Democrats keep getting new warning signs about Black voter support
Democrats keep getting new warning signs about Black voter support
Black voters continue to be loyal to Democrats, but there are signs that support continues to erode.
Black voters continue to be loyal to Democrats, but there are signs that support continues to erode.
Maybe do something to make life better for them instead of just relying on “yea we’ve done nothing but republicans actively hate you” because that just ends up with disenfranchised voters who don’t vote
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9I think you're exactly right.
9People always seem to forgot even two party system is not a two bucket zero sum game. There is always that third pseudo party around, the sleeping peoples party. Losing voters to sleeping peoples party is exactly as good way to lose the election as is losing voters directly to the main rival party.
One can also win an election, not by stealing voters from the rival, but from the sleeping peoples party.
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1Beat part is this works with black voters and non black voters too
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-4What? You mean do something other than just scream Republicans bad and scary?!?!
-7Fuck's sakes yes if we're talking about sliding into fascism.
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A good chunk of Black Americans are conservative Christian and would absolutely be Republican if it wasn't for the overt racism. Same with Latinos.
60Some of the people all of the time.
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A Fox News poll earlier this month found Biden leading Trump in a hypothetical rematch among Black voters by a roughly three-to-one margin, 74 percent to 26 percent. That may seem high, but it’s down sharply from 2020, when Biden won 90 percent of Black voters, according to Democratic data firm Catalist.
Pretty stupid of that 16% to flip and support the greater evil. Republicans are trying to outlaw teaching that racism still exists, they are putting in their textbooks that slavery, "taught slaves many valuable skills," and are constantly implementing racist policies and campaigning with racist dog whistles. Democrats are the only viable way to defeat them, at least until we can implement RCV.
51Well depending on how they count was there a flip or are the ratios different since certain amount of people have moved to the "not likely voter" category. So instead of flip, there is apathy among democratic voters.
Since they say among black voters, not among black population. Those are two different things and it matters which is it. All voting eligible persons, regardless of likelihood to vote, or just likely voters.
Since voter/not voter is not a fixed grouping, there is constant movement over that line.
8Exactly this, very few people are switching to republican. They're just sick of the Democrats doing very little they care about. So they aren't going to vote. The Democrats seem to of abandoned any real platform and are just running on not being psychopaths who want to destroy the government. It's not exactly compelling.
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You thinking they're stupid doesn't make them so. Your attitude has been the general attitude of the Democratic party. That being, "The other party doesn't like you so vote for us you idiots." That's a pretty awful way to keep people wanting to vote for your party.
There's also the fact that the Democratic party assumes the only think black people care about is their blackness. Because of this, they ignore the fact that a huge part of the black population has values that more closely align with the Republican party. The Democratic Party has taken this voting bloc for granted for years thinking that calling the Republican party racist will be enough and they can then ignore all the other things they care about.
-2You thinking they’re stupid doesn’t make them so. Your attitude has been the general attitude of the Democratic party. That being, “The other party doesn’t like you so vote for us you idiots.” That’s a pretty awful way to keep people wanting to vote for your party.
Like it or not that's how things work with first-past-the-post general elections. If one does not vote for the most viable opponent they are supporting the greater evil. Staying home or voting third party helps Republicans, who are explicitly racist by word and deed.
There’s also the fact that the Democratic party assumes the only think black people care about is their blackness. Because of this, they ignore the fact that a huge part of the black population has values that more closely align with the Republican party. The Democratic Party has taken this voting bloc for granted for years thinking that calling the Republican party racist will be enough and they can then ignore all the other things they care about.
That's like suggesting Jews should support Hitler because they like his economic policy. Hogwash. Republicans certainly care about blackness. They are openly promoting white nationalist ideology like the great replacement theory, and they have been the party of racism a very long time. Study after study shows Trump was elected because he exploited racial anxieties, and you think black voters will overlook this because of... values?
Specifically, what issues are you claiming are important to black voters that are not being addressed by Democrats? I'm curious what platforms you think are more important than not having their rights revoked and their history erased.
