These are the privacy permissions that you grant for Meta's new twitter competitor

“Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

Zuck: Just ask.

Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

Zuck: People just submitted it.

Zuck: I don't know why.

Zuck: They "trust me"

Zuck: Dumb fucks.“

- Most Harvard students are still just 18-22 year old "kids". Think of how dumb/naive you were at that age.
- smartest people in the US
  The problem is that that is a very low bar to overcome
- Nah, it's just the kids of the wealthiest people and a handful of diversity admissions.
This is still I think the most telling glimpse into who the "ZUCK" really is. Looking at what meta has become, how it has operated... No matter how professional and respectable he acts.
This is who he really is.
- I don't it's a fair assessment - dude was just a kid.
  I've watched some podcasts and interviews and I think he's a much more complex of a person. I do genuinely think he's thinks he's doing good and I do think that Meta stuff is a net benefit to the humanity.
  Even if you hate Facebook it brought people together in so many places, especially if you consider developing world.

This is a reminder to lemmy users, that this new meta expriement will use the ActivityPub protocol, meaning that it can interact with other lemmy instances, please urge your lemmy instance admins to de-federate from this crap as soon as it launches!

But why? Isn't the whole point of federation that we can interact with people in other communities? Don't we want these big platforms to adopt ActivityPub? Completely walling them off seems counterproductive
Not defending Meta, just curious
- this is why
  there is a very good chance that this project by meta is the thin end of the wedge
  (edited to include "the blogpost", link here)
- Don't we want these big platforms to adopt ActivityPub?
  No. We don't. The more hands they have in the fediverse pie, the more influence they have over it. The more influence they have, the more control. The more control, the more at the whim of their decisions you are. The more at the whim of their decisions, the more power they have over you.
  This should be common sense at this point.
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
- Don’t we want these big platforms to adopt ActivityPub?
  I certainly don't. I abandoned Facebook years ago because of how BS they were getting with privacy concerns and social manipulation. Last thing I want is to bring those dumpster fires here. They join the platform, I will migrate to whichever Instances defed them or leave Lemmy entirely if necessary. Simply put, it's been a breathe of rational, civil air here. While it is early days keeping that hostile-to-humanity crap out of here is obvious minimum we should be doing.
- If they can embrace and extend the fediverse you know they're gonna extinguish it, too. They're s bad faith actor, we don't want them interacting with us or influencing us.
- We want individuals to adopt ActivityPub. Whether that be in the form of hosting new instances or contributing content. We don't want corporations here trying to turn it into something they can use to make a profit. Once it becomes about the money it is on a death spiral like everything else before it.
- Don't we want these big platforms to adopt ActivityPub?
  No. We don't. The more hands they have in the fediverse pie, the more influence they have over it. The more influence they have, the more control. The more control, the more at the whim of their decisions you are. The more at the whim of their decisions, the more power they have over you.
  This should be common sense at this point.
- Were talking about meta here, this is a bait and switch attempt (I see it that way)
  They launch their new twitter competitor, everyone moves over to their new twitter clone, they will try and hold the power on standarts of federation (like any big tech corporation that has a smaller rival that succedes more then them, see microsoft vs netscape for refrence)
  If they will fail with that, they will try to seduce lemmy and mastodon instaces with monetization and big money handouts, were talking about facebook here after all, they are not short of scummy tactics
- I'm don't know how the federation protocol works exactly, but I'm pretty sure Meta can throw more resources into it than all the independent instances combined. Again, I don't know anything about the specifics of the fediverse so I don't know if that applies here, but generally once you control more than 50% of something that does not have a central authority - you became, de facto, that central authority.
- Another really big concern I have is that activity pub by definition shares all your posts with any instance that hosts your followers. So if you have a mastodon follower on FB’s activity pub/twitter replica, FB automatically gets your data even though you don’t use it
- Another really big concern I have is that activity pub by definition shares all your posts with any instance that hosts your followers. So if you have a mastodon follower on FB’s activity pub/twitter replica, FB automatically gets your data even though you don’t use it
  The type of things they get are
  Your profile
  Whatever you post
  Who interacts with your posts
I don’t understand why people call Facebook Meta now
I don’t accept that name
It’s Facebook
- I believe they actually changed their corporations name to Meta. As crazy as that rebranding is.
but homeboy wanting to open the fediverse to Meta really still out here like "oh, there's nothing malicious here, not at all; water's fine"
- The last thing we need is meta clawing their way around the fediverse, id rather have them stick to their own bullshit

I bet they said something like "we don't use most of that information, we just need access in case we add a new feature in the future that uses it". And then it'll come out that they've always been using it, and it's been associated with your identifying info. And then their server will be hacked (because the admin password was "meta123") and the all the info will leak. The modern internet sucks.

