Can I use my Nintendo Switch in 20 years from now?

A steam deck can run all the games those two can and it runs Linux which means it will probably never be obsolete

You have plenty of answers already, but one thing I want to point out that might not have been mentioned yet: The DS line of handhelds are unique hardware; the Switch is not.

By that I mean there is a vast library of games developed over ~15 years that were designed for the dual screen layout. Don't listen to what anyone tells you about emulation; those games are much, much better when played on actual Nintendo hardware, not because they run poorly on emulators, but because your phone, monitors, Steam Deck, and TV are one horizontal screen. Every alternative layout I've seen for emulating DS games is an awkward compromise to fit two screens on one. It sucks, it doesn't look good, and you'll have to change the layout on a per game basis because one size absolutely does not fit all.

Now look at the Switch. It's a standard 16:9 720p touch screen. Everything that can and will ever be built powerful enough to emulate a Switch will display those games in the way they were intended to be presented. When Switch emulation is perfect (and it's most of the way there) there is no compromise. You can already play Switch games on other handheld devices at higher resolutions and frame rates than the Switch itself can handle and it's an objectively better experience.

I only offer this perspective because you're talking about a very long term view of device ownership. We are now well past the period of game development on two screens as it existed on the DS line of handhelds. I highly doubt that phase of game design is ever coming back. And like it or not, many of those games are best experienced on the original hardware they were designed for and that will probably still be the case 20 years from now. On the other hand, we already have a plethora of alternative hardware options for games made for the Nintendo Switch and those numbers will grow considerably between now and 2044.

If it's like my other consoles from 20 years ago, It'll be sealed in a box in the attic while you emulate it without a thought.

1. Nintendo online is a lot like Xbox live. You can play single player without it (generally) but have to pay to get online/multiplayer

2. yes, you can have multiple accounts on the switch each with their own save, without paying for online for all/any of them.

3. I don't know if I'd guarantee that. Who knows what dumb services things rely on. If you want something that'll work maybe consider a more open ecosystem like that of the steam deck or its competitors

This is a deeply philosophical question involving time, the nature of ‘self’ and potential for physical abilities, and indeed mortality itself.

I mean… how much of an answer do actually want?

There are games like "Control" that are guaranteed to be dead in 5 years max as they're glorified remote play solutions. The game is playing on someone else's computer and streamed to the switch. So the bill for that computer is paid by new sales like a Ponzi scheme. No more sales = the dev turns off their servers = no more playing

Unless it has gotten better, the joy cons on these things always fail. That's 1 reason I never got one

Even if the games run, the joy cons will likely not last long before drifting

Nintendo doesn't have always-online DRM. Some games won't work 20 years from now of course, but your cartridge of BOTW or Pikmin 4 will still work as long as the hardware is in good repair. The Switch is a fine system and should last for years and years of quality game time.

Not going to comment on the software ecosystems because that is pure speculation and anyone claiming otherwise is talking out of their ass.

What I will instead point out is: your hardware is likely to fail in that time period. "Planned obsolesce" or whatever, I don't care how you justify it. The reality is that these contain batteries that will degrade, and eventually fail. That is why anyone with a PSP or a Vita should check if it is bulging and dispose of it accordingly. And I think it is the xbox 360 that has a capacitor that people should cut before it leaks? Or basically any PC from 20 or so years ago where you need to repair the system clock on the mobo.

Hell, people love to talk about how unbreakable and amazing the NES is. Except... just look at GDQ where they have had multiple (?) instances of consoles failing during runs and the runners even talk about needing to source functioning consoles and scrap them for parts. This is why the speed running community went from gatekeeping "Rawr, only original hardware" to "So... those FPGAs are fucking cool, right?"

Much like with PC gaming: having the hardware or even the license does not mean you can play it in ten years without jumping through some hoops that often involve emulation and/or cracks.

The short answer is yes, but you'll have to get used to the reality that Nintendo themselves will not be there for you if anything goes wrong down in those 20 years. There will be third-party fixers and a community of people who'll probably have things made for replacements.

You are far better off using a Switch as opposed to a DS. You can emulate more on a Switch than a DS.

