Oh Joe...

On the one hand, he fumbled his words a few times pretty poorly. On the other hand, he didn't spend an hour blatantly lying.

I was watching CNN's coverage. I thought Biden did alright, asides from a few notable blunders that he recovered from. CNN's coverage made it sound like he needed to have his adult diapers changed mid question.

It's crazy how they're completely ignoring any substance of the debate and solely focusing on appearances. It's almost like that'd favour a populist candidate or something.

So the choice is between a senile old man with good intentions and a treasonous, syphalitic crook. And the crook has a non zero chance of winning.

Fuck me, what a shit show.

These two old people should be at home sleeping, not trying to run the country.

I've been chuckling about danger since 2016 when the democratic party pushed through hillary and then lost against a clown. The democratic party does not instill confidence (except in their ability to sabotage themselves).

The whole thing was the strongest argument against American exceptionalism I've ever witnessed.

In this thread: Depression and angry, and misplaced comparisons.

This doesn't change what we need to do, folks. Get Biden back in and use those four years to stay together and fix this bullshit. That's the goal. I think we ARE angry enough to finally achieve something like it.

It's not Joe. It's the fact that he's old, and Trump is old, stupid and a criminal felon. And we have no other choice? Out of the several hundreds of millions of Americans we get these two and that's it? How come no one else wants the job?

I will choose Biden 1000000000 times over Trumpfus. With Biden, China is what it is, an economical frienemy. With Trump they are our best friends and so on and so forth if they just give Trump tickets to the Padres game or something. No question, Biden. But if a piece of cheese 🧀🍕 was running and it could talk, I would vote cheese all the way!

Troofs. Yea I'll hafta vote Democrat cause holy fuck look at what republican means right now(also for as long as I was voting age). And while I want to just throw my vote away and vote third party because fuck both parties.... I do live in somewhat important not necessarily decided state. (Iirc pa went Trump in 2016 but Biden in 2020).

I forget the term for it, but fuck that thing that makes political bribes legal in the US. Fuck gerrymandering. And most of all fuck this two party system where both parties are owned, fucking outright, by companies and oligarchs and foreign influences.

Like if you don't already knew, both of them are not fit to be the president of United States of America.

Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich. Again. USA needs to somehow break free from the 2-party nonsense.

He had nothing to gain from agreeing to this debate.

Trying to watch that mess felt like listening to my schizophrenic relative explain her dream: Not fucking worth getting invested. Still voting against Trump but jeeze, this sure isn't helping the case for our electoral system. Giant douche or Turd sandwich would literally be more compelling.

So fucked. Goddamnit.

They should have just given him those drugs. You can't appease Nazis so it's idiotic to try.

Project 2025 here we go

We tried to encourage the Democratic Party to primary someone else, someone who doesn't reek of genocide and cognitive decline.

Looking pretty stupid not having a Primary lol

This whole night was so many layers of exhausting, but probably not for the reasons you think... No rational, serious person was expecting Biden to Willy Wonka front somersault into this debate? it was going to be what this was, the only true surprise was probably the volume of his voice (which they chalk up to a cold, okay fine, I guess) and actually how well he did quickly processing and responding to trump's gish gallop and unchecked stream of consciousness mistruth firehose with little help from the impotent moderators for the majority of the night.

The people in this country, in their immediate reaction to this debate, demonstrate that they just fundamentally lack the focus, empathv and frankly basic intelligence to process the substance of this or any debate. On average, we respond solely to voice pitch, tonality, body language and facial expressions, like a still developing toddler... Or a dog.

As a European I always wonder why Americans don't create an alternative party to the Democrats, after all it is the party that in 2016 cheated in the primaries so that Hillary would win and still lost to an idiot. If you create a real left-wing party you can seriously propose things like socialized healthcare just as the right is not shy about proposing crazy things like banning abortion.

The only difference is that they have been successful in colonizing the Republican Party and the Democratic Party is simply an outdated instrument that no longer represents its own bases.

As a European… we’re not really fond of this situation either. Both candidates would get laughed off stage here. I don’t mind a seasoned, older politician, but these two should stick to golf and not running a country. Get yourself some better candidates or better, vote for a third party.

Bro just vote your way out of it.

When did you get unbanned?

i will retreat into isolation for the next four years. let me know if somebody kills trump.

Jack Johnson vs Johnson Jack

We're done. Vote democrat all you want, the people in the swing states vote for people that help them, and so far they are looking at Trump.

I am in SF Bay Area in CA, like literally the 4th largest economy in the world, my vote is worthless.

Liberals! Repeat after me: Contested Convention!

That is not how democracy should be. Americans do deserve better.

What did I miss?

I didn't know biden was this far gone. We're so fucked. the DNC is such a shitshow, they'll refuse to nominate anyone else, and the debates prove he doesn't have a chance.

If trump wins the election, democracy in the western world is dead. The DNC needs to pull their collective heads out of their collective asses and figure this shit out real fucking fast.

All of everyone right now:

(chuckles) I'm in danger.

The democrats really want to lose this election.

Biden's cognitive problems were laid bare to the whole world to see. imagine a president of the strongest country in the world.

brace yourselves for another 4 years of Trump.

What happened? I live in the US but I don't pay attention to much of anything

Needs more fire, but yes

The goose is cooked. Bidens' not going to be the nominee.

Good thing the DNC both a) prevented any kind of a meaningful primary and b) insisted that they get to select the delegates for the convention.

Anyways. Can Blue Maga all bow their heads now and admit they were wrong; that they've been wrong the whole time; and that their insistence on running this geriatric is them giving Trump the greatest opportunity to win?

Stroke Victim vs. Shitting Baby

Could be worse it could be dolt 45-34 counts.

I very much miss the breadth of communities and depth of knowledge that came with Reddit. I am reminded on days like this how disconnected I have become since they burned the books.

The conspiracy theorists all say Joe is supposed to step down and Gavin Newsom somehow is added to the ticket which then will win. These conspiracy theorists also say that candidates are selected in advance by the powers that be and it’s all pagentry to deceive the gullible masses. Perhaps you are supposed to feel this way as part of the pagentry?

told ya. you guys are getting trump.

Been saying this. Biden is not up to the mark at all. Not an American but you can't count on an old man. I don't want trump bad comments I know. That's why it's important to have a better Candidate. Who selects their Candidates? Im not that deeply educated on American electoral process. Also alienating your opposition is not a good strategy, but a lot of people on lemmy insist on it for some reason. Don't want a world war, so please do something and get a better leader.

Edit: Apparently i have to also explain that im not suggesting they change their candidate now. That's brain dead. I do not like trump supporters, i don't like biden supporters on lemmy. Always so defensive but I understand, that how desperate you are and the situation is.

6 4 months left to jump ship to a third party candidate. Still plenty of time to get a movement going.

Biden just threw the last remainder of his election chances away. Not sure why everyone's still pretending he has a chance.

Have the Democrats said CNN is Russian propaganda yet?