They tried to use the same excuse with their privacy policy for oculus. ie they can even watch the cameras if they want but they promise they won't.....
- pinky promise
We need massive punitive fines for misusing data farming. Data leaks of health and financial information should literally put billion dollar businesses out of business for good.
If they can't manage the data they don't deserve it, full stop.

They could have saved time by just saying "Everything"

Or “yes, even that”
"What data are you collecting?"
Meta: cue Leonidas
"And what, Gul'dan, must we give in return?"

Crazy thought, but people don't need Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, any Twitter replacement, etc. I.e. ya'll don't need 'social media'.

You do know that Lemmy counts as social media too, right?
- Meh, not really tho, it's more like forums, instances/forums will never be as big as centralized websites for social media.
- Cake is bread but no one is making a ham and cheese with it.
  Lemmy and Reddit the individual user is just that, an individual. But on these other ones, you are encouraged to be a brand. Hell, it's almost expected. And they are just platforms of false affirmation because it's only positive reactions.
  So whole yes, this does fall under social media in a broad sense, I would argue it's in a very different category.
- Yes, and I'd also argue that we don't "need" it. It's certainly a good tool you can build to suit your needs/wants like news, funny stuff, etc, but we can also go without. The big difference between social media really is whether you are the product or not.
People really don't. I deleted my FB for years and quit using it. Whole time I've been telling people that it's poison for your mind.
After a few years of not using it I'd forgotten that and began to wonder if it was true or if maybe it was just my mental state at the time.
Solved that question easily. Reinstated my account a few days ago to get in touch with someone and found myself creeping like I used to.
What did I learn immediately from that? It REALLY IS POISON!! It's horrible for your head!
After going without it for a while I effectively had my "blinders" on and was only focused with my daily life. I've been the happiest I've ever been this year.
Within a half hour of browsing Facebook that peace of mind had vanished! I was once again focusing on the lives of others more than myself. I was thinking of things I could post to show that I have a "life" just like them. I checked on people who didn't like me in the past and found myself perceiving their comments or memes they've posted to be about me. I thought to myself "I'll show them, I'll do this and this, wait until they see it!"
I also found myself feeling lessed blessed than I am. Suddenly my recent accomplishments didn't seem so grand in comparison to all the happy pictures I was seeing. My simple life and simple job seemed like it wasn't enough anymore. I didn't feel enough.
I checked up on my exes, women I've been GLADLY apart from for years and got jealous of how well they seemed to be doing in comparison to what I had going on in life. Little things like them having a partner. This was major irony because I've had the chance to have these partners back and it was a hell no.
So quick. Didn't even browse a full hour and it almost killed the peace of mind I've been working all of these years to obtain. I quit browsing, thankfully.
That night when I laid down, I didn't sleep restfully. Instead of my usual happy thoughts routine while drifting out I had all kinds of negative emotions pop up.
It took me a day or two to snap out of it and focus on what I'M doing in life without the worry of others.
Being connected to others is great. Constantly comparing ourselves to others and thinking about them instead of channeling 100% of our energy into OUR lives is not good for anyone.
I feel like we just haven't evolved to handle that properly. In a small village it's important to keep an eye on each other and care about each other.
Caring about, comparing and keeping an eye on everyone in the entire world? No. We're not meant for that.
What strangers are doing is knowledge I just don't need, unless they're posting self help videos or.. anything beneficial really.
99% of the posts I saw were just "Look what I bought! Look how awesome my life is! Vacation!!!"
And people being super fake.
Fb was cool when we just posted text of how we were actually doing. I cared about that sometimes. That wasn't detrimental to my mental health. Everyone acting like their life is perfect isn't good for anyone bc it makes you wonder why your life isn't that "good" not realizing you're just not being informed of all the struggle, or luck that pays for lives that lavish.
Idk much, but I know that shit is poison And could rant about it more but.. Lemmy don't need my pants. Typo, Lemmy don't need my pants, okay I mean rants there but pants is valid too.

Lol not sure why people are surprised

Yeah, as people would expect seeing something else here.
Stay fucking away from facebook, meta and zuckerberg as much as you can people
I (and probably others) are surprised that it's so brazen. I think most companies wouldn't dare do this. Not because they're morally superior, but because it's such a bad look.
I don't think it's surprising to anyone that has seen any of Metas terms before. The people on FB that repost all the BS about Facebook charging for access probably have no idea that they are the product. Too many people would gladly give all that info away because they don't know any better

Let's not forget that they were fined $5 billion for deliberately misleading users about how their personal data was used in regard to the Cambridge Analytica scandal that effectively swayed over 200 elections all over the world, including both Brexit and Trump's 2016 presidential campaign.
Seriously, everyone seems to have forgotten about that shit and it's fucking insane.
- Precisely why I don't use Facebook anymore. Fuck 'em.
- I never heard about this. What happened here?
I can see you put in /s but for anyone who really doesn't know Meta(previously Facebook) was basically constantly in court for various data violations. Anything you give them, they will be selling it and rarely will it be within their own guidelines let alone the law.