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lol the amount of BS politicians spew and people just repeat it.
question everything
-4Curious which part of their comment was BS
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God I hate that we have this two party system
43God I hate that we have this two party system
It's created by first-past-the-post, I believe most of our national problems would be immediately solved by RCV. It encourages politicians to work together, makes third parties viable, and would provide much needed competition on both the right and left.
1There is very clearly a party that wants your children to be ground up in a meat processing plant. The both sidesing on lemmy is goofy.
-1What? Is this a joke?
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Dems have been having an ongoing issue with communication. They have to get loud about the accomplishments.
38That's very true. Republicans are very good at establishing the narrative and Democrats tend to just live in that narrative. Democrats need to get a little brazen and assertive.
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about time, the Democrats have been taking Black Americans for granted for a long time.
make politicians work for your vote, no matter the letter next to their name.
33Democrats take almost all their voters for granted.
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Eroding support????? The dems have actually been doing work for once. What are you gonna do, vote for the other party that definitely wants you dead or at the very least abused and subjugated?
Jfc
29Or not vote, which is much easier given all the GOP suppression efforts. No voting by mail in some states, removing places to vote in certain communities so you have to drive much farther and wait in longer lines, no 24 hour voting so you have to take off work, strict ID requirements that cost money some folks don’t have, etc.
It’s by design.
14What are you gonna do, vote for the other party that definitely wants you dead or at the very least abused and subjugated?
You seem to forget there is a third option, the most likely option in such case. Just not turning up to vote at all.
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Sigh, no they haven't been, but we'll have proof soon enough one way or the other. Not that the press will mention it again after it's debunked... again.
19You're right. The article talks about a drop from 91 to 88%, which is small. Small numbers like that though can shift tight elections.
Biden won Georgia by 12,000 votes & over 3 million Georgians are black so a drop 3 percent could be huge. 12,000 is .04% of 3 million. Registered voters does not equal total population but a small drop could change the Senate or who's in the white house.
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"After a lot of hand-wringing in recent years, elections next month in Mississippi and Virginia — two Southern states with large Black populations — will offer one final, robust read going into 2024 on the extent of the slippage among Democrats’ most reliable bloc of voters."
Mississippi means NOTHING. They will not vote for a Democratic president and it has nothing to do with how strong or weak the black vote is there. They aren't a Democratic state.
Source, every election since 1980. Carter broke it open in the South in 1976, but that was because he was from Georgia. The only Democratic win in Mississippi in my lifetime.
Virginia has a similar problem, but they have been voting blue since 2008, it would be super easy to see them revert to form.
19This isn't about carrying the state, it's about using the election to understand black viters' engagement and sentiment. A weak showing among black voters could indicate deeper issues more broadly.
I'll say what I've been saying, I wish Biden had been primaried. He's looking less and less like a guaranteed winner and having someone else viably in the race could have helped.
The Israel situation is not helping (in the near term, at least).
12The Israel situation is not helping (in the near term, at least).
Yep. This is a issiue sensitive to many black folk in the USA as well. Democrats unwavering support for the police and more or less indifference to the worsening economic conditions for the black community at large will not help either.
Biden will also likely more formally deploy troops into the middle east after some sort of golf of Tonkin esque incident takes place in the Mediterranean.
More talk of war on terror after a pretty difficult recovery from the pandemic is not music to anyone ears, especially not the working class Black people who have a really hard time these last few years.
Biden is not the man who will get these people back on board.
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Tripe and Drivel.
7How so?
4You just can't draw the article's statements as even a reasonable conclusions without ignoring a whole host of things. They're largely comparing a general election to a midterm election, Rs show up for midterms more reliably than Ds, a drop is basically expected. Even compared to the previous midterm, that was with a very polarizing R in office, so we'd also expect a higher D turnout than one with a D in office. Plus add in consideration for the effects of voter suppression that's been building basically specifically targeted at the group in question.
This article is just bait created by someone who is either ignorantly or purposely misrepresenting the actual study's implications.
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