Taylor Swift threatens legal action against student tracking her private jet
Taylor Swift threatens legal action against student tracking her private jet
Some Swifties decry the cease-and-desist to Jack Sweeney, who measures public figures’ carbon footprints online, as unnecessary
Swift also bought more than double the amount of carbon credits needed to offset her private jet use for her Eras Tour, Paine told the Post on Monday.
What a joke.
98Yep. The problem is that 90% of offsets are fraudulent. So just buying more doesn't help
80I hate how carbon credits are a thing. It's just throwing money at a problem so people turn a blind eye to what you're doing and not actually helping solve the problem.
29Bullshit. Offsets are a serious market solution to climate change.
I'm actually starting a retail business for them. You can use Venmo, or Cash App, to purchase offsets for your day to day climate killing activities.
I'm even running a special. Normally it's $1 per mile driven, but today it's only $0.85/mile AND I'll throw in an offset for 5 pieces of petroleum based articles of clothing.
Once I've received payment, I'll send you a photo of the trees you just saved.
See? Totally legit. You don't have to thank me, just send me money. I'm happy to be doing my part!
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She paid some other rich dude so she doesn't need to explain her shiti behavior to brain dead fans.
Capitalism 101
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Flight information is public. Sorry you don't like that, but suing this student won't change the availability of that information, and anyone could take their place in running a bot.
89true, but for a layperson it requires a lot more effort and knowledge to find that information manually over visiting a single twitter profile. and if one bot creator is successfully sued it could discourage future attempts
-24They won't be, because Elon failed at this already. Use of public information isn't illegal. Aggregating and sharing that public information elsewhere or in a different format isn't illegal (and is likely protected speech).
If she's experienced some kind of harm, it's not because the bot exists, it's because the public information exists.
(Also, it's absurdly easy to track a plane. Search for "live flight tracker" on your favorite search engine, and take your pick.)
32Why should anyone discourage people sharing information which is freely available?
14I came across this site a few years ago. So, well within the capabilities of basically anyone. Just for free to all with no login, they allow you to search for any call sign and show it on a map, complete with path from originating airport.
They have a free account allowing you to do more with a single plane and 25 planes for US$40/year. Android and iOS apps available.
The most recent information I can get with a simple Google search shows that the call sign of one of her planes is N621MM, although other links suggested that she has more than one plane and has sold planes to escape this tracking.
Knock yourself out. Post it all over the damn place. Streisand effect FTW.
7I'm really confused why you got downvoted so heavily. If I'm reading your comment correctly you were just trying to point out the utility (to a wealthy asshole) of suing a bot creator. Rich people use lawsuits to silence their critics there's even a specific protection in California against that type of lawsuit.
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Maybe don't use a private jet then?
It would be a lot harder to track someone on a random flight in business class. And I can't imagine business class is more expensive than flying private.59With random peasants? Are you crazy? But then again, swift fans seems super nuts, so i wouldn't wanna meet them as well
31It would be enormously easier to track Taylor Swift on a random flight in business class, because the moment people saw her on their random flight in business class it would turn into a social media frenzy.
23Do you really think Taylor swift is just one person when she travels? And has two bags and a carry on?
I imagine the worlds biggest artist right now probably has enough crew and gear to fill an airplane by themselves.
0Do you forget what community you're in?
It's insane to me that people in the CLIMATE community will bend over backwards to defend a celebrity with a fucking private jet.Seriously though, will you also defend Elon musk and Jeff Bezos for their use of private jets too?
Or is it only ok when it's a "cool" celebrity?7
Now she will get to learn about the Streisand Effect firsthand.
58I came across this site a few years ago. Free to all with no login, they allow you to search for any call sign and show it on a map, complete with path from originating airport.
They have a free account allowing you to do even more (single plane) and 25 planes will cost you US$40/year. Android and iOS apps available.
They also have information on how to get or build the necessary equipment.
The most recent information I can get with a simple Google search shows that the call sign of one of her planes is N621MM, although other links suggested that she has more than one plane and has sold planes to escape this tracking.
Knock yourself out. Post it all over the damn place. Streisand effect FTW.
43Sweeney’s coverage, which uses publicly available data from Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and broadcast signals from aircrafts...
Morrone added that there was “no legitimate interest in or public need for this information, other than to stalk, harass, and exert dominion and control”.
There's no need for public information from the FAA and broadcast signals from aircraft except domination and control?
This dude has to be a republican.
42She's rich enough to be able to easily afford ANY travel type possible, without having to even ask the cost, and she chooses the dirtiest and most expensive one.
If she cared about climate change, she would just intrinsically understand that paying someone else to be a good person doesn't morally justify her being a bad person (aka, how carbon credits are marketed and sold).
Instead of taking a trans-oceanic flight, she could go on a container ship or sailboat. She's a musician and I bet these experiences would be vastly more inspiring than harassing college kids through lawyers.
For domestic travel she could use a vehicle powered by restaurant waste vegetable oil (WVO) instead of fossil fuel. Or she could take an EV charged by renewable sources. Ewan McGregor and Charley Boorman did a 13000 mile (21000km) electric motorcycle trip in 2019 from the southern tip of Argentina to Los Angeles called The Long Way Up, their 3rd such superlong trip, and their first on electric vehicles. They loved it and called it the future, and they had support from a prototype Rivian truck, which therefore advanced the space of electric cars as well. MANY people are doing this, some rich, some poor. For our climate emissions, there's no time left for excuses either for Taylor Swift or for ourselves.