Fuck off Zuck you fucking weirdo

Seems reasonable. Where do I put in my social security number and mother's maiden name?

You can also include your passport ID and bank information in the “extra notes” field. Thanks for all your data! 🙏
- Is Passport ID really sufficient? Might be better to just ask for a verified picture of the entire passport, gotta make sure they are who they say they are!
"In order to complete the sign-up process, please verify you are a human by sending us this vial with a sample of your blood"
- inserts needle into vein
  "This is getting ridiculous, I'll send them my blood, and I'll drink the verification can, but I won't dance while doing it! That's my line in the sand."
Insert the probe and we'll get all that for you.
Funny enough, you could probably edit your comment with them and it would be more secure than giving it to Meta just because lemmy has less digital footprint than the advertising list that you personal info will be added to.
- I am dming you my bank login details. Thanks for your care!

Lol fuck that, I’ll stick with mastodon

I think they're using an instance of mastodon
- No. They’re using the fediverse, which includes instances of mastodon, but they are making their own client/web portal/whatever you wanna call it. They’re making their own version of the thing that mastodon is, and their versions will be on the same network that mastodon is on.

That's a big nope from me lmao. Mastadon seems to have alot of the important accounts I follow from Twitter. Liking it so far, no algorithm playing with your feed, no corporate advertising (unless you subscribe to it), no blue checks spreading insane conspiracies.

I’d love for this to be true for me (if only to use ivory) but the only things I manage to find are mirrored Twitter accounts, which I assume aren’t forever.
Did you just manually look for the things you cared about?
- Yes. I've searched manually for most of mine based on my people i follow on Twitter, they are not all there, and they will be missed. I've got a few mirrored accounts I'm following, but it's not the end of the world if they get cut off from the blue bird (they are mostly sports team feeds). I have also gone back to RSS feeds for my news feed. I like the social aspect of Twitter, it's just turned into a hate platform that scientifically exploits its users by making it addicting to doom scroll. And the interactions I've had on Mastadon/Lemmy are way more wholesome than there, fediverse really does remind me of the early days of Digg/Reddit/Twitter.

I'm asking myself how people can accept these conditions. There is a huge work of education on privacy to be done.

There should be some sort of OS-level flag that appears before downloading to inform users along the lines of "This application requests access to more permissions than typical apps in this category do. Are you sure you wish to proceed?" Maybe with a link to an informational site about how apps can use your data and why protecting your privacy is important.
- At this point we should really be petitioning Congress. Yeah, I know, I know, but still.
- Whilst that would be fantastic. I highly doubt google or apple are even going to entertain the idea, especially when you want to download one of their apps.
- Whilst that would be fantastic. I highly doubt google or apple are even going to entertain the idea, especially when you want to download one of their apps.
- The Aurora Store for Android has this warning. I steer people I care about to Aurora Store for this reason.
I think what people need are clear examples, concisely expressed, of the explicit harm experienced by forgoing a certain quanta of privacy, since the benefits are apparent (eg gain access to a certain service/community/etc).
- You'd think the dystopia of China and what they did to Hong Kong would be enough. We hear scary stories about China that you think people would want not want that here. Or episodes of Black Mirror.

So, what do they not collect?

Tax returns
- I'm sure that counts under, "Other data"
Dirty laundry.
- Hi mcepl.
  We thought at this time you may be interested in this special offer from our friends at Proctor and Gamble.
Your innermost thoughts, but only because they haven't figured out a way to get them yet.

Well, that's a big nope....

I've said it here before and I will say it again: Facebook and Google's entire approach to ads from data is based on an incorrect assumption of using enough data to build a profile on a person to predict what they are going to be interested in, when if you stop and think about it, it doesn't make any sense: people's needs will always change with circumstances at the time, ex. no amount of data in the world will help you predict whether I'll want a burger or Thai food for lunch tomorrow even if you do the digital equivalent of creeping on me outside my window and digging through my trash can. If you want to know what people want to buy, why not ask them?

Unfortunately, they've deluded themselves for more than a decade with the lie, so now the rest of the world also think that internet ads by them actually works.

I'm not going to rag too hard on Facebook here because most thing has been said by others already, but I will say that since literally every single one of their social media product took the same approach of maximize data to sell things, why is it that they are all losing people and their most successful place at selling things is actually Facebook Marketplace?

