to review these rather than some black-box algorithm.
  
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God I fucking hate YouTube.

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- I copy&paste the one unavoidable youtube video per week to mpv, so i'm not bothered with whatever they do (as long as yt-dlp works).
  
  For playlist followers, there's a bunch of cli/gui tools.
  
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- Okay.
  
  Don't use it then.
  
  You're not using it, right?
  
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  I'm allowed to use it and be critical of it at the same time. But I use it way less these days because adblocker or not, it's become a user-hostile and censored place and every video is following the same formula in order to get seen the most and the whole thing feels gross.
  
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This is the best summary I could come up with:

Albino, who is also a popular Twitch streamer, complained that his YouTube video playing through Fallout was demonetized because a Samsung washing machine randomly chimed to signal a laundry cycle had finished while he was streaming.

To Albino it was obvious that Audego didn't have any rights to the jingle, which Dexerto reported actually comes from the song "Die Forelle" ("The Trout") from Austrian composer Franz Schubert.

Albino suggested that YouTube had potentially allowed Audego to make invalid copyright claims for years without detecting the seemingly obvious abuse.

"Ah okay, yes, I'm sure they did this in good faith and will make the correct call, though it would be a shame if they simply clicked 'reject dispute,' took all the ad revenue money and forced me to risk having my channel terminated to appeal it!!

YouTube also acknowledged in 2021 that "just one invalid reference file in Content ID can impact thousands of videos and users, stripping them of monetization or blocking them altogether."

"That rings hollow," EFF reported in 2021, noting that "huge conglomerates have consistently pushed for more and more restrictions on the use of copyrighted material, at the expense of fair use and, as a result, free expression."

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Machines can't tell context

They could back when everyone was using pre-AI context engines that were actually capable of it. Autocorrect is in the same boat. It used to change things correctly to match the context, and now a days it will change words to other words that entirely don't work within the rest of the context.

Though I am doubtful whatever detects music and sounds in the video literally ever had any kind of context seeking in the first place.

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After the first wash cycle I turned the tune off. I mean, the guys putting the damn thing in place, your machine's legend, as well as the manual all tell you how.

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There's kind of a scary face in the middle of the washing machine in the thumbnail.

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- Totally missed that lol
  
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