40Imagining her bursting out of a container at her next gig
4You realize that the vast majority of her travel is for work right? And that large corporations, even the ones that employ famous musicians, tend to expect their staff to not spend a month crossing the ocean in between gigs. It’s also kind of difficult to provide consistent security for road trips to keep from getting shot like John Lennon. pool
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Swift: I've gained a lot of goodwill among people this last month, how can I ruin it and make myself look like an out of touch millionaire again?
40Starting to get curious, what did she do that counts as goodwill?
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Taylor Swift threatens legal action against person posting the same public information the jet itself posts (ADSB). nothing illegal about this. come at me swifties.
34Can't have proof you're a major polluter
34Haha, hasn't she learned about the outcome of the Streisand effect when Elon Musk tried to prevent it
(e.g. https://old.reddit.com/r/ElonJetTracker/)
I think all of this should be a motivation to track all kinds of private jets of billionaires, and make it as public/loud as possible...
32Transponders are, by necessity, public. What a ridiculous C&D.
28FOR THE LOVE OF GOD can someone please explain to her what a train is
24Not that i’m against trains, but to my knowledge there is still no railway that crosses Panama let alone the Atlantic and Pasific oceans.
9The United States doesn't even have tracks across all of the land-connected states. South Dakota and Wyoming don't have Amtrak - if I'm not mistaken they have no public train services and you'd need a Greyhound bus.
Alaska and Hawaii too, although those are least understandable why given their location.
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She is a selfish cunt. Only a selfish cunt would fly a private jet every where they go.
I can’t imagine how large this ugly cunts CO2 footprint is.
Looks like this cunt is upset someone is calling her out on her selfish shitty behavior. I hope more people step up to track her so she gets even more upset.
We should be shaming cunts this like.
17In this thread: People so upset about using the word cunt they are willing to ignore the actions of some celebrity contributing to the culture of excess that is harmful to our world, while at the same time making herself look like an uneducated child by tossing threats that have no bite. She's now Mini-Elon to me.
10That's the thing for me about this kind of ad hominem bollocks: the discussion invariably goes: "she's an ugly cunt" "no need for that" "why are you so offended" "you should focus on the point at hand rather than calling names" "people are so upset by a word that they lose focus of the point at hand", then the conversation just becomes about why we're not talking about the thing we were talking about.
Plus like, if someone's reading this who's worried about being ugly, they might feel a bit worse about themselves, and I don't think that's the kind of environment we want to cultivate. So, selfish cunt: certainly. Ugly cunt: bit far.
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bit rude innit
5I am glad you picked up on that part. It was the whole point.
She deserves it
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Jesus dude. You have agreeable points of view and then just destroy and legitimacy and sway you may have had with the playground insults. Maybe try and class up your language and people will listen to you more often. I know it's the Internet but damn.
3Just curious, do you expect her to fly on commercial airliners? Would you imagine the chaos this would cause for the flight. I dont agree with use of private jets, but I kind of dont have a alternative solution for transportation of famous people either.
-6She is selfish by using a private jet. It's wilfully rude and harmful to other people. Just like calling her a cunt, a demeaning use of a dreogatory term for female genitalia is. At least she can justify her cuntness under privacy. Can you justify yours?
-10Just like calling her a cunt, a demeaning use of a dreogatory term for female genitalia
Good. Fuck her and the horse she rode in on.
Are you offended? Good. Maybe be less of a swifty.
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It's astonishing to see the blatant anti-climate change comments here. Sure it's stupid to sue, but she's just been vilified by the GOP conspiracy theorists, is probably getting thousands of death threads by the crazies, so a little security worry isn't completely unsurprising.
So hey, lets pick up this disgusting FOX news propaganda about her jet and project all the climate woes onto this women! I can't believe how well this shit worked!
How about you put the carbon costs for her jet onto the consumer: Every single climate monster going to Taylor Swifts concert is ultimately the consumer for the CO2 released by her jet. I mean there are thousands of them!
Do people even know the impact her private jet has? Presumably she's also not flying alone but with her entourage. There are also new jet designs that are much less polluting, but our economy isn't working towards that, it's just maximizing profit and greenwashing. But hey, lets shit on Taylor Swift!
If you want to argue that all music concerts are evil, then do that. Stop listening to music made by the music-industrial complex.
The last despicable thing here is that it spreads the propaganda that climate change is a problem of individual behavior. It's not. Only a plan on a global level to transform our economy could have stopped it. But guess what, we've already not done it. And we're not gonna because of propaganda like this. So congratulations.
The level of stupidity really baffles me.
2Swift has been getting crap for the overuse of her jet for a couple of years now, this isn't new. She's been found to be one of the most prolific flyers nearing if not topping the list. It's also been found that she is flying extremely frequently when she's not on tour. Last number I saw estimated near 3 times a week at the most to fly back and forth to see a boyfriend that she could have driven to.
It's fine to say that it's all for security, but she's been flaunting it for a long while and any idea that she's including members of her tour or entourage on her jet is complete speculation. At a certain point we have to accept that she doesn't actually care about the environment. Which is fine, she's a billionaire and very few of them if any really do.
3Thanks for the info, didn't know that. But I'd still say this is a drop in the bucket and irrelevant to the solutions we'd have to target. Meanwhile this is politically motivated to get Trump elected and divert from climate change.
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