I agree. I hate the idea of Meta or anybody having that much data on me in one place. However - - even Amazon, which supposedly has some of the most sophisticated purchase data and analytics out there doesn't seem to be able to do anything with it. I mean, I buy a blender there and the next thing they recommend to me is... A blender. That only stops until I buy something else which they then continue to recommend more of, as if I only want multiples of the exact things I've already purchased. The recommendation engine is the whole point of having my data to begin with so but they seem unable to recommend anything new to me at all.
It's like they have all this information written in front of them but they can't read.
- Amazon's recommendation engine feels like it is still designed for media, even though they sell everything now. Buying a blender doesn't mean you want more blenders, but buying a science fiction novel probably means you want more science fiction novels.
While I hate the shady data harvesting practices of companies like Meta, I do want to play devil's advocate here, as far as the value of data goes, if only for the sake of me understanding the shortcomings of it better. If a company were to dig through your trash can to get an idea of what you want to eat, so to speak, they'd probably find data on a history of foods you have eaten, if you've been interested in burgers, or any other foods you've been interested in. Or if you've been an adventurous eater in general or if you prefer to stick to variants of the same stuff you normally eat.
It may not give you a foolproof way of knowing what your next actions will be, but wouldn't it give a company an educated guess, at the very least? Enough to improve the chances of targeted ads being more effective, as opposed to missing altogether.
If catching the user's interest is a dice roll, then wouldn't the data at least improve the odds of rolling a number you want?
- Ok, think of it this way, if your friend ask you for a local restaraunt recommendation, would you dig through their trash to find their leftover to figure out what kind of food they like, or would you just ask them what they usually like to eat?
  That's why people went to forums like reddit for help with everything, because people helping people with volunteered info always work better than being a creep.
Ads are so backwards in general.
Why would I trust a brand just because they inconvenience me for 30 seconds before I can watch a YouTube video I'm actually interested in? Or the branding that interrupts me reading an article with a "trendy and hip", horribly made auto-play clip that bolsters an audio volume level so high, it almost deafens me?
I almost actively avoid products that I see advertisement for on a daily basis because they piss me off so much.
I get wanting to promote your product and it's not the company's fault that many places aggressively spam ads in your face to nickle and dime their user base.
I really feel like ad revenue should not be based on how many ads you show, but how much return the advertiser gets. Google's ad service has a return of about 4%, which means for every 100 bucks a company pays to Google to advertise a product, they can expect to recoup 4. I dunno how that is even worth it.
- And yet, it continues... I think they're thinking that brand recognition is all that matters and that eventually you'll come around and get Geico or Use some product that has been assaulting you for months simply because you've seen it enough and it's stuck in your mind. Honestly, I would rather have a customer associate good thoughts with my brand, but no one seems to ascribe to that thought anymore....
I agree with what you say as one aspect of it. But there could be insidious uses of your data. What if your insurance company pays a couple of raccoons to sort through your trash and find out you eat fatty burgers and fries for most meals? When the raccoons get back with that report, what is to prevent your insurance company from raising your premium since you are at risk (according to them) of a heart attack?
They can't identify particular and specific interests, but they definitely can predict trends on consumer behaviour. I don't think Google wants your data to predict when you will want Thai. That's preposterous.
They are reaping billions on ad revenue, it definitely works, it won't forever, but it does at the moment.
The issue is that while even if they build a perfect profile, they are still limited by which advertiser is paying more.
Google might know you don’t like cheeseburgers, but CheeseBurger Inc. just paid $200 million to have ads run, so you’re getting cheeseburger ads so that Google can’t report to the client that they’ve served ads.
They do their best to get your money. They monitor your past behavior to know what you're likely to listen to in the future. For example, if you eat basic burger/fry foods, they'll send you more ads for those types of places, but if you tend towards Mediterranean, then they will send you those places instead. As another example, dog food ads aren't worth sending to people who don't have dogs.
What I worry about is Alexa and the other voice boxes. Every time we talk about getting food around it, I open my phone and have ads for the places we were talking about. That's literally creeping on someone.
no amount of data in the world will help you predict whether I’ll want a burger or Thai food for lunch tomorrow
they TELL YOU want to want. that's why you see ads for fat juicy burgers. will everyone who sees those ads go out and get a burger? no. but a few do.

Don't allow Zuck and the billionaire anti-democracy tech bros into Federation.

It's missing something about first born son offering.

This. We're all bashing on reddit but the reason why I went to reddit and then here was to take a break from meta-owned social media. They don't only take and sell our data, they also exploit small businesses and creatives by making them pay or post several times a day for "visibility" (translation: not to be shadowbanned) without providing anything back.

Data this app collects: yes.

"other data"

This app will know whether or not you're circumcised

Yes but it didn’t take.

There's some fediverse Instagram clone instances known as pixelfied and plemora, check out fediverse.info

When Instagram replacement on Fediverse? Fediverse also needs youtube replacement. Lets go all the way and hit these greedy mfers where it hurts. Unfortunetly my dev skills are poor, but I can offer moral support.

