I save a huge amount of money compared to somebody with a car. HUGE.
I don't have to pay off the car,
I don't need to buy a driver's licence,
I don't need to pay road tax,
I don't need to pay for an annual MOT,
I don't need to pay for service checkups,
I don't need to pay for fuel/oil/fluids/parts that wear out or break,
I don't need to pay for insurance,
I don't need to pay for parking spaces, etc etc.
All I need to pay for is a bus, tram, or train ticket, and I can easily get anywhere in the city with minimal walking time.
And heck, that's cheap. All the buses are capped at £2.00 regardless of the journey length, for example! Two quid!
There are a lot of other benefits too. For example, I don't have to worry that someone will nick my car, and I don't have to make sure I live somewhere with parking available.
Owning a car just seems like such a ball and chain, especially considering how fragile that relationship can be. One day everything's great, the next day boom, you need to fork out 2 grand for repairs, or maybe the car's just.... gone.
Move to Vienna, 365 euros for all year day and night (weekends and public holidays) public transport. Half of it if your company pays the other half. And if you use Wien Energie you'll get some free days electricity on top.
I agree with all of this and will add that personally it helps keep me even fitter as I cycle to work everyday and will cycle or skate depending on the distance to anywhere feasible.
The only downside is the adhorrent prices on the trains over here. The amount they charge is quite frankly disgusting!
Only issue I have is folks should have a driver's licence, to be able to safely operate a car in an emergency or unexpected situation. Just to give you the option.
I understand it would be rare to need to step in as driver if you committed to this lifestyle, but it would be better to be safer than sorry
Do you mean safely operate a car, or legally operate a car? Learning the basics to safely operate a car is fairly straightforward and good fun, at least to a level that's on par with a typical licensed driver. However going through the whole process to get a formal drivers license is a different matter and is often quite expensive.
Less stressful. I never have to worry about accidentally killing anyone, except for that time I bought worcestershire sauce because I didn't know it had anchovies
I really like Worcestershire, I was heartbroken to learn it wasn't vegan. Now I have to put Nando's hot sauce in my spaghetti sauce and who knows what they put in that?
I lived in a walkable city for a decade and now live in a more rural area where cars are a necessity.
Now that I need a car, I need to:
Keep my driver's license up to date
Pay tolls/monitor my transit account
Renew my registration every year
Get the car inspected every year
Pay for my car insurance
Remember to refuel
Keep up with oil changes and general maintenance
Monitor tires and wipers for degradation
Keep the interior clean and tidy
Budget extra money away for more expensive repairs or service
Deal with snow removal for a driveway
As someone with ADD the extra responsibilites are stressful and often slip by me, not to mention the costs add up. It's also omnipresent in my mind that on any given day that I drive, especially on the highway, statistically that is the most likely way I will die considering my current age and health. I don't miss carting my groceries around in the snow or rain, and it's nice to be able to move large, heavy items relatively easily, but man I miss the freedom of just leaving my door and walking somewhere.
I keep wondering whether I raised my kids right or deprived them. My older is 18 and has no interest in driving - he’s also anxious about his adhd. But I’ve had to really push to get him to do any time behind the wheel. My younger is really jumping on the opportunity to drive but expects to live in a walkable city with transit like we do now - he’s used to being able to go anywhere without a car
That’s all well and good, and we should all aspire to that, but what are the chances they can live without cars here in the US? They probably should be able to, even if they think “most places you do t need a car”
It's certainly possible to live in a walkable place but it'll be very expensive. Most actually walkable areas in the US are in well established cities in the east where the "bones" of their layout were built before the GM conspiracy played out. I could barely afford to live there at the time and probably couldn't afford to live there now. There are still some towns out there that haven't lost their downtown main streets though. Unfortunately I think the path forward for the moment looks like settling for car dependency and pushing your local area to make positive changes for pedestrians and alternative transport.
You are forced to take your bicycle far more often. No excuses. You cannot just take the car whenever you feel lazy, tired or if the weather is mediocre. Your health will benefit from this a lot.
No need to concentrate when traveling. Public transport is nearly "brain off" time while I get whisked away to another place. Sure, it could be better and faster, but at least I don't have to pay a higher subscription to let my vehicle stand outside for 99% of its life.
