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Putin could attack NATO in ‘5 to 8 years,’ German defense minister warns – POLITICO

www.politico.eu Putin could attack NATO in ‘5 to 8 years,’ German defense minister warns

Europe sounds the alarm amid growing concern that the Russian president’s veiled threats against the military alliance could turn real.

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I hope he’s not still alive by then.

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- Doesn't he have cancer or was that just wishful thinking?
  
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  He likely does or did, but the waters are too muddy to have certainty.
  
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  He had some weird medical issue that some people guess is cancer. But it just as easily could have been overly cautious covid protections for all the info that gets made public
  
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  Maybe he'll become as paranoid as Stalin and kill all his doctors. Once can hope. (Sucks for the doctors of course.)
  
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And the more authoritarians win in Europe and the US the faster that time line is accelerated

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That would be a big mistake by Putin. Could be his last. And it will take more than 8 years to even think about it. Ukraine has deflated the Russian military. It will take more than 10 years for them to rearm

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- Last? He'll be geriatric at that point.
  
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  Then? He’s geriatric now.
  
  Ah, the miracles of plastic surgery and not moving your expression much.
  
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Ok but… how? With whom?

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- They need those 5-8 years for the kids to get big enough to hold the weapons.
  
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  But there won't be many more coming after that, what with all their men dead and all.
  
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- And with what weapons?
  
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So in Russian terms, that's like 40-60 years right? We're two years into a couple week special operation, so I doubt that they'll be anywhere close to being able to take on an entire military alliance by 2030 when they can barely handle a single former client state.

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hope he is decaying by this time

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- He's already like 90% decayed.
  
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  Still breathing too much if you ask me.
  
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I love mod drama 🍿

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How do I link the Noncredibledefense community?

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This is the best summary I could come up with:

An increasingly belligerent Russian President Vladimir Putin could attack the NATO military alliance in less than a decade, Germany's Defense Minister Boris Pistorius warned.

Following the Kremlin's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Russia has upped its aggressive rhetoric against some of its neighbors — including the Baltic countries and Poland, which are all members of NATO, and Moldova — prompting top European defense officials to warn of the risk of a major conflict.

Earlier this month, Sweden's commander-in-chief General Micael Bydén similarly called on Swedes to "prepare themselves mentally" for war.

In his interview with Der Tagesspiegel, Pistorius said the Swedish warnings were "understandable from a Scandinavian perspective," adding that Sweden faced "an even more serious situation," given its proximity to Russia.

Lithuania's Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis, an outspoken Putin critic who has been one of the loudest voices in support of Ukraine in the EU, on Thursday called on Europe to speed up preparations for more Russian aggression.

"There's a chance that Russia might not be contained in Ukraine," Landsbergis told French newswire AFP at the World Economic Forum in Davos.

The original article contains 494 words, the summary contains 179 words. Saved 64%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

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Probably more like 30, they're about out of warm bodies.

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Ah yes, politico, Germanys most credible news agency /s

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NATO would wipe the floor with them, at any point in time.

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- If nuclear powers went to war they would, together, hand in hand, wipe the floor with the human race. We're talking about the potential for 9000 nukes to get launched in this hypothetical war.
  
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- Yet still, unnecessary deaths on both sides
  
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(x) Doubt

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Thanks for the 8 sources of these 3 related stories :

From Germany you had 3 more sources which were :
Russian spring offensive could lead to war with Nato, according to German defence scenario https://www.intellinews.com/russia-could-attack-nato-as-early-as-february-bild-reports-307785/

Germany warns of Russian attack on NATO within ‘5-8 years’ https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/germany-warns-of-russian-attack-on-nato-within-5-8-years-/3113783

Leaked German military documents laid out a doomsday scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine then invades Europe
https://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-military-docs-envision-russia-war-nato-in-2024-2024-1

2 from Poland :
‘Europe will be subject to a direct Russian attack in the next few years’ — Polish PM Tusk https://news.yahoo.com/europe-subject-direct-russian-attack-150500271.html

Polish PM warns of possible Russian aggression against Europe https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/polish-pm-warns-of-possible-russian-aggression-1704315471.html

and 2 from Estonia:
Europe has 3-5 years to prepare for threat from Russia's side - Estonian PM https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/01/15/7437368/

Russia's attack on NATO - Kaja Kallas says there is 3-5 years to prepare and calls for stopping Putin in Ukraine
https://eng.obozrevatel.com/section-world/news-there-are-3-5-years-to-prepare-estonian-prime-minister-warned-of-possible-russian-aggression-against-nato-16-01-2024.html

Edits : added the one i missed. 2nd ed: corrected source.