Fediverse won't likely see a video replacement for YouTube. Data is heavy and expensive.
- https://joinpeertube.org/
you're in luck, both already exist. check out pixelfed and peertube.
- Thanks! I had never heard of pixelfed.

i don't know why anyone would want to go from something as bad as twitter to a Facebook owned twitter

Most people really don't care :/
- Those people are why we have so many problems in the world.
"Do you find your embarrassing relatives on Facebook do too much contemplation and self-censoring before posting? Have we got a service for you!"

I know meta is shit anyways, but what is the idea behind their Twitter competitor, like what is their selling point?

All your friends are there already
We don't rate limit you like twitter
Sadly, that's likely all they need at the moment
- Luckily, most of my friends are not there.
I've read comments saying that people flee facebook to instagram already in last 4 years as it become ridden with unrelated content and features nobody wants (obviously). People want to mainly share their photos so they went for instagram as it seem to fit their needs and perhaps meta tries to capture the audience there with their new shiny thing. The fact that musk is successfully killing off twitter might also affect their decision to bring this "killer app" up - they want to reach those who have twitter, who tend to get news from there (not mention fb also tries to be a news provider). It's all about trapping people within meta walled garden.
Years have pass by and zuckerberg still tries to be an answer to all activity on the Internet with this ad and tracking ridden freak show - nothing new happens here, I'd say.
- Instagram is also turning to shit, it's just reposted content from tiktok, they're really pushing the reels over images. I joined Instagram because I liked the photos, if I wanted to look at tiktok content, I'd use tiktok.

Can anyone explain how these are different from the data Meta already collects from its Facebook, Instagram, and Messenger users? I've been slowly moving my online presence away from Meta products, but I feel like Threads isn't going to do much better than BlueSky, or Hive, or Post, or even our beloved Mastodon.

I doubt they are that different, so this should not be a shock to an existing member of the Meta ecosphere. it would be ideal however if those who are not already part of Meta’s userbase saw this and just decided not to join.
- Yeah, I've been trying to get away from Meta for a while. It's difficult because of my job and the fact that I live far away from family. Been getting a few people here and there to make the Fediverse switch; the lack of an abusive algorithm, ads, and data mining have been the selling points for them. Gonna check out Friendica this weekend, but I dunno. Might just stick to Mastodon and Lemmy for now.
I doubt they are that different, so this should not be a shock to an existing member of the Meta ecosphere. it would be ideal however if those who are not already part of Meta’s userbase saw this and just decided not to join.

User: So how many permissions does your app need?

Threads: Yes!

They misspelled their service, should be: threats (to your privacy).

If we're going to cast the Zuck as a sci-fi android, I'd put him as closer to Isaac (The Orville) than Data.
He may want to consume data about human interactions, but you know he's going to pepper any conversation with the phrase "inferior biologicals."

Sadly people will still jump there. It will eventually overtake Mastodon in numbers because people are dependent on the convenience of walled gardens.

Financial Info, Identifiers, Sensitive Info... Woudn't it be easier just to give them my wallet and passport.

Hell give them your Social Security card.
Wouldn’t be enough information

Is that.. all of them??? Lmao

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Meta is sickening. You have to have it for promoting events, artists and such, but it’s toxic and needs to be replaced.

As a music artist, I don’t know how to avoid platforms like Instagram and such while still promoting my art.

Have you tried bandcamp for music purposes? I use it for discovery and it seems less evil than others. Also I like that it gives FLAC downloads. Not sure about events though.
hmm print pieces of paper, use songkick.com, and then take pictures of the pieces of paper & songkick promos and put them on your facebook page 😎

Are people really going to sign up for another Meta site? I'm sure as shit not. I finally deleted my Facebook account a couple weeks back, and I'm feelin' free!

I assume you wouldn't need to sign up. If you already have a FB or Instagram account, you would just be able to log in directly
I only have a Facebook so I can save data on games that don't accept google. That and so I can download my dad's posts to send to friends, but i just based it off one of my ocs so it's not even me on there

do they also need nude pictures of me?, or with the blood type and a medical history is enough

Naw, they already have those.

To this day I have refused to download messenger for mobile since "needing it" is totally bullshit since you can just hit "view desktop site" in Chrome mobile. Won't ever get this bs either.

You're still using messenger, though. I'm sure they can farm enough data out of you from the browser.
- Yeah just stop using the s*** altogether. There are some s***** corporations I have to Play ball with. I have contracts with work for instance for people that insist on me using proprietary Microsoft software when I edit/file written work. But I refuse to use Facebook / meta. I suppose the only way I would ever use it is if I had a job that absolutely required it for some reason and that I could not live without.

Seriously I am already struggling to get meta out of my life enough to sign in to a new service with them.

"sensitive information" I think...a good chunk of this is already sensitive information what else do you want T.T

Here's the definition as defined by apples store requirements:
Sensitive Info Such as racial or ethnic data, sexual orientation, pregnancy or childbirth information, disability, religious or philosophical beliefs, trade union membership, political opinion, genetic information, or biometric data
src: https://developer.apple.com/app-store/app-privacy-details/
My guess is they will probably ask for your gender or face scan etc.
- O thank you!

