Chrystul Kizer Got 11 Years in Prison for Killing Her Abuser. This Is Justice?
Chrystul Kizer Got 11 Years in Prison for Killing Her Abuser. This Is Justice?
What her case illustrates about the sexism and racism that corrupt our criminal justice system.
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What a shit article, it literally skips the most important part and makes it seem like it was self-defense when it was planned. What happened is grossly misrepresented.
This is from https://somethingsbrewingcafe.ca/linkpost/460154/ :
According to police, Kizer traveled armed from Milwaukee to Volar's home in Kenosha in June 2018. She shot him twice in the head, set fire to his house and took his car.
He deserved it and it's sketchy as hell they let him go when they busted him with home made kiddie porn. Regardless, it's illegal to take matters into your own hands.
63It’s illegal to take matters into your own hands.
The article is about justice, not “legality.” The question is about the size of the gap (or in this case the gaping chasm) between what is legal in our society and what is moral.
Any rational agent in this woman’s circumstances should do what she did. I understand that doing the right thing is often illegal, which makes some people uncomfortable, but you know maybe that’s why the gap between justice and legality is so vast. That’s why our Supreme Court is a joke.
18Any rational agent in this woman’s circumstances should do what she did.
I think that's really the crux of the issue. She didn't report him to the police but an other girl did and there was an ongoing investigation which she probably would of cemented if she came forward. Instead she resorted to what essentially is revenge killing and went out of her way to do it
I understand situation when taking things into your own hands is acceptable, like in self defense or when the law has really failed you and there isn't any other option, but I don't think this was one of those situations.
There is nothing moral about an ordinary citizen handing out a death sentence, without even trying to get help. Society has systems in place to dispense justice and I don't even think a death sentence is moral in those cases. Not to mention this man was most likely going to prison, had a mountain of evidence against him and had been charged 12 days prior to the shooting.
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When the law and authorities fail to give you Justice, you go ahead and get it yourself. Just don't get caught.
7People don't get let go with child porn. That's a hard claim to swallow.
3People are let go when they fully rape children, let alone for child porn, what are you even talking about?
3...what?
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No you're just running with the prosecution's theory of the case.
The article gives her account, which was denied to her in court as a defense.
One night, when he wanted to have sex and she brushed him off, she said she fell to the ground and he jumped on top of her, trying to force off her clothes. She shot him twice in the head, and then, the police said, set his body on fire.
2That's not the important part. A jury can ignore all that. The law allows them to look at how she was victimized, and determine that her response was justified in light of the violence committed against her.
The important part didn't happen when she killed him in 2018. The important part happened in May, 2024. From wiki:
On May 9, 2024, Kizer pled guilty to one felony count of second-degree reckless homicide, which carries a maximum sentence of 25 years in prison. On August 19, she was sentenced to 11 years in prison.[10]
It's pretty hard for a jury to acquit her when she enters a "guilty" plea.
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What she did was illegal, but they could have chosen to completely ignore it the same way they ignored her abuser's many crimes. The fact that they didn't shows which side they're on.
45The courts take a very dim view of people taking the law into their own hands. That’s what she did. We can all understand why she did it. But we really don’t want people going around shooting each other for revenge. It creates a spiral of violence that leads to societal breakdown. It’s the whole reason a justice system exists in the first place, going all the way back to the time when the king was the judge.
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Ahh clearly not premeditated. Lady clearly forgot she needs to put on a bodycam to film it all and some shiny shitstained badge to avoid all this nonsense.... she'd probably even get a job in the next county* over or a medal if she followed these simple steps.
*Edit cuz stupid autocorrect doesn't seem to think counties exist anymore
39I agree. If she would have a badge and uniform they would have simply suspended her with pay. She would take a few weeks vacation and carry on with her life like nothing.
I'm being serious...
18Is that true? The person she killed was an actual criminal and not an autistic child or guy armed with a sandwich.
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The premeditation is unfortunately what got her. Now, if she accidentally bumped into him while driving a car, however...
29She did the right thing with forethought and premeditation? How dare she!
5What got her is her own "guilty" plea. This case never went to trial.
2Thank you for your comment. It realy helped me decide on the clickbaiteness of the posted link.
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I think ultimately the sentencing is fine, the problem is that the criminal system failed at every step of the way... until it was time to punish her. He shouldn't have been let go in the first place. Since the justice system is known to handle harsher sentences to people of color, it's easy to be even more displeased with this result.
27Since she's going to prison, where her mental health will not be treated appropriately for the horrible things done to her by the person she murdered, I disagree, the sentencing is not fine.
I do agree that the "justice system" failed at every other step along the way. I just think it failed here too. She should be sentenced and appropriately confined, but not in prison.
24I think because they failed her, her actions are justified.
6Daily reminder that what is legal and what is moral have very little to do with each other, so your comment is incoherent.
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As usual, when the title asks a question, the answer is no.
24She ought to be given a medal 🏅
4I imagine that she'll get time served, since she's been locked up for a number of years since her arrest prior to sentencing. Also she'll be let out early, presumably, because it would be an easy sell to the governor and/or parole board.
The only real lesson she learned is that she could have gotten away with it if she'd never sent texts indicating it was premeditated.
A book deal and a nice life await her after this is over for her, hopefully.
1Vigilante justice is not acceptable, let alone a vigilante killing
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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/22/opinion/chrystul-kizer-prison-sentence.html
-5It is justice. Look at the facts on the case.
-8How does that boot taste?
1Normally Im all ACAB fuck the system. But the evidence in the case and facts make this ruling just even if it seems unfair.
Her abuser was a piece of shit, no denying that. And while the world is probably a better place with him dead, the means by which it was accomplished was illegal.
If the court had done anything but find her guilty, it just sends a signal to any would be vigilantes that if justice system didn't give you an outcome you wanted quickly as you wanted, then it's okay to take justice into your own hands.
While I do hope she gets a pardon and those who didn't take her pleas seriously when she tried to report him become subject to thorough investigation and permanently removed from the criminal justice system, we absolutely can not go back to frontier justice of people killing each other because the local sheriff and deputies didn't want to or know how to deal with it.
1Wow, bootlicker, term of '24?
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