If you can get your hands on a NDS with an R4 for a decent price, I'd say that will give you way better access to a great library of games. The games are going to be simpler and a bit dated, but there are some gems in there. There's no dependency on online and the games will work until the hardware fails

Even with the best care I wouldn't expect it to last 20 years. The switch is nowhere near a well built machine as the DS was. The controllers will be lucky to last a year. They used arbitration to avoid a lawsuit over how crappy the switch is knowingly built. We've been through three since their inception. That being said they're still a lot of fun. They are trying to integrate the sub more, but it's still avoidable on some games. If you buy one get a hard case or at least a somewhat solid case to help support the console with the controllers connected if you decide to play it that way. The way that they're connected with what destroyed them faster for us because you put too much pressure on the controllers and their connection when holding it. Using a case like this for reinforce the controllers and make them last much longer in my experience.

Since the problem of the joycons breaking down has come up a few times, I just want to mention that you can easily couple 8bit-do controllers, or presumably any others, and play with those instead. That's likely to mean they'll be available for a while. Not sure that you can do anything about a DS's buttons breaking

I think people are forgetting the DS part of the question

DS are very cheap second hand and all the game cartridges work in offline mode natively. If you haven't ever owned a DS before you need to pickup a few 3DS XL models ASAP and catch up on that whole generation of gaming!

As for switch people are right below, if you want longterm playability you might need to emulate on a different device like a steam deck. Some switch games need that online 'phone home' to download the game

I already did some searching and found that games can be played offline fine (most of them, some exceptions are there like Multiplayer and Mortal Kombat)

Yes, most games will work offline just fine even with a multiplayer mode. (You just won't be able to access multiplayer.) I believe you can still play Mortal Kombat 11 offline but it locks you out of a lot of content IIRC.

There is something like the paid Nintendo Online Account. I am not planning on having a paid account. How much of the system depends on the account?

The account creation is completely free. You can even make a local account but you won't be able to play games online or use the eshop without making a Nintendo account. The only thing you "need" to pay for is a $20 annual Nintendo Switch Online subscription to play your games online. (Note that all games don't require the Nintendo Switch Online subscription, but most do. This includes all of Nintendo's first party IP's.)

Can I have progression in a game (let’s say: one of the Zelda franchise) and will my Wife and Kids all have their own progression, without having to pay for X accounts?

All of your games will have separate saves with different profiles. Note that all of the accounts you make don't need a Nintendo Account, so you can make a Nintendo Account for yourself (which is free) if you want the features it comes with, and local accounts for your wife and kids, and any game they play will have different saves that won't conflict with your saves. The only exception to this that I know of is Animal Crossing New Horizons. You can have different accounts and players on one Switch but you are limited to only one island per console.

People who own a Switch, let’s take this to extremes, do you feel like in 20 years from now you can still do the same things on your hardware as you can do now? (No multiplayer is fine)

Personally, I'm not sure how long the Switch's hardware will last. If the durability and longevity of Nintendo's other consoles are anything to go by, I'd say it has a fair shot of lasting a while; with the exception of maybe a battery replacement and/or new thermal paste. I have both the OG model and an OLED model, and I can say for certain that the OLED model runs cooler and quieter than my OG model. Even if the Switch's hardware fails I will always have my games and saves backed up on my PC so I can always play my games through an emulator on more powerful hardware.

Edit: I completely forgot to mention joycons. I think these will be the first things that get replaced with any amount of long-term use. I've already gone through 4 pairs on my OG switch because of joycon drift. My OLED is holding up fine though (thankfully), but I think the cheaper option would be to just replace the joycon's thumb-sticks with hall-sense sticks, and they should (in theory) last quite a bit longer.

You can have different profiles to play Zelda but for animal. Crossing for example you'll have to share an island.

None of this requires a subscription. Only online games do

By DS, I hope you're talking about a New 3DS, perhaps XL, and not the older DS models. Installing CFW on a New 3DS is pretty easy, and whether you buy your games or pirate them, there's a giant library that could easily keep you occupied for 20+ years. Even if you stay offline. You can also run emulators, ROMs, and other homebrew to get even more use out of it.

If I was to buy a Switch, I'd want the OLED model, but they're difficult to mod. Unless you have good soldering skills, you'll likely have to pay for someone to install a modchip. That being said, the Switch is significantly more powerful than the 3DS. Will eShop be down for Switch in 20 years? Unfortunately, most likely. But with piracy, or games on cartridges, you could easily enjoy your games in 20+ years. The Switch can also handle emulating a lot of games that a 3DS just doesn't have the power to.