What not even call logs? Lame

Meta knows they can’t fix their terrible privacy record so they might as well milk it.

Where do I sign?!

How invasive is this really when compared to the first party Twitter app?

Not sure about Twitter, but I checked last night and these are the same permissions as Instagram.
Does the twitter app collect health data?
- I don't know, but I don't believe they're limiting themselves beyond the law.

Well if you download a Facebook owned app you should expect this.

I feel like they just went down the list of permissions and said yes to everything, they probally actually log it all too, disgusting

Isn't that just...everything?

Like is there anything they aren't requesting?

The user interface to display what is granted by using the app is... so sanitary. It disguises the ultimate goal of these insidious apps in such a clean and sterile list that it really seems innocuous. I wish that A$pple would start to display an intensity of how much data is collected by these apps. Green for good, red for bad, gradient for in-between. Or something... I suppose that accessibility for colorblind is important oto. Then it would be a bit more obvious to users when an app is really out to get them vs trying to improve performance.
How clean your bedroom is.
For now, anyway.

Dont have Instagram or Facebook won't be getting this either.

I cant believe apps tracking user data this much can even be allowed on app stores

Why? The companies that run the app stores are just as bad (Google/Apple). In fact, those companies are probably the worst culprits in this aspect.

It's a perfectly named app. They're pulling on the thread of privacy protection until it's all undone.

Don't forget to report it inside Play Store. All of these permissions are not required, thus the app is breaking store rules.

Instagram has all the same stuff and it’s been there for years. Bet it’s also the case with Facebook
They're not permissions, they're the types of data that may be collected. Every popular closed source app has a similar obscene list of private data they may collect, but in most cases it's the user that chooses to provide that kind of information voluntarily anyways.
What do you mean its not requierd, but then how will meta sell your data and make billions?/s
It’s meta. Unfortunately I’m sure their lawyers can come up with dumb bullshit excuses for every one of these.

Holy shit! That’s terrifying, especially from a company like Facebook

Does it want a semen sample too? Christ.

Twitter has the same amount of required permissions tho. Of course it collects a lot more data than any fediverse application or site but for proprietary software its about average

All the more reason to never use any of them.

So, all that isn't even enough, "other info" is needed too? This honestly will just get every single thing they can get of ya.

It's gratifying seeing this because usually when I see these kinds of worrying data permissions it's because a service I really want or need is being held hostage until I agree to this false choice and I have to start figuring out whether there's some way around this or if I'm going to have to embarrassingly explain to someone why I can't use this service they expected me to sign up to.

But then I see this and it's for something I'd never want to sign up to anyway and it's just like a list of dodged bullets. 😎 So nice to just laugh at their bullshit.

jUsT gIvE mETa A cHAnCe iN tHe fEdIVeRsE DuRRrrpH

Meta rolling into the fediverse like the martians in Mars Attacks.
“Don’t run! We’re you’re your friends!”

So just everything then.

Quite literally. What would "Other Data" even be, your inner thoughts?
- Almost, probably biometrics and passive camera/mic usage
- Quite literally. What would “Other Data” even be, your inner thoughts?
  They wanna know when I have a piss. Damn it, that's a trade secret!

I wonder if this will change the current ToS for Facebook and regular IG

Wow, that's crazy. So "in your face" that they want EVERYTHING

I have to praise Apple for forcing developers to show this information about their apps. The transparency is a really good thing for consumer awareness.

On iOS at least, a lot of these (location, contact info, health & fitness, etc), you can deny access to via a popup prompt when the app tries to access them.

It’s a Meta app though so at a bare minimum it’s absolutely going to track the heck out of how you use the app.

I don't know about this particular app, but if I remember right, for a while blocking these requests would actually cause the app to break completely. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the permissions being needed but primarily just to punish people who didn't give them access to their data.
Same thing on Android
My personal feeling is kinda like "ok, track specific clicks and views within the app." But only for those who download it/use it. Anything else should be explicitly off limits and (actually) enforced by law and not just fines but jail time and... Harsher penalties with repeated or egregious bad behaviors and the penalties would specifically target executive level officers (Zuck the Cuck basically) and marketing people who pushed it or signed off on it. Basically the masterminds moreso and less so the peons. Of course I still would avoid using any app that does that if I can, but for those who will not avoid it I think saying "just don't use it!" To end consumers is silliness and will absolutely never work. Stuff like this only changes with strong and (actually) enforced laws that make it painful and inconceivable for them to violate the laws. If the gov had any actual interest in protecting/serving the citizens, their first and most important job, which they absolutely obviously do not have an interest in doing (capital has bought them a long long time ago), they'd treat these corporations like "meta" (Facebook, I refuse to use that stupid new name), Google, Apple, etc. Like they did the Mafia back in the day and create new laws specifically to target and destroy this shit (not gonna go into RICO laws being abused obviously but they did effectively end the Mafia within a few decades)

People complain about Lemmy's privacy policy, but... I mean... gestures

If the general public was just aware of how much privacy they lose by downloading these apps, companies like Meta would never be able to get away with stuff like this.

