It seems like an inefficient setup

odd how the "civilized world" seems to have such low standards for civilization.

I wouldn't necessarily call it civilized world, but yeah for basically every country that belongs to the so called "1st world" except the US it is and it takes a few years to become a police officer.

Like where?

The duration of the training in the Police Academy varies for the different agencies. It usually takes about 13 to 19 weeks on average but can last up to six months.

https://golawenforcement.com/articles/how-long-does-it-take-to-become-a-police-officer/

Up to six months... Yikes.

In the software engineer industry, if you spent a year in a coding bootcamp, I still wouldn't trust you to know what you're doing.

Sorta, kinda, depends on the jurisdiction. This is one of those things where you almost have to treat the US as 50 separate countries rather than one big one.

There are 2 year associate degree programs for police. A full degree or masters also gets you better placement, like going plainclothes detective day one. Federal level, like FBI or Marshalls, generally require higher education. Average beat cops in some 'burb, though? May or may not require anything more than a High School degree or GED.

Ah, so not here in the US.

If you’re curious about the downvotes, I imagine it’s because you didn’t really state why you stand by your stance.

As really it’s a pointless comment that adds nothing to the discussion.

How much do you think nurses make?

Why on earth would you assume 200k? I've seen a lot of misused rhetorical terms but this is a textbook strawman falicy.

Police officers make anywhere from 43k to 63k based on a quick Google, getting massive pay bumps as they are promoted up to over 100k for police chiefs, not to mention hazard pay and usually amazing benefits. Nurses make 56k to 88k, also generally with really good benefits and a lot of overtime. It would only be a 10-20k pay bump and I would love that if it meant fewer cops with much more professional training.

Teachers need a 4 year degree and a state license, and they don't get $200,000 or hazard pay.

Meh, where I live police are paid a little bit over the median wage, and they have to get a bachelor's degree (~3 years) in law enforcement before they can work as a police.

If your police system prioritizes protecting its own over serving the public, and you choose to join it anyway, then you are a bastard, so in that sense ACAB is true. The problem is that a lot of people have started using it to claim that all police, everywhere, in every system are bastards, and that just undermines the whole movement and ensures that we'll never have progress.

Man it makes me sad to be here. I only see other, actually developed countries tackling shit at its root rather than nonstop bandaid fixes for everything.

Always gonna be ask for forgiveness not permission in the US.

But is it "any" job?

Yeah, whenever I see videos where cops tell them that they are not cooperating when being silent after pleading the fifth, I get furious.

You are NOT compelled to answer any questions until a lawyer is present. Not answering questions does not and in no way constitute being uncooperative. Cooperative simply means following lawful orders, so even refusing to follow unlawful orders is not obstruction, uncooperative or whatever excuse they want to put on you.

Sadly, it's probably better to let the manchild have his power trip and complain about it afterwards. Prevents acute lead poisoning.

Yup. By now I’m pretty sure all the federal warrantless wiretap stuff probably applies to local police as well. They’re like parents and we’re like the kids, and they have access to all our phone activity.

ACAB as an actual term is a bit more ideological in nature, specifically, in regards to the task the police actually do, which is primarily protect the state and private property, no matter whether it's good or bad.

If the state tells the police to disrupt a protest about climate change? Then that is their job, and if they don't do it, they're effectively not doing what they're supposed to.

Here in the US, good cops don't last very long. They either die suspiciously or get bullied off the force.

At first when I heard the ACAB slogan, I thought it was rather judgemental. All cops are bad? Then I learned that the American police are hired primarily on having low IQs and receive only few weeks of training. Now I understand why Americans hate them. Not all American cops are bad, but majority of them probably are. What can we expect from hiring low IQ folks with minimal training and arm them to the teeth? No wonder the American cops are memes themselves.

And when they do get things wrong, they rarely get punished.

The slogan probably wouldn't be quite as prominent if the police that made mistakes like that were held accountable.

someone graduated from grammar nazi school with honors

Both. Since native english speakers use both in a regular manner, both versions are correct.

Unless it pays well and you recognize the need for law enforcement on some level, and don't have to worry about the corrupt system because it's already been gutted by this change.

Not true. There are quite a few cops with law degrees. It tends to get you right in the door at a higher level.

Typical lawyer pay also isn't as good as you might think. There's a few partners at major firms who make bank, but they're sitting on a pile of kids a few years out of school and struggling to make their student loan payments. Pay varies wildly by practice, too. Want to get involved in civil rights organizations? That's great and all, but you're not going to be paid well.

Why not? If you needed to pass the bar (or similar exam) and you had to complete police training we'd have to pay police a pretty good salary. They would be comparable with doctors in terms of qualifications and career investment.

In the case of cops, not knowing the law is actually a benefit. They've been allowed to enforce what they believe is law, and if they find something actually illegal in the course of enforcing imaginary law, then it's still valid.

Implying that the executive doesn’t need to know law is crazy

Its not entirely crazy.

Police exist to follow a very particular set of orders from their commanders (not unlike soldiers in the military). They get told "Keep people away from this building" or "Point this radar gun down the highway and don't come back to the office until you've cited at least 10 people over the speed limit" or "Keep anyone who looks suspicious out of this neighborhood" and they're graded on that task, not on the overarching capacity to enforce all laws.

In the same way you don't need to give a guard dog a chemistry degree, you don't need to give a cop a law license.

Sweden.

Finland. You can punch a cop in the face, and the only repercussions is that your are a violent moron with an pricey after math. You can avoid the pricey after math, if you give up before punching the cop in the face. :) (It's temporary jail time in both cases)

I remember being 5yo and asking my mom while police cars could drive through red lights with no lights on, while we had to wait.

At least there is a legitimate reasoning for your question.