So apparently JD Vance wants to tax "childlessness" Make America Fertile Again: The strange bedfellows of the new baby boom agenda
Make America Fertile Again: The strange bedfellows of the new baby boom agenda
If only people could afford to have them…you dumb fuck.
Taking a page from Putin's playbook. Anything but to alleviate the cost of living crisis, which is the main reason for people not having children. It is also a thinly veiled attempt to reassert dominance on women.
We have this already. It's called dependant deduction.
Families and having dependents already gives you tax breaks, ergo not having kids already is taxing childlessness.
Ok. So let's talk about the two scenarios here if you can't afford kids.
In short. You're fucked either way.
Ahh. Lebensborn. I should have made a bingo card with all the keywords of Nazi Germany. The Trump administration has it all. Censorship, GeStaPo, apartheit against minorities, Reichsparteitag, ignoring the law, using emergency laws to ursurp the rule, concentration camps...
No doubt tax credits for white blonde children.
When the communists got the same idea in Romania, it failed spectacularly, filling orphanages with abused orphans
Yeah, we kinda need to go the other way on this one. A tax deduction for anyone under the age of 30 who uses long-term birth control.
Losing the incel vote will for go well for them
Counterpoint to JD:
I am autistic.
Surely you don't want me generating more autists, right?
Don't worry you'll be "relocated" soon.
Well, if I go like a month without posting... I dunno, send a recon team to look for me on one of RFK Jr's psychward/detox/farm labor camps.
I can assure you this is directed at white able bodied "normies"
I'm a minority with a professional degree in a profession that has more job openings than candidates, especially in rural areas like JD had grown up in. I know in my heart he would deport me without question, regardless of if I were American born, to the homeland of my ancestors. I'd imagine he would find my humanist values quite disturbing.
They want an Aryan nation as Hitler envisioned it. They're convinced it will be utopian. If not, it'll at least allow them to deify themselves as the white people they've sold the "master race" lie to are loyal to them to the point of self immolation.
Just don't eat tylenol, apparently.
...Eat?
Right right, my stupid autism brain is still stuck in 'reality' where there is pretty strong genetic inheritance, a heritability component to autism.
Ok, so new instructions are... apparently... generate a child by some arcane means, natural or unnatural, BUT, under no circumstances allow the target of my impregnation powers to use any Tylenol for 9 months.
I phrase this as cringily as possible to convey the concept that this is an incel tax.
It is a tax on incels.
....The only way this could even theoretically work is if it was also paired with a uh, Nazi style Aryan broodmother / assigned wife type program.
So, I guess, get ready for that soon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn
Somewhat of a sticking point:
The Nazis aborted pregnancies from the racially impure and those suspected to be born with a disability.
So... not quite sure how the theocrats will feel about that.
No see it’s fine as long as no Tylenol is taken during pregnancy
no worries your mom just popped a tylenol.
Nothing, and I mean nothing, can convince me to have a child.
And air fryers are the new plants.
He understood us.
What if we trapped JD Vance in the body of an immortal baby you could endlessly neglect?
I'd like evidence he isn't currently an immortal baby.
See, I'd still have to see, hear, smell the thing.
There is no element of a child under the age of say 10 that I enjoy at all.
That horrible shriek they make, happy or sad sounds exactly the same to me, makes my skin crawl.
No babies, not ever. Death before diapers!
This isn't how you get me to have a kid. This is how you get me to dodge taxes.
Yeah, I'll just start claiming nonexistent dependants. Or I'll start claiming my pets as my children on all legal documents.
Probably isn't that hard to get forgeries of all sorts of documentation like birth certificates, etc.
You know who this punishes more than just childless heterosexuals?
That's right. Couch fuckers. Unless his Chesterfield gets pregnant with an ottoman... 🤔
This sort of America-centric analysis neglects the fact that birth rates have also dropped to well below replacement in other countries with governments and cultures very different from those in the USA, and that neither expanding the welfare state nor attempting to restore traditional values has reversed this trend in the countries that tried that. Thus a discussion of either potential causes or potential solutions which focuses specifically on the USA is fundamentally incomplete.
potential solutions
Birth rates below replacement is the solution imo. It may not be wat the rich want, but I think a population of 8 billion is not sustainable.