I doubt it. Most of the time when I point out to someone just how much data they're giving up the response is just "so what if a chinese person knows about me"
Privacy for its own sake has lost value with the younger generations. What we really need to do is educate on the consequences and dangers of the lack of privacy.
- New gen here(19). Care about privacy, while most people i know doesn't. It does not depends on gen. It's just most people of any gen, if they get comfortable with service they would not care if it's gonna take every piece of info they have.
- Potential hot take-- am in my 30s so I dont know if I qualify in your younger generation denotation or not.
  I was raised with the thought process of 'act as if you are always on camera' to get me to act right. As I aged, it was amended to 'act as if you are always on camera... because you are.'
  Both statements were and remain to be correct. That said, I think there is something to be said about the expectation (or lack thereof) of privacy that the younger generations were raised either in or to know.
  I don't think that privacy has lost value through its own or the younger generation's volitions. I think it lost value through... everybody always being watched in one way or another.

I run a pair of PiHole instances for DNS on my home network, and I periodically check the logs and look up blocked domains that I don't recognize. Every single time, it's a service that provides telemetry for mobile apps. It's insane how much data apps try to collect.

I've got an adblocker app running on a local VPN on my phone 24/7 specifically for this reason. I even managed to install the same app on my Fire TV.
- Can you share which one? I'd like to clean my phone up a bit.

Yikers

Yeah, he's a big fan of access. May as well just make an extra category marked "everything".

That's the reason they wanted to make their own phone. They wanted it all
- I believe he actually genuinely does. Want it all. Eventually. Hence the heavy pivot into VR and AR years before its actually practical.
  Nobody can dethrone google as the gateway guardians to the internet or apple as the almighty hardware lords, but you can beat them to the next thing, whatever that is.
  If you want to be the worlds most powerful company, you gotta aim high.
Pretty sure that's the "sensitive information." Seriously, look at the other categories and tell me what's left.

Why does Zuck want to know the browser histories of people on the internet? 😳

Why would he need to know Health & Fitness?? Anything related to Facebook/Meta is pure trash.
- So he can sell your data to advertisers. Yeah, don’t use anything made by Meta that is connected to the internet.

1 permission short of asking for the soul of your first born...

That's the "other" category.

They're the same as for Facebook and Instagram and since this one is perhaps most geared towards existing Instagram users, there won't be much more data given because you've probably already done it.

Yeah kinda confused at the uproar. It's Facebook, they've always been like this
- The pic began spreading, looked (and is) nasty but people didn’t think of that it has already happened. I think that’s what happened.
  Worst was on Twitter where a dude remarked about not joining that due to privacy. He had an account with the same user name on Instagram…

I would prefer not to.

So... OMGNo then?

Zuck wants to know your location

Zuck wants to know everything 😏
- All this data and other data. No data is safe. How much poop is left on your arse after you wipe? We can make a profit out of that info too.

Yeah... hard pass for me there 🤔

Well, this is a screenshots from iPhone as far as I can see. So, this user has been f-up already anyway.

Can I post here from this instance?

edit: cool

Yes, your single Fediverse account created at one Lemmy instance can post, comment, vote on other Lemmy instances

Absolutely laughable that all these corporate dumbasses are tripping over themselves to explain why their platform is more user friendly but even with near unlimited resources to build a decent product Meta et al still can't figure out a way to justify their existence without quantifying and selling their users' private behaviors

That seems overly permissive...

What "Other Data"?! Want my fuckin horoscope Zuck? How about the results of my last rectal exam? fuckin hell

What I want to know is why Apple even have some of this data to give them?
Like Purchase History, shouldn't that be between me and the retailer, why do Meta need it?
- Purchase history would just be what apple knows, not your general purchase history.
  If you use Apple Pay, for instance, they're the middleman and have to know, and anything you buy on the App Store.
  A legitimate reason to share that is a budgeting app. Facebook is taking advantage of that, obviously, but in this instance, I see no fault from apple, here, there's reason to allow an app to get that, so an app can request it, and we can deny it by not getting that app, so fuck Facebook, I'm not downloading it.
- Apple stores and sells anything they can

I’m actually excited about Threads because it supposedly uses ActivityPub. I know all my non-techie friends are going to use it and I should be able to participate from my self-hosted Mastodon instance.

That actually brings up an interesting point.
If on your server you have one set of privacy rights that your users agree to, but then if their posts are Federated over to Meta, that has their set of privacy rights that is less encompassing/ protecting and not agreed to by your users, what does that mean legally?
- They won't get access to your location, lol
I'm sorry to break it to you but from what I've read their federation will be based on whitelists and only federate with very large mastodon instances.
- Figures. It did sound a little too good to be true.