Either system would be fine. I'd lean toward the Switch, unless you really want something that can easily fit in your pocket, can be modded without soldering, and should be a cheaper price point. I have collected every console Nintendo has made so far, and they all still work, as long as you take good care of them. The only exception is the Wii U, mine works, but they're known for bricking because of cheap NAND chips, particularly from consoles sold at launch.

People thought the same thing in 1985. The NES still works.

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Very difficult to predict the future, but my bet would be on no (to the in 20years question).

I doubt the hardware would last 20 years and eventually it'll become hard to source parts as the popularity falls off, even if you could repair it yourself. I'm sure anything with an online dependency will not work either, but offline games have a chance.

But the real question is would you want to use the switch in 20 years (or honestly, even today)? There is already a better alternative (steam deck) with a much more open platform with way more capabilities and I believe it can already emulate Nintendo games (although no first hand experience with that)

I have a switch myself and would never recommend it to anyone personally.

I would be reasonably confident in offline games running in 20 years if you bought the cartridges, if you bought the estore versions I would be significantly less confident.

What i find to be cool about the switch is that you can still buy hardware game cardridges. I don‘t see a reason why these cardridges wouldn‘t work in 20 years anymore. I also never had issues playing the games offline.

Yes, your wife and your kids will be able to have seperate game progressions. I think you are able to create up to 8 of these „profiles“.

I would be shocked if the newer versions don't have a software hack way before that.

The fact that the first version was easy to hack made later versions lower priority, but at some point for the sake of preservation or to have the OLED, the new ones will catch up.

would you remove the battery during those 20 years?

I am trying to choose between buying a Nintendo Switch or a Nintendo DS.

Last time I checked a Nintendo DS is nowhere near as expensive as a Nintendo Switch, you could probably get both unless you only have $300 in your bank account.

Get a Switch, get it right now, also get this tool. The answer currently is yes, as long as the hardware still works & the battery doesn't explode, and a switch combined with the MIG tool will give you a robust local library of games. Get your rig + MIG & never connect that switch to the internet ever again.

Nintendo is notoriously litigious & overly protective of all things Nintendo. The MIG Switch cartridge looks AMAZING but obviously Nintendo fucking hates it & they will probably try to issue a patch that nerfs it and/or kills your Switch in the future.

I've owned my switch since 2017 and Ive never used Nintendo's online services, I think they're actually DNS blocked or if I forgot to DNS block them then my console might be banned but it makes no difference to me, I get an error it can't connect to Nintendo when I start some games but other than having to click past that it's smooth sailing.

You can still have multiple users/profiles/saves without needing to link Nintendo accounts at all.

I think most of what I do with it now I could still do in 20 years although if I'm being totally honest one thing I use a lot is moonlight to remote stream games off my desktop and Im sure you could use it with current Gen PCs to stream but I'm guessing the between wifi and video codec standerds changing over time i dont think moonligbt will still work in 2044...but thats probably a bit outside the scope of your question.

An easier way to put it, the switch is currently probably the best modern console for piracy and that should tell you a lot about how little it depends on any kind of (not already cracked) authentication

Assuming it is kept in working order, you'd be able to do everything you can do with it now, with the assumption the online services stay up. If they go down, you would lose your non-physical games and the ability to play online.

Your progression and everything is saved on the unit itself, and the hardware used likely will last for a long, long time if kept properly.

Almost nothing other than games you've bought on the store and online functionality in games is tied to your Switch account. And in 20 years time, who knows if that service will still be online.

If you don't count multiplayer and buy only physical copies of your game, you will be able to play for as long the hardware will function. You can also hack your switch and keep a copy of every game you may need somewhere in an hard-drive too.

I would lean towards either a DS, or switch emulation (using a device such as the Steam Deck, so games that require gyro input such as Super Mario 3D World - can still be played fine)

The DS is really affordable second-hand, and the usual third party SD card carts work just as well. People seem to really like the XL models, so may be worth considering one of those

As for the Switch, you'll likely be able to play your existing physical carts in 20 years time. It's still Nintendo's latest console though, so there's no telling what they may decide to do in future. I think if you have a jailbroken switch you could be in for a difficult time if newer carts use different hardware encryption keys that require a newer firmware...