Money - a lot of people are not aware of the money a car costs over a period of time.
Dependency - you are only able to drive a car in a special time of your life. If you are too young or too old you are not allowed - or it is very dangerous - to be the driver of a car.
There are places you are just able to go by car. This is a problem: they are just made for car people. For instance: malls outside a city. Nobody is shopping in the inner citys, while everybody have to take the car to the mall. This system needs a lot of good working roads, parking spaces and other infrastructure.
Health - in regards of physical activity or is a lot healthier to live in an area where you are able to take public transport. Due to the last mile, which you are probably going by bike or by feet, you get your daily "workout". Also you are emitting much less emissions into the air. It seems that particulate matter of the reason for a lot of illnesses of our time.
Public Space - you are consuming much less public space than people who are owning a car. Parking lots are in habitats of humans all around. They cost a lot of money, are sealing good soil and the precious space in city is wasted to it. There are such nice projects all around the world, where former parking spaces or streets where changed to spaces for everyone.
Sure thing! But there is not the need for every person to own a 1to steel case to go anywhere.
Cars need a lot more infrastructure than an integral system, where you are able to use and change between bus/train/bike/walk/e-scooters - and so on - to reach your target.
I need very little infrastructure to get around on my bike. I can ride on dirt tracks or grass, I can carry it up and down steps, I can weave through alleys or traffic jams. It needs no fuel and I mostly maintain it myself. Car centric cities often have no meaningful bike infrastructure and yet cycling is still viable. It is the cheapest, most free, most egalitarian mode of transport.
Is is pleasant without infrastructure? Is it safe? No, dedicated cycle lanes are very important.
For me, the biggest benefit is the mental load I no longer have. I used to have to think about maintenance, MOT schedule, road tax scheduling, insurance scheduling, renewing my parking certificate, how much I drink, where I'm going to park, did I run out of time on the parking meter, is there traffic on my route, where are the road works...
The mental energy I'd waste just to deal with a car was massive. There's still mental energy with public transit, like what is the schedule and which bus do I need to be on to make it in time, and what do I do if a stop isn't near my destination, but it's a lot less mental load than having a car.
I use the transit app for planning my rides on public transport when abroad. It makes planning a breeze.
In my own country our national transport companies have decent planners in their apps.
I use the transit app for planning my rides on public transport when abroad. It makes planning a breeze.
In my own country our national transport companies have decent planners in their apps.
Fuck cars, but some (many) places force your dependency either through bad city & infrastructure design, or just because it's rural and hundreds of miles from the nearest city. In places that don't, I'd still own an old beater, but riding my bike around would be my primary.
Being able to look at your children in the eyes and knowing that you aren't contributing to the pollution they are breathing, to the traffic noise they hear while they are trying to rest, or to the traffic that puts them in danger every time they go out.
Future generations will judge us for the shitty legacy we have left them.
In general it's just a lot more possible to just go with the flow. You don't have to coordinate getting to/from places, and when you get to where you're going you can just leave whenever you want, no need to coordinate pick ups/drop offs. Figure out who can drive, who can't drive etc. Just kinda go wherever the mood takes you.
Well, first and foremost, I guess the main benefit is saving a lot of money.
If you use your car everyday to go to work and go shopping it can cost thousands of dollars where I live. Between the fuel, insurance, parking fees, mandatory yearly checkup (with possible repairs which are even more costly), the bill climbs pretty fast!
And it can be such a pain to drive a car in the city. Traffic jams, Red lights every 2 minutes (we all get that unlucky day), finding a free parking spot, waiting at gas station when there's a penury (they are bound to happen!).
Using a bike or simply walking is comparatively hugely cheaper obviously, but also quite less frustrating in urban areas at least.
"Not having to feed and shelter a cow for her milk" If i use expressionism. Car taxes , fuel prices and traffic is a huge problem where i live and i can use buses, metros and my own legs to go anywhere reliably.
you save a lot of money. People easily forget how it all adds up.
you save a lot of space. Cars take up a huge amount of space and are just sitting around 90+% of the time. Imagine what you could do with a garage if you didn't own a car.
you save a lot of time. A car needs maintenance, it needs to get cleaned, etc. All of that takes up time.
less worries. About money, about it getting stolen or damaged, etc.
you don't need a driver's license per se if you don't own a car.
you don't have the sunk cost forcing you to use it. Say you buy a car and then you end up barely using it. You might feel obliged to use the car to go shopping or to go on vacation, because it would be 'wasted' otherwise.