Yea, well, it‘s Meta, so what would you expect…

I have a request to any mods/admins/instance owners reading this:

You might get some mileage by putting sticky posts up, ideally in as many communities as possible, warning users about using Meta's app. Make it so every time a Meta user comes and checks us out, they're reminded, over and over, that Meta is spying on them. Repetition gets the message into people's brains!

"Did you know Meta's app watches and times your doomscrolling, and phones home to Meta to tell them which stories caught your eye? It records everything you type, even what you go back and delete, and sends that home to Big Brother. Consider using a spyware-free app, here's where you can get them..."

That seems reasonable. I think I’ll throw in my social security number and DNA sample for good measure… just in case they need it.

L Oh Fucking L. Horrifying that people will just give all this information to a company that already has class action lawsuits against it for data mishandling, without even giving it a second thought. People are dumb.

Jesus Christ Zuck. It looks like a lizard is running a mammalian study

That's insane. Wait... we're the product... makes sense.

Why do all of Zucc companies terms and conditions have this air of desperation and grubbiness about them? 😂

No other services feel as slimy even though they're all doing mostly the same things.

Meta feels like you're interacting with a drug addicted stalker following you home

Seriously. Why does the Oculus app have to run in the background always using 2-3% of my cpu? They say it's to automatically start up when you connect the Rift but that should take like 0 resources. Can't even turn it off in startup options. You have to go into system tray or something to stop it. Facebook is just a spyware company and we all know it.
Because they are desperate. Facebook has NEVER had any good original product ideas. Ever. Everything they've ever done was brought/stolen from somebody else, including Facebook. All the good things Facebook did are their open source stuff like React and GraphQL, which they don't really make money off.
So now, they are running out of ideas to steal/buy, they probably wanted to buy TikTok with Trump's help, but that failed, and they started a TikTok clone in Instagram Reels, that also failed, so they are trying to start a Twitter clone. No original ideas, EVER. It's as simple as that.

Man, it really looks like a lot when you stack it like that!

Click on “see details” link and scroll endlessly through it all.

Basically like Instagram

It literally says Instagram. Is this post an inside joke?
- Did it? I thought it was a screenshot of the new Threads app which briefly leaked. I checked and Instagram had slightly different permissions

On android you can take away all permissions though and it still works fortunately. On my phone i didn't give it one single permission. Or is there some way to gather sensitive data anyway for the app?

I don't think these are permissions, just a list of collected data categories. Google Play's equivalent is the "Data Safety" section and lists the data collected, shared with third parties, and security practices in use. Basically just a more readable privacy policy, but agreeing to that by installing the app does not grant the app with the equivalent permissions automatically.

It's a lot of Info but knowing it's planning on using the Fediverse is pretty cool, Glad that everyone should be able to use there own platform / application that they prefer using. Sure a lot of people might end up using Threads due to it being 'Main Stream' but if people on things such as Lemmy & Masterdon can access all the features that Threads and other platforms are wanting to add in, then I see this as a win.

oh.... I saw a meme about this and thought it was just a joke.

Sensitive Info, Health Data? õÔ

I assume health data will be what the phone can extrapolate from its sensors, for example, data about your walls and runs from an accelerometer, or screen usage, or sleeping schedules

so what is the difference from Spyware and meta's services

Nothing. As is the case with most social media companies, you are the product. And they do that by spying on you. Same with many other "free" services like, YouTube, email, maps, etc.

What the hell is “sensitive info”

https://developer.apple.com/app-store/app-privacy-details/
"Such as racial or ethnic data, sexual orientation, pregnancy or childbirth information, disability, religious or philosophical beliefs, trade union membership, political opinion, genetic information, or biometric data"
- The list every totalitarian government used to have to spend hundreds of millions to compile

There's some fediverse Instagram clone instances known as pixelfied and plemora, check out fediverse.info

Can't Musk and Zuck just fight instead?

Apparently they are going to?!!

As much as I dislike Zuck, Mastodon will not scale to millions of users. Normies need their thing too. I don't use Twitter but I do like to view Twitter-like posts for news. If BlueSky or Threads go mainstream, that's good for normies.

This is why I ditched Facebook many years ago. The first time they started to change their TOS and privacy stuff I noped out.

yeah, that's why i'm making another account on Threads. i'm super excited for Threads though. large social networks are good for some things that Mastodon/Lemmy/etc will never be good at, by design.

if i had to pick a single platform to use, it'd be Mastodon. but i don't have to pick a single platform.

Wow. I know people are talking a bit about the privacy concerns here on Lemmy, but enterprise social media is something else entirely...

I wouldn't trust Facebook with my Nintendo friend code, let alone all this