Classic Microsoft
Classic Microsoft
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I'm honestly surprised they're still updating Java edition
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That's the version people actually play, and which has the furthest developed systems to do bigger stuff. Look up PaperMC, it enables some wild stuff for Minecraft multiplayer.
The server options available for multiplayer in Bedrock are truly pathetic in comparison.
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I know. I've seen a lot of videos on the differences between Java and Bedrock, how Bedrock came to be, modding on Java like Feed The Beast, and multiplayer servers like 2BT2 (for those that don't know FitMC has some good vidoes on 2B2T; it's a neat rabbit hole to go down if you want to kill sometime).
What I am saying is I am surprised that Microsoft is still updating Java when there's so much money to be made nickle and diming players in Bedrock edition. Like paying for skins for example. It would definitely piss off a lot of the player base but I don't know if it would cause them to lose money in the long run. I imagine a lot of casual players are content using Bedrock and unaware of why Java is important.
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Kids are all playing Bedrock on their Switches and iPads. Microsoft is just passing the long game.
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Java is quite popular online due to all the mods and the videos people upload to YouTube using those mods, but I believe in terms of number of users, Bedrock outscores it quite a bit. The barrier to entry is lower – $7 on iOS/Android and most people have phones.
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People already pirate Java to shit, if they made it unavailable than that immediately legitimizes all of it under the game preservation argument.
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Genuine question: why does bedrock exist? What does it bring? Why is there the choice between java, bedrock and "Minecraft for windows"?
How do you fuck up this badly?
I tried using the launcher to move a java install from C: to another drive and it just points there and doesn't do anything? Steam had this stuff figured years ago
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Minecraft rewritten for better performance with platform interoperability in mind and so on. Essentially what could've or should've been a replacement to Minecraft if done right. It was not done right. Quite the opposite.
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Because Bedrock runs on phones, tablets, consoles, and a host of other random crap, and does so relatively well. Because of that the install base and playtime especially among younger players is actually massively skewed toward Bedrock being the more used. Add to that rumors that the Java codebase at least was a terrible mess, and the performance issues Java edition still has to this day and it's no wonder they wanted to do a full rewrite, especially after having to make things like the console editions and even one for the 3DS.
The windows launcher is annoying though.
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There's also the fact that Bedrock patches bugs that the Java community freaks out about patching. Several chunk update glitches and undesirable redstone behavior are exploited by the Java players, and they go nuts over the idea of fixing the issues. Bedrock, being a new codebase, obviously didn't port over old crusty bugs and therefore doesn't have to carry over those expectations.
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Also swapped performance issues with more bugs that were there years ago and still persist because they are almost impossible to fix.
In the end, we all know it was done either because they wanted to shove microtransactions down our throat and/or had some kind of deal to maintain the Java edition without microtransactions.
Or, maybe, just maybe, they though "it's just a block game, what could be so hard to rewrite it?" and absolutely failed what a single person got right almost immediately back in the day (like not falling through the floor all the time).
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rumors
You can remove that word, rly.
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Honestly? Most large companies are more like high school. It's all, friend groups, people rubbing each other's backs, and in-fighting between departments.
A lot of VERY LARGE decisions get made for the stupidest reason.
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Minecraft for windows is the old name for bedrock.
it was based on the same MCPE codebase -
Is there even a choice? You now get both games when you buy one(and you get the other game for free if you already own one) and you can play on bedrock on java servers with geysermc
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I accidentally bought Minecraft for windows for someone when I wanted java.. so that was fun.
The launcher just says "here are the options" it doesn't say why you might want to choose one over another. Ive played since day 0 so I've always gone with java.
Just felt like if bedrock was meant to replace java they should have just done it and dealt with it instead of having so many choices.
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They saw an opportunity to charge for mods on consoles.
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Famously always goes over well.
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Java > Bedrock
F*ck M$ for even making Bedrock...
It's an inferior version of Minecraft and it fractures the modding community.-
So just fuck everyone who doesn't play on Pc? There are aspects about bedrock that should be gotten rid of, but it's existence is for the ability for cross play to exist. I play both versions but bedrock made making a cross platform server for my friends and I (who all play on different consoles) possible.
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Instead of making bedrock edition,
they could have focused on supporting JVM, and thus Minecraft Java Edition, for more consoles.But since Java is a C# (also from M$) competitor, they likely did not want to go that route.
Anyways, you can play Java Edition on Linux, Mac, Windows and also Android.
Multiple consoles (E.g. PS4 / Nintendo Switch) unofficially support dual booting to Linux and/or Android.
For Android you can use PojavLauncher,
it even supports modpacks:
https://github.com/PojavLauncherTeam/PojavLauncherI will not touch Bedrock edition,
especially not since it requires you to sign in on your Windows with a M$ account, while my Windows KVM is Ameliorated, which strips the ability to do so, nor would I want to if I could.
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Honestly I don't see the issue here java already supports mods and they didn't fuck with it and just added a way to do it for suckers as well
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Agree. I just wish bedrock was a straight port from the java version instead of being borderline ruined, the only difference should have been better performance from not using java and it being rebuilt from ground up.
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I still remember when the Java edition was supposed to get a modding API...
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This song came out ten years ago...
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Microsoft and Mojang make a lot of stupid decisions. Or rather, asshole decisions. I'm tired of it all.
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Here's some Minecraft communities on Lemmy
!minecraftseeds@sh.itjust.works
!oldschoolminecraft@lemmy.world
Also Minetest
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Where's the modded one? It's like drugs, give me modded Minecraft, my body demands it
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Someone else linked one related modding but there are several other Minecraft communities that are more niche. There's one specifically for seeds for example.
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Wouldnt it make more sense to add official mod support to bedrock than to java? Java already has unofficial modloaders and more people play on bedrock edition
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The mods are shit too. I don't know what their API is like but it's clearly not good if you have this entire legacy of modded minecraft, a game which is (presumably) way better programmed and they're actively paying people to do it, yet they can barely accomplish a 10th of the quality.
Even if they were good you'd have to interact with that horse-shit mobile game premium currency model (which absolutely should be made illegal) where you have to buy currency in packs with bigger packs having a discount and are never in sizes that are usable for a single purchase. Having to pay for mods is contentious enough as is, but putting it behind abusive MTX is going to be a deal breaker for the rest.
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they srill advertise java for modding even though there's no "official" support tho
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Insert quip about minetest
Reminder that minetest (even with Mineclone 2) feels like "we have Minecraft at home" on a good day
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This meme format is awesome. kekw
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