No garage or parking space needed.
No maintenance or renew license (car and driving)
One thing less to purchase the accessories for.
No gas and associated costs (toll, parking, etc)
If you are in not pedestrian friendly, bike friendly or good public transport, those benefits outweight the time necessary to go from one place to another.
More than everything else, peace of mind. No worries about the condition and repairs and maintenance of a $40K hunk of metal and glass, or about accidents, injuries, insurance, parking, the idiot in the other lane, the price of gas, or anything else.
If I bought a car I would never be able to afford anything nice or fun again. We'd be behind on bills all the time and struggling to keep food in the fridge. Also, I'd be so stressed all the time, between stressful driving and being broke, I'd go nuts. Public transit gives me time to relax and watch a video or something on my way home from work too, which is nice. My only critique is that transit needs a wider range in my area. A train would be lovely.
Unfortunately it is necessary that I drive sometimes so I maintain my license and rent cars when I need them. It's mildly inconvenient and I don't always like walking out to the rental place, but life is so much nicer without a car. I also like knowing that I am doing my part to help the environment by walking and taking public transit.
Saving a fuck tonne of money. Between the financing, tax, MOT, petrol, parking and maintainable, I save thousands a year.
Better health. I walk about 2 miles total a day that I wouldn't if I had a car and drove to work. And then if I need to go to the shops or something that's either more expersise or I just don't buy the snacks I wanted. Plenty of people i know that drive will take their car to shops that are 5 mins walk away.
More "free" time. Since I don't have to focus on driving during my commute, I watch TV shows or movies, or play games (Currently binging Stargate and watch an episode each way on the commute, and beat the new Zelda mostly on the train)
Then the less tangible things like knowing I'm doing my fair share to stop climate change and encourage the government to invest in public transport.
Knowing I'm not repaonsible for kids growing up with respiratory diseases, knowing ill never get in a car accident and kill someone, whether due to my own negligence or not and have that on my conscience forever (my sisters husband killed a kid that ran infrint of his car. There was nothing he could have done, but he's still never been the same since)
And my mental wellbeing, my walk takes me through parks and woodland on one side and cute side streets filled with boutique stores and pop up art exhibitions on the other
Oh and I don't have to worry about my car when I go out drinking, or worry about it getting stolen or the catalytic converter being ripped out like my housemate does.
And probably a few other little things that I can't think of right now.
No dealing with traffic? I used to get run off the road by lorries and taxis. Now I'm in Germany that's Not Done, although I did nearly get run off the road by a Porche the other day (the difference being that people saw it and stopped the guy to give him an earful instead of pretending they didn't see anything).
Economic, environmental and health. It’s always going to be a ton cheaper not to own a car that needs gas, maintenance and insurance, plus you generate less pollution in a myriad of ways, and by biking or walking places you obviously increase your personal fitness and health levels.
Well, by not having a car, I have almost enough money left over for a place to sleep, food, and internet.
People say you "need" a car to live, but really, you just need a car to maintain your lifestyle. But when something happens to your income, the first thing to go is the car. When you cannot afford to drive a car, suddenly your "needs" look completely different. Funny, right?
Merely not owning a car really only saves you money and gives you exercise, yeah.
The much, much bigger difference is in urban design: living somewhere where you don't need a car vs living somewhere where you do.
I've lived in a few places where you don't need a car, with populations ranging from 2.5k to 4 million. I currently live on a small hobby farm just outside the edge of suburbia, and grew up in suburbia.
Living somewhere where you don't need a car is great. Being able to walk to a dozen restaurants in 5 min or to the grocery store in 5 min is amazing. Owning a car in a city is a pain - needing to find parking, having to move for street cleaning, etc. There's little advantage unless you need if for your commute.