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Removed for Rule 1 - Title must match the article headline

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lol the modlog from this post is hilarious

mods really trying to censor Russia because they're pro-Russia shills

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yes guys, we get it

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- Honestly the whole "putin bad" spam posting (not to mention scare mongering like this post) on the daily is getting tiresome to say the least. 😐
  
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  He is bad. The fuck you talking about?
  
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  oh I'm all for reminding the public that he is bad on a regular basis. just maybe not in multiple posts revolving around the same issue at the same time.
  
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Same story is being reposted multiple times from different sources, this one is first so keeping it and removing the others.

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- They're different stories about different statements from different countries. Estonia, Germany, and Poland all independently made statements, not as a single joint statement.
  
  If this is a policy going forward, it should be listed as a rule.
  
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  deleted // moving as a top comment
  
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  There are two types of propaganda, this is one of them
  
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  It's the same story. "Russia plans to attack NATO", we get it, you don't have to re-post it 6 times. 24 hour ban for arguing the point and abusive posting
  
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I can almost guarantee that NATO will do some tricky “in order to defend NATO countries we must attack Russia first” business.

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- When that doesn't happen I can definitely guarantee that you will learn nothing and pretend like you never held this moronic opinion.
  
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  “I can’t possible be on the bad guy team…. We’re the good guys!!”
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_bombing_of_the_Chinese_embassy_in_Belgrade?wprov=sfti1#
  
  https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/usa-only-17-years-of-peace.html
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat?wprov=sfti1
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion?wprov=sfti1
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_occupation_of_Haiti?wprov=sfti1
  
  … Gosh, I’m beginning to think that a US-lead NATO might not be good for global peace and that the US government might be the most reactionary, anti-progressive polity in the modern world. I’m beginning to think that I’ve been fed lies all my life by media manufacturing consent for unjustifiable wars! Operation Desert Storm, Iraq War, WMDs, War on Terror, the Nakba, the second Nakba, the overthrow of the leftist Guatemalan government and subsequent ethnic cleansing of the Mayan people (if you want I can keep going.) It’s almost like it has happened over and over again and Americans allies go along with it every single time because they stand to gain something from! It’s like any military organization made up of these psychopaths will only be used for destabilizing the developing world! It’s like our governments have an interest in keeping the rest of the world destabilized so that they and their supporting billionaires can profit from exploiting the world resources and labor.
  
  (Obligatory ‘Putin is a cunt’ because people on Lemmy lack the capability to think one person can hold both these political opinions at the same time)
  
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- Appropriate user name.
  
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  Yeah, that’s why I took this username.
  
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- They said, while Russia is literally in the middle of doing the sort of invasion NATO is warning against.
  
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- I can almost guarantee you're a Russian troll.
  
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- I see this as an absolute win
  
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What else to do? NATO is the one who been encroaching to the Russian borders for decades, even though it promissed it would never expand.

The good part is most of the arsenal of NATO has been destroyed and used up on Ukraine. Perfect timing.

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- Lol, ah the encroachment talking point. NATO doesn't force countries to join. Maybe if Russia was a better neighbor, they wouldn't have to worry about the Baltics requesting to join. Fucking chud. Also there was NEVER a promise. That talking point has been disproven over and over.
  
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  How do you know whether NATO forces the countries to join or not? From the TV and news? Or have you been in the meetings and heard all the details?
  
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- ”Most of the arsenal of NATO”?
  
  That’s just ridiculous. Not a single NATO country has compromised their own defense for this, which can be argued to be a bad or a good thing from either side, and most everyone’s been buying up new gear and investing heavily on new tech; they are, with a few minor exceptions, basically sending the scraps that’d go to landfill if it wasn’t convenient-ish to send them to Ukraine instead….
  
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- NATO encroachment
  
  Promise to never expand
  
  Arsenal being used up
  
  Oh wow, a full hand of Russian propaganda! I bet you'll get an extra couple rubles for this post, daddy vladdy loves cramming in all kinds of bullshit into a single package.
  
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  Firstly, do you disagree with the fact that NATO promised, in 1990, it would never expand an inch towards Russia?
  
  Has it expanded since then or not?
  
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