With emulation though you get to actually own the games and play them on whatever device you want, at any time. The Mii maker and gyro setup does require following some guides to get going, but this stuff is well supported for the Deck (probably similar story for the alternative Windows handhelds but haven't checked). Yuzu's early access Android app already has gyro configured, using the sensors built into your phone. Lastly you can do multiplayer with other Yuzu players over the internet, completely independent of Nintendo's online functionality

The switch is very weak hardware wise but also very reliable I feel. For being a handheld device they're surprisingly tough and cartridges do have a much better chance at longevity than disks so I'd say of all consoles I'd put Switch on the top for longevity and best odds of working well 20 years from now. Do note this is ONLY true of cartridge games. If you have Nintendo eShop games I don't expect them to work 20 years from now because that eShop might not be around and I'm confident it uses some form of phone home checkin to verify DRM. That is likely fixable but out of scope for this discussion.

As for Steam Deck / other handheld PCs the games are less likely survive 20 years, games have already started to disappear from Steam (unpopular ones) and I very much doubt every game I have today will be available/playable. Because Steam will be dropping support and not every game is DRM free in ways that mean you can run them once they're dropped from Steam. The PC handhelds also tend to work very poorly without Internet since Steam wants to phone home from time to time. As for the hardware I think the Steam Deck might last 20 years given it's Linux based. Stuff like the ROG Ally will be hard to make work due to the outdated Windows on it and the likelihood that you can't upgrade it and games/steam won't work without an upgrade.

You can buy a flashcart for the DS and run pirated games on it. So as long as those ROM site stay alive you can play games on the DS. The 3DS can also run custom firmware to run roms so you might want to get a 3DS instead of a DS. Installing the custom firmware is really easy https://3ds.hacks.guide/

I'd get both, I have both 🙂

Strangely enough, I only play online with the DS, since long before having the Switch and even today lol.

i still use my super nintendo to play original secret of mana and link to the past, so i don't see why not.

I doubt any console is lasting 20 years nowadays.

I would recommend yuzu and roms if you want to future proof it, including the source code just in case.

People who own a Switch, let’s take this to extremes, do you feel like in 20 years from now you can still do the same things on your hardware as you can do now? (No multiplayer is fine)

No chance.

Not only it is unlikely that the hardware will last that long, the supplies for hardmodding it likely won't either, and in 20 years there won't be enough of a community interest to support hardmodding services unless some sort of master keys are leaked. And without hardmodding, the only Switches that you can install whatever you want on are very ld ones that were released with firmware 3.x or something, which are also less capable hardware and lower quality joycons.

Heck, if I had to bet on 5 years more instead of 20, I'd flat out sell my Switch and buy a Steam Deck 2.0 as soon as they release.

My switch died after about 4 years. A capacitor burned, tried to replace it, but still nothing happens... dont know if Ill get it to work again

That is an odd take, I mean, if there are still new games release on Switch in 20 years, then sure? Switch definitely has better chance on having newer games than DS in those time frame.

The reason for my question: I don’t want to own obsolete hardware in 10 years.

In that case, why not wait for the next gen? I have my Switch since 2018, I think, it's still the first gen one, that can be modded without hardware. I'll continue play it as long as there's a game for it. The only way to have the most time of a hardware is to get it when it's new, right?

1. It's pretty much needed only for online stuff, so single-player only is no problem. Also cloud saves.
2. Yes, multiple local accounts are possible.
3. Probably, since I no longer pay for online services, so nothing much will change for me.

I think people are forgetting the DS part of the question

DS are very cheap second hand and all the game cartridges work in offline mode natively. If you haven't ever owned a DS before you news to pickup a few 3DS XL models ASAP and catch up on that whole generation of gaming!

As for switch people are right below, if you want longterm playability you might need to emulate on a different device like a steam deck. Some switch games need that online 'phone home' to download the game

i have a switch too and 9 times out of 10 im booting it up to play light games with friends. it gets me a lot of use but hardly for real gaming. main exceptions are the zelda games, the mario sunshine reboot, and the ace attorney reboot, plus some of nintendos unique titles. the main upside to people is that you can get it pretty cheap compared to a nice gaming computer or a console so for casual gamers it gets you access to a lot on the online store, but if you are looking for pure longevity the ds is not a bad choice.