Living somewhere car centric honestly kinda sucks. It takes longer to drive to anything in suburbia than it does to walk to it in a small walkable town. That 5 minute walk to the store? How about a 10 minute drive instead? Walking 5 minute to a restaurant? Why not drive 15 instead? Walking to a bar? No, get a designated driver or Uber instead. It also leads to really ugly scenery - giant parking craters are literally no one's idea of beauty. There's a reason people will willingly walk a few miles down a small town's mainstream, but will literally drive to the other side of a strip mall rather than walk it. And driving in bumper to bumper traffic is soul sucking. Suburbanites will literally drive to a gym to get on a treadmill. I think that says something.
I have several high quality local restaurants plus a mall thing with several more decent chains, all 5 minutes away with ample parking. A Wegmans as well when I can far more easily bring back an entire cart of food. There are plenty of suburban areas that are densely populated enough to have lots of close by things.
But let’s turn it around; what’s the benefit of owning one? I guess it kind of depends on where you live and what other modes of transportation are available to you. But in my case, I live in The Netherlands, in a city. I can walk most distances, or use my bike when needed. For longer distances I use public transport.
For a while I did own a car though. My job was in a location not easily accessible using public transport. In that case it absolutely made sense for me to get a car. Saved me a ton of time, which was worth the money to me.
I presume we've all NOT OWNED CARS at one point in our lives so the question and the answer is pretty simple: You have a lot more money.
You also don't need to secure parking where you live, worry about being ticketed or towed, worry about if you forgot to renew your insurance (which I did, and landed me a $650 fine), worry about renewing your driver's license (although you probably should renew it anyway), or concern yourself about a rapidly depreciating asset that will likely require expensive repairs in the near future.
It's much healthier if you live in a walkable city. Walking, cycling, even taking a subway and walking to the station and climbing stairs are all great for you. When I'm in a car-heavy city it starts to feel weird seeing people sitting at home, walking 10 seconds to sit in a car for a half hour, just to sit in a new place when you arrive.
Plus you can save so much money if you don't need a car. Walking is free.
Another benefit I only realized afterwards is discovering cool stuff around your city that you otherwise mightve never found if you just zip by in a car. I really enjoy finding weird holes in the wall and just popping in to see what's up.
I've always had a car since I was 18 years old, but my significant other stopped driving around a decade ago.
Just going from two cars to one has saved us thousands upon thousands of dollars in gas, maintenance, registration fees, insurance, and parking fees at apartments.
It's definitely not 100% because of not owning two cars, but it's certainly at least partially because we only own one car (that these days I don't even use on a daily basis) that we have bought and paid off our condo, and now have an extremely low overall COL in an extremely high COL area.
I know I'm not answering this question persay, but I do certainly touch on some benefits of not owning a car, and why this isn't true for everyone.
I don't want anyone dismissing this as some "pro-car" post. It's not.
I live in the northern most city in North America with over 1 million people (Edmonton, I technically live in an outlying community, but still). Edmonton is unique in a few ways.
The temperature ranges are huge, regularly on a yearly basis we range from 32 C (90 F) each summer to -36 (-33 F) each winter. I have seen it in my life reach 36 C (97 F) and -46 C (-51 F). There's not many places in the world whose extremes of temperature cover such a wide range, and not many in general that get that cold, In the winter, snow starts in late October, and is usually around until until early April, and it is typical to see a week straight or two of -30 C (-22) and basically from December through February it's often below -20 C (-4 F) for months straight at the warmest.
Edmonton is also one of the least population dense major cities around, even for Canada which is already spread out. Addis Ababa, Baghdad, and Brussels are all close in size (actually all slightly smaller) than Edmonton, and have 5, 6, and 2 million people respectively. Edmonton has 1 million people.
I work with people with autism, and visit over 30 different locations, and 20 different families across this big city, and our public transit systems are known for being bad.
So simply what are the advantages? I would die in the winter first of all. That's not an exaggeration, if you don't live in a climate like this in the winter, you just don't understand. Being outside for upwards of 15 minutes is dangerous.
Moreover, families in my line of work would suffer. Even with amazing public transit, the weather here is bad enough, and the city is spread out enough, that it would not be doable to safely visit everyone in a day or make it on time since they're often across the city. Notably since Edmonton is so spread out (unlike say, a Toronto), traffic and getting around quickly on roads is pretty good and we don't see the same level of slow moving traffic as most major cities.
