Americans Don’t Care as Much About Work. And It Isn’t Just Gen Z.

They say blame the pandemic. I say blame the companies that bitch when people finally realize how important their time was.

The pandemic showed that a huge percentage of our work is literately bullshit used to keep us grinding away and not actually living life. And to keep us from dealing with the huge and glaring problems in our society.

The Puritan idea that we must slave away in order to be worthy is a lie.

One of the greatest economists, Keynes, expected us to be working 15-20 hours a week at this point because of productivity increases.

But instead of sharing in the blessing of productivity, we were forced to do an increasing amount of meaningless work and spend less time actually living, all while being shackled with debt rather than even increasing our pay.

A pretty garbage system if you ask me.

Other people in the comments are mentioning incentives, low pay, crappy management, etc. I don't want to work, but it's not really about any of this, or it's about all of this a little, sort of.

I want to do good work.

I want to make software that helps people, that does what it's supposed to do, that is fast, non-predatory, and doesn't succumb to endless feature creep or artificially rushed scheduling. Pay me enough to live comfortably, and I'll do this basically on my own. I don't even need all of these things.

I've found that most businesses prioritize between 0-1 of these things.

Work is less valuable to us because it has literally become less valuable. We get much less in terms of real purchasing power.

You want me to care more about my job? Make it more valuable to me.

Peter Gibbons: The thing is, Bob, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care.

Bob Porter: Don't... don't care?

Peter Gibbons: It's a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don't see another dime; so where's the motivation? And here's something else, Bob: I have eight different bosses right now.

Bob Slydell: I beg your pardon?

Peter Gibbons: Eight bosses.

Bob Slydell: Eight?

Peter Gibbons: Eight, Bob. So that means that when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That's my only real motivation is not to be hassled; that, and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired.

Plus ça change...

Americans are being treated like shit by their bosses and are finally starting to realize that the fantasy of "anyone can be rich" they've been promised all their lives is a total sham. Of course they're not working as hard.

make a fourth of what made five years ago but same job

think part of why people work less now is because of no incentive

pay is way down, moral is low, and bills are higher than the income

recreational drugs are being outpriced for the first time in my lifetime by food costs

Yeah, people stopped caring about work because we all know it doesn't matter. You can give every last inch of yourself to your employer and they will simply say "not enough". You can give your left kidney to an executive in need of a transplant, in the hopes that it will look good on your review, and the executive will say, "Should have given me both kidneys.". They are hungry and ravenous beasts, who bite and bite and bite and are never full.

It’s really hard to give a shit about working when doing so only barely keeps you from being homeless, meanwhile the CEO drives to work every day in his Ferrari.

EDIT: That is to say, we want to give a shit and be really passionate about what we do, but it’s tough when the time and effort to do so isn’t properly recognized or compensated. My wife loves taking calls and helping people however she can, but the company she works for prioritizes number of people helped as opposed to the quality of that help. As such, she’s looking to leave her job and the medical field entirely. Her experience is that every single company that writes any sort of prescription is only in it to sell as much product as possible, not actually using that product to help people.

There’s nothing at all wrong with loving what you do, or wanting to love what you do. There’s also nothing wrong with wanting to be able to pay your bills while doing so.

So many different ways to cope with the horrifying idea that companies need us more than we need them. For this rare moment, just a sliver of time, we workers are not forced to prostrate ourselves at their feet. Instead of understanding that labor is a market and right now it’s a sellers market, they are inventing cultural changes to explain their sudden loss of fortune and power.

Millions of American workers died or became disabled due to a virus that we failed to handle responsibly. Millions more left the workforce to care for children or family members. All the while, demand for goods and services stayed strong. More work to do and fewer people to do it, gonna have to pay more for labor. It’s so fucking simple.

It’s not that I don’t care about work, it’s that I don’t care about YOU! I have other options my dude, cough up or I will find somebody who will.

Talk to some older folks.

As late as 1980, $20.00 made you feel like a big shot. You could buy yourself something fancy, or go out for a nice night on the town, or throw a great party.

You can have $20,000.00 in your hand today and feel like a chump. It won't get you a new car, or make a downpayment on a house, Might let you rent a tiny room for a year, but you'll be eating a lot of ramen.

