If the obscenely wealthy benefit most from having Republicans in power; and collectively they have disproportionate control over the economy; wouldn't they use that power to sabotage Democrats?
If the obscenely wealthy benefit most from having Republicans in power; and collectively they have disproportionate control over the economy; wouldn't they use that power to sabotage Democrats?
You think they don't? See
20They sometimes do, just look at what Musk is doing. They also
bribedonate to the democrats in an effort to influence them (this is lobbying).Why do anything illegal, when you can bribe and defame in the media you own? It looks a lot less suspicious and is a lot more sustainable.
Unless something changes, the rich have basically sabotaged the democratic party into being a center-right party. That's why it won't be a left-wing party in the foreseeable future.
If you don't believe me, just look up why the Democrats tolerate the Manchins and the Sinemas within their ranks.
13That's why they trot out Jill Stein every four years to try and split the vote.
13Yes, and they do.
13Are you under the impression that they don't?
120As an example... fox news.
44And the Sinclair Media Group.
To answer OP's question succinctly, yes, and they do.
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The general consensus seems to be which ever party is in power has the most control over the economy.
-34I think that's only a consensus among people who don't understand the economy very well. The truth is politicians have very little control over the economy particularly in the short term. At most politics is able to nudge the economy very slightly like the rudder on a massive ship that takes years to turn.
Course there are some things you can do. Tariffs is an obvious one, completely bungling a global pandemic is probably another, etc..
25It's pretty difficult to control a lot of the economy still, especially where international concerns like the OPEC price setting cartel, yet oil prices are often blamed on leadership.
...but also, establishment politicians have a pretty fixed economic ideology that doesn't change all that much, further constraining their reactions which are mostly classist.
Then there's macroeconomic policies like interest rates, which globally Western governments seem to prefer to leave entirely up to central bankers.
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They would, and they do.
But because they're rich and determined to play both sides of the fight, they also pour some (less) money towards the Democrats to have some leverage.
12The Republicans have been caught entirely funding the green party in multiple swing states.
They absolutely use their money to sabotage the democrats
46Either sabotage Democrats or make them pursue more right wing policies, which is why there was so much Reagan praise at the DNC when every dem voter under 40 hates his guts.
36I'm 50 and I hate that piece of shit.
19bit older and so do i
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It's called gerrymandering.
Been going on my entire life so far
27The obscenely wealthy donate to both parties. Both parties protect the interests of the wealthy.
Hell, there have been two Democratic administrations that had total congressional control over the last sixteen years. The minimum wage is still seven bucks an hour.
23WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
and all that
4Whatever you may think, rich people do donate to the democrats too †
Given that the orange clown may not win the election, they need to bribe democrats into doing their bidding. This is what lobbies do.
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They play both sides where possible because they can afford to
12....there are a ton of billionaire Democrat backers.
2I think choice and/or the illusion of choice needs to be there for either side's fringe elements to have a safe outlet for their frustrations. There needs to be a viable left-leaning party to control potential socialist or communist agitators. If they just completely shut down the Democratic party, then there's the potential that somebody outside of the control of the aristocratic classes comes to power. Having the Democratic party around gives them a chance to funnel those people through the system and subtly bend them and make them more agreeable to the system. So maybe somebody would've been a bomb-throwing anarchist advocating for blowing up the status quo and beheading all the billionaires, but when processed through the Democratic party, maybe they turn into somebody like AOC or Bernie Sanders or something, still willing to work within the system and less likely to advocate revolution.
I'm still not sure about Trump, he still seems like an abnormality or a glitch in the system. I don't know if he went AWOL and the aristocracy doesn't want to move against their own, or if he's just part of "the plan" to move the country to the Right and having a crazy man-child as president gives them cover to push through all their extreme right-wing policies while everyone else fixates on the latest dumb thing that Trump tweeted. Or maybe it's all just anarchy and there is no conspiracy of the aristocracy, I don't know. Trump's existence just seems like one of those things the TVA would've come in and destroyed this whole timeline over.
6Can you describe their “power over the economy”?
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