I agree that the answer to humanity's most pressing issues is lowering our population, but don't think it's a non-issue.
The old keep aging out of the workforce, there's not enough young to keep a viable tax base, utter collapse. Here's where someone says tax the snot out of the rich. I'm down with that! But in a shrinking population, they won't be rich long. Directly or indirectly, all of their money comes from us.
Humanity is incapable of finding equilibrium with it’s environment. We are killing a myriad of species and destroying our own climate stability. This problem is exasperated by high population numbers. Lower birth rate is a good thing since it’s clear humanity refuses to adapt to its environment. Our greed is unsustainable, especially when coupled with these population numbers or higher.
This comment presupposes that “below replacement rate” is a problem in need of a solution.
Yes, in a few thousand years it might be a problem. However, population growth is a problem for the next few decades at least.
Can’t wait for my government assigned trad wife
Are you sure about that?
Ya she looks better than JD Vance. Couple a beers and she’s a beauty queen
I have two adopted kids, but no biological children. I had a vasectomy after the adoption was finalized. My wife and i have a theoretical decade left where she can (unsafely) carry a child. We do not want more children. Would I be fucked if this happened? What if you conceive but have miscarriages? Would you be punished for something outside your control?
The answer to all of these is probably "Yes, the cruelty is the point"
So basically all you single people are fucked. Tradcons are a blight on this planet
I've always thought it's insane we pay people to have children, but sure let's take that even further and tax those who don't.
White babies?
We need homegrown cheap labor to replace the immigrants we kicked out.
Stop paying taxes altogether, you say?
How? It's automatically deducted from my pay.
that's how I read it...
Small government in action.
They need everyone to pop out a ton of babies so we can have child labor replace the migrant farm workers they deported.
Child labor has a years-long lead time. The only way this would actually work is if they planned on staying in power for at least 7 more years.
So... yeah, that checks out.
It makes political sense for them to demonise certain groups. The childfree movement has been quite vocal (or at least well publicised) of late, and it's super-easy to cherry pick some of the more extreme viewpoints from that 'community' and weaponise it against 'normal' people, conflating those opinions with the so-called left (as if deciding wether or not you have kids defines who you are politically). It's easy fodder for the media and, as always, successfully distracts much of the population from the fact that they're being bled dry by billionaires.
as if deciding wether or not you have kids defines who you are politically
Which decision you choose doesn't define your politics, believing in the choice in the first place does.
Slaves needed. Inquire within.
Did JD Vance have kids by fucking his couch before his wife sat on it?
That's the problem, his wife won't sit on it, so he fucks couches instead
Is a plastic couch cover that old people have a condom, or is is more like a diaphragm?
The article is worth a read and is not about jd Vance. That's just a anecdote from the article. They touch on the different approaches and motivations behind the pronatalism movement. The article ends on a non-apocalyptic and non-proscriptive note.
Fun fact: humans are capable of parthenogenesis. No cases have been known to survive to birth, but they can induce miscarriages like sexual fertilization does. Since most early miscarriages happen before you are aware and would not be distinguishable from normal periods, there's no way to tell if you are experiencing one of these events at any given time. Therefore, I will be filing my taxes to reflect the 12 dead children I lost over the year. Does it matter that I have no fallopian tubes, and therefore would never have an egg implant into my uterus in the first? Not if every conception is sacred!
Look- just because he went through all that work and finally had an ottoman doesn't mean he can push those unrealistic expectations on the rest of us.
Really good article, imo. A quote I liked:
"When people see phenomena unfolding in plain view being denied…their reaction is not to turn away from the phenomena," as Anastasia Berg, author of What Are Children For?, noted in April. "Rather, it is to turn away from the deniers and toward those whose starting point is acknowledgment, regardless of their motivations or political ends. What this might look like in the case of denialism about birth rates is not hard to imagine."
Same in Texas, wanting to reward married heteros with children. I respond by not buying anything extra, depriving the economy of my single person dollars.
Another community for me to block!
God forbid you see us politics on (checks) c/uspolitics
Everything will be happy and good if I only look at cute puppies all day, la la la la la la-
Oh, whats that, the largest voting block in the US is non voters?
Huh.
Dang.
Seems to be a losing strategy, but puppies though!
You are already taxed on not having children because you cannot write them off if you don't have them.