Gen Z here. I have a house, (its small, i wouldn't want a bigger one, because there is no need for it,) a decent car, am married, dont have any debt other than a mortgage, and i can comfortably pay everything i need to now and save a bit for the future. Why would I want to work harder for a better car? I don't have a desire to show off or anything. Instead of working hard for someone else, I want to create things. Stories, games, art, I want to be creative, i dont want to work my ass of for someone else, doing menial labor.

That's because work only exists to serve the ruling class at this point.

I'm fine with working for regular people, not for overlords.

Won't somebody think of the shareholders!

I’ve done the math. I make $10,000 less today than I did in 2018, adjusted for inflation. No shit I care less about work.

The pandemic also showed how quick companies were to cut staff the second stuff happened. And while the government quickly came up with PPP, with Trump’s poor oversight, companies learned they could just pocket the money and screw the employees it was meant for.

That said, the pandemic just exposed a lot of long term feelings the younger generation has had.

I'm just a sponge being squeezed of every ounce of productivity when I'm at work. It's never a case of "you're good enough" but always "aim higher, be better". I'm over it. The veil has been lifted. None of these businesses see me as a human, and I'm dedicating my world to them I'm exchange for the bare minimum. If everyone was fighting together I'd want to rally, but I don't get a better slice of the pie if I make it bigger. So... fuck em.

What's the point?

I make more than most of my acquaintances in the city (my friends are poor), yet it's not enough to rent a house much less buy one. It's not enough to save for retirement. It's not even enough to move to a better apartment. The only reason I can think of owning a house is my inheritance - period.

My company touts their generous benefits which start on day one. But I'm about to lose access to my therapist because they want to push virtual and self-help resources instead. They publish pamphlets that exaggerate medical benefits, when you go to use them the insurance company says "Nah lol."

We have no union and in fact the state disincentivized formation of unions with "right to work" laws.

Work leaves me feeling exhausted and hopeless. My paycheck covers the bills, buys food, and keeps a derelict roof over my head. Apparently that makes me "lucky" and I should be grateful for it.

About 90% of all jobs produce useless nonsense like enterprise software, cars and all sorts of clothes. We could've lived in a paradise wearing togas to spaceports by now if not for all the vanity.

Cause companies don't care. It's a 2 way street. Help me help you.

I personally was tired of working my ass off for some rich ceo douche bag so I quit and am looking for something better

The employers care about neither the employee nor the quality of work. Some People learn to meet expectations and compensation. This is nothing to do with the workers and everything to do with changes in the employers.

People care less because their money buys less. Why work harder when for most people it wont mean they make any more money? Seems pretty simple to me.

The only thing that I get if I meet my absurd deadlines is more deadlines to meet. And so, under managers that don't have a fucking clue what I do anyway, I bullshit my way doing probably 20% of what I used to. I even still get a glowing performance review and no real raises are coming. Its a crummy situation, but I'm certainly not gonna kill myself to enrich someone else.

Can confirm

So, that means we'll soon have a minimum of 5 weeks vacation time like the Europeans, right? Right?

I care about having a stable income.

And I prefer to do something not too abusive to get it.

If that's "not caring about work", then I guess that headline has always been true for me.

I just realized at some point how bullshit it is that I spend so much of my not doing what I really love to do. Work on projects I care about, hang out with friends, play games, go camping, sew, paint, read, cook, bake, all the little things we're told to appreciate get crammed into our limited waking hours after clocking out. And the job just sucks away the energy I have to do those things. Why do I have to be 65 (at least) to finally relax and just enjoy life?

People need to have the courage to tank the existing economy and rebuild without the feudalistic tendencies built in. We really ought not to be maintaining the peasant/lord dynamic at this point in history.

so what the solution beside not working guys ? in the past we have french revolution, now because everyone can watch netflix and play games nobody do shit anymore

I actually enjoy my job. I like the people and I like the environment and I get paid decently as well. From what I've observed personally, everybody wants a job but it seems like the general work ethic of the younger generation is very poor. Don't get me wrong. I'm not blaming them. I actually do not think it's their fault, I think it's just the way that they've been raised. So many iPad babies.