YSK: Using dairy milk after being tear gassed or pepper sprayed doesn't provide more relief and has slightly increased infection risk. Use water or saline instead
YSK: Using dairy milk after being tear gassed or pepper sprayed doesn't provide more relief and has slightly increased infection risk. Use water or saline instead
Generally medical professionals do not vouch for using milk for tear gas despite it often being touted. The research seems to suggest they are largely the same in providing relief
Sources to back this up
That means bacteria can contaminate the milk and potentially cause infection if applied to eyes or skin wounds. Jordt says it’s better to use water or saline solutions to wash out eyes after a tear-gas attack
Another source of medical professionals recommending against it
And a study looking at pepper spray as well
In this study, there was no significant difference in pain relief provided by five different treatment regimens. [Water vs milk vs 3 other solutions] Time after exposure appeared to be the best predictor for decrease in pain.
They should try beer. Capsaicin is not soluble in water, but it is in ethanol. I don't think it will help relieve the irritated membranes tho.
I suspect beer to carry a similar infection risk as milk.
29Vodka it is, then
33The older I get, the more problems that vodka solves.
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Wouldn't beer have less infection risk because of the alcohol? Disclaimer, I didn't read any of the articles and have no expertise beyond drinking beer.
17Beer doesn't have a high enough alcohol volume level to be a disinfectant (recommended is 70+% ethanol, beer has 4-5%), just high enough to get drunk after the fermenting process comes to a halt when the sugar in the wort is sufficiently depleted.
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I would think that alcohol on the eyes wouldn't do too many good things to them, however
8Not really, no. It was more a tongue-in-cheek comment than an actual suggestion.
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If you want ethanol then vodka would be better than beer as it has fewer other components
3Yeah, and if you're into the pain it will cause, you can try moonshine
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Best practice is to use saline and a clean cloth to clean spray off with mechanical force
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Yeah but no. I've been tear gased, and water does nothing but make it worse. The capsacin is dissolved in an oil, and using water will only spread it over your body (and that shit hurts a lot everywhere it touches). Use milk, it will provide instant pain relief. The threat of bacteria in pasteurized milk is the same as in water, and odds are, after dumping milk all over, you're probably going to wash yourself off afterwards.
if you're gased, don't waste time following this bad advice. Take it from someone who's actually had been gassed, only milk works. Don't try water.
26The capsacin is dissolved in an oil,
That only counts for OC gas (pepper spray) - most anti-dissent chemical weaponry doesn't contain capsaicin. Milk won't do shit for CS gas, for instance. For CS gas, water is the only thing that works.
Considering how many different types of this shit there actually is and the fact that they can mix them up pretty easily regardless of what the law actually says makes a one-size-fits-all solution pretty difficult.
edit: did I just say a one-size-fits-all solution to this is difficult? Silly me.
12CS gas
Science Direct website says that
In contrast to other forms of chemical exposure, irrigating the affected area will only intensify and prolong the effects of CS gas or particles.
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As someone who has actually been gassed, it makes no fucking difference. Milk doesn't do shit. Saline doesn't do shit. Water doesn't do shit. Goggles do shit.
7What if the goggles do nothing?
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There are perceptional reasons why it may feel like milk worked better such as it being cooled vs using room temperature water. Or from being the second thing used. Or from various different factors
But the research above suggests it doesn't do as much as people think it does
The infection risks are not the same. Milk has stuff in it that microbes like for growing where water doesn't have nearly all that. Other stuff can enter inside. The eye infection pathway is concerning especially right now when bird flu seems to enter that way and is in large quatities of dairy milk. Not all pasturization methods are certain to actually remove it (i.e flash pasturization might not)
Edit: A minor point to clarify, capsaicin is in pepper spray but not tear gas. They often do get conflated but they are different
4For all the effort you've put into trying to convince people that water is the answer, it's reasonable at this point to ask you to try it yourself. Get yourself some pepper spray from the store, and then spray your skin. Try to wash it off with water. Wait until you're in sufficient pain and the water clearly didn't do anything, then try milk, and feel your pain evaporate. You can do this experiment in less than an hour. Report back when you're finished, or you can delete all this misinformation. Whichever.
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Yeah, if the irritant is capsaicin I would think that milk would wash it off sensitive tissue more effectively than water as capsaicin is more lipid soluble than water soluble. I think if you eat a spicy chili, to stop the pain you need to wash the irritant off your tongue and milk does this more effectively than water.
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I'll remember this the next time I feel like going to the US
17For pepper spray, in the army we had them rub baby shampoo in the eyes while providing them lots of water and sit in a fanned area.
For those that don't know army MPs have to get this done for training.
16I did medical support for cop trainees in texas doing the same thing. I appreciate making them experience it before they did it.
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LPT: Its better to be tased. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkMkGOpAF4s
13I've never been tased but I strongly suspect it would be taser, tear gas, pepper spray from best to worst. The effects of pepper spray is intense and long lasting, even when you shower after pepper spray will leave your pores and hit your face again, and maybe even run down to your junk if you aren't careful
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Milk of magnesia is a common first aid go-to in edit:those situations in my experience. Good to know.
5Leaf blower or strong fan to the face to help your tears wash away the papper spray is best relief. It feels better while it's blowing in your face too.
Kinda easier to handle while you are panicking and your vision is impaired too.
5What about Brawndo? It's got electrolytes!
4Ah we are in this stage of the platform lifecycle
3What?
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Capsaicin is not water soluble. It is only dissolved in oil or in alcohol. Washing with milk is better than washing with vodka. But water is 100% useless.
2You need to build up some tolerance beforehand.
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