Now with that said, for the naysayers out there, who think I'm biased: first of all, we all are in one direction or another. Secondly, if you suggested reducing how spread out my city is, and massively increasing public transit and train funding (which again, remember is tricky here, because just hanging out in a train or bus shelter, if not heated here is genuinely dangerous to your life), I would be all for it! I think the biggest thing is city planning, zoning rules that make living places so far away from your purchasing needs like grocery stores is the real bane here and in many areas in North America. But the fact is that, again in my (admittedly unique) situation, even if the city suddenly didn't become dangerously cold in the winter, magically more dense, and amazingly more transit friendly, I need a car for my daily employment, and many do (you can't haul construction equipment, bring large medical devices, etc.) on a bike or bring it onto a train or bus with you.
I think the "fuckcars" argument is simplistic and WILDLY privileged. This attitude towards places in difficult climates, with limited funding for public transit in poorer countries, where taking any job, even one that needs a vehicle to drive around is a necessity, when coming from a European metropolitan perspective if wildly biased. Should all cities be as bikeable and transit centric as it is in Europe, again, YES, I agree with this wholeheartedly. But such an aggressive stance as being angry at car owners, making arguments that it indicates some political leaning (I've literally seen in the subreddit that cars are inherently right wing, like get over yourself and politicizing EVERYTHING), and literally naming a subreddit "fuckcars" is not exactly solution focused, and doesn't take the complexity of the living situation many are born in, into account. While I am priveleged in my own country and city, my whole life is here and I would challenge anyone saying "just bike" to make the 50km bike ride across sheet ice in -40 (-40 F) here and not also argue for necessity of a car here.
For the record for anyone who might otherwise dismiss my view on some erronious basis, I am a left wing environmentalist, vegetarian for environmental reasons, have owned a Smart Car and other "eco" vehicles, detest the giant truck and SUV culture that is awful to basically everything here (while understanding that a fairly small minority actually do need a truck), I own an E-bike and love in my small outlying town (population 4000) that I can bike to everything I need here, and would also use this when I lived in Edmonton at times.
I lived in Edmonton without a car, it is not as bad as you are making it out to be at all. You are exaggerating so hard. I used to haul a double stroller through Mill Woods in the winter time and my only problem was people nearly hitting me with their cars.
The first obvious one is you'll have more money to spend on other things (you'll need to spend a part of it for a car alternative, but any sane option will always be way cheaper than owning a car).
You will also be healthier and naturally get in shape as you walk a little everyday.
But as the other comment said, the pros will outweigh the cons only if you live somewhere where living car-free is a viable option.
Have you heard of this thing called a bicycle? It's crazy new. You can get a basket or electric engine, totally crazy, ikr? It's okay, I don't blame you for not Knowing, excuse the sarcasm. Being raised in the us or Canada, you don't see any realistic alternative to owning cars. All of the above can be compensated by owning a bike.
have you heard of this thing called. a motor vehicle. why are you diving back in time? I rode a bike all through my kid and teen years. of course...i have total respect for a bicycle. more than you. it is the one Mechanical device we humans have that is capable of putting out more energy than what you give into it. think about that. that is fucking incredible. but when i turned 15. i looked at the world and said "wow. globalization is happening fast, i need to be mobile to eat and stay relevant" ...so i got a car, stayed mobile and im alive today because i CAN commute.
Did we need some milk or a couple groceries? sorry, public transit trip tik has this taking 6hrs round trip, that's just too inconvenient
Have you considered moving to a country that does sell milk? I can visit 3 capitals within 6 hours of public transport roundtrip. Though one can legally buy milk halfway to the tram station, so that'd be 5 min walking roundtrip.
Cars are not the problem. People are. 95% of drivers shouldn't even have a license. Just bump up the requirements until only 5% of people attain driving license.
Or, or instead of your crazy idea, we could update our cities so that cars aren't required and I suspect people might just choose to save on car payments, insurance payments, registration fees, gas/electricity, inconvenience of parking, wasting hours on daily commutes, etc, etc...