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Rudy Giuliani, who pioneered the use of RICO when he was a US attorney, just got indicted on RICO charges

www.businessinsider.com Rudy Giuliani, who pioneered the use of RICO when he was a US attorney, just got indicted on RICO charges

Giuliani went from RICO charge prosecutor to a defendant in Fulton County DA Fani Willis' RICO case over Trump's alleged 2020 election interference.

BrainWorms @lemm.ee Rudy Giuliani, who pioneered the use of RICO when he was a US attorney, just got indicted on RICO charges

Leopards Ate My Face @lemmy.world Rudy Giuliani, who pioneered the use of RICO when he was a US attorney, just got indicted on RICO charges

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- What's this from?, seems familiar.
  
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  The old(?) Ricola cough drops commercials. They were huge in the '90s, not sure about since then though (I stopped watching tv a little after that period).
  
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- One day I hope to be this clever. For now, have an uplaw
  
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- Yes!
  
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- And then...
  
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  hehe, I’m old enough to get this
  
  now I’m sad
  
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If Giuliani had retired from public life in the years after 9/11 he would have had a positive entry in the history of the USA.

Now?

Well...

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- The praise he received after 9/11 was how I first heard his name. Shining example of "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
  
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  My sister lived in New York for a decade before 9/11. You do not want to know what the New Yorkers thought of Guiliani.
  
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  New Yorker here.
  
  It was out of town newspapers/media that pushed Rudy. Locals knew that he'd fumbled the terrorism ball dozens of times. Police and Fire Department were using incompatible radios and weren't able to coordinate efforts; his anti-terror HQ was destroyed on the day because he didn't listen to the experts who told him to put it in Brooklyn.
  
  No one in NYC was priaisning him on 9/12.
  
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  I have always felt this expression only applies to those who strive to be heros.
  
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- what's hilarious is he wasn't really all that good of a mayor. he constantly got in the way of the 9/11 response, constantly fucked people over as a prosecuter, etc. The only noteworthy "good" thing he did was be mayor of a a city, when that city became the site of the worst terrorist attack in US history.
  
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hahahahahaha, Fulton County Georgia is gonna get and release mug shots on every single one of these motherfuckers, and the court cases are going to be televised, ahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

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- I wonder if they'll sell collections of mugs, with the mugshots on them.
  
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  They could call it Mug Club.
  
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- Donnie has wet dreams about a televised trial. It’s just another stage to him. He’ll mug the judiciary and the left will draw back in horror and the right will cheer him.
  
  And the legal system will be left even weaker than it was before.
  
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  I dunno man -- I think Trump is dumber than Alex Jones and him taking the stand did NOT go well for him.
  
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act

"The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act is a United States federal law that provides for extended criminal penalties and a civil cause of action for acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization. "

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- Wrong RICO act. Trump was indicted under Georgia's version.
  
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- Oh man that's funny.
  
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you know what’s really funny? of the 40 counts on the indictment, Trump is charged with 14. Rudy? 15.

lmao

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- Trump is gonna be pissed that he got eclipsed...
  
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Whenever I hear this man's name, I must remind everyone of the time in Borat 2 where he began to touch himself after having drinks with (who he believed to be) a young news reporter (happens around 3:30) Gross old crone ...

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- And she wasn't even his cousin!
  
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This can be a side exhibit at the Men Killed By Their Own Inventions museum.

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You can't piss on the American People and tell them it's rain forever

Common sense will eventually prevail, and the truth is golden.

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- Please please pretty please let that be true.
  
  Since, you know, american people are getting shafted for many decades and still nothing.
  
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You love to see it.

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- Especially later in the summer!
  
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Didn't he also pioneer the "perp walk"? Can we pleeeeease see him and The Cheeto led down the courthouse steps in handcuffs? Pretty please?

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So a question from a non-American …. How likely is any of this to lead to actual conviction/incarceration?

What’s the feeling in the country? Is this all just likely to be brushed off?

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- We are in uncharted waters at this point. I don't think anyone could really answer this question with certainty.
  
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  Fair point!
  
  I’ve been pretty much shocked by a lot of the things that have happened in the last decade or so … kind of like “nobody would ever ever have predicted that, before ….”
  
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- Most of them, Trumps guilt is almost assured. However if he elected president again, he can pardon himself for his own crimes.
  
  These Georgia charges are very likely to land a conviction, at least on som of them. And as president trump cannot pardon any of these crimes.
  
  I personally doubt we will see any jail time for any of them. Maybe a house arrest or something of that nature.
  
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  RICO has minimum jail time of 5 years.
  
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  Terrifying that we’re in this state tbh. Those in power really do just get away with it …
  
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  House arrest with no internet would be enough for me. Probably the worst punishment trump could get tbh
  
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  He can only pardon himself from federal charges. Since these are at the state level I believe it would require the governor to pardon him
  
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- I suppose the fear is we will get a jury, in Georgia, where I suppose there is a high chance to get a MAGA fanatic, and you only need one asshole to sabotage the entire trial. This is always the risk with all jury selections, and the lawyers are very aware of this when they do voir dire
  
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- I think this one has the potential to stick. Not just because it's a state charge that can be easily pardoned. But I think it tells a story that even Conservatives in the South can relate to: a bunch of elites from the North storming in and acting like they're the ones in charge.
  
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- IANAL
  
  I put conviction for some felony at 99% going to real prison at 1%. There are so much that can go into this. Years of appeals, pardons, arguments for house arrest, etc.
  
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Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up!

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The definition of Irony.

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- It's like rain on your wedding day, It's a RICO case when your hair dye wont dry 🎵
  
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So much schadenfreude right now. It’s about damn time.

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Well, takes one to know one, ya know?

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