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'It even breaks my heart a bit': Denuvo pushes back on its haters, says Steam forums are a 'very toxic, very hostile environment'

www.pcgamer.com 'It even breaks my heart a bit': Denuvo pushes back on its haters, says Steam forums are a 'very toxic, very hostile environment'

Denuvo's quest to improve its reputation with PC gamers is personal.

Denuvo's quest to improve its reputation with PC gamers is personal.

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Oh look, Denuvo playing the victim.

And it exemplifies rather well why I hate the word "toxic": bad reputation? Toxic! Criticism? Toxic!

Bullshitting like «it's in part because it "simply works" and would-be pirates are trying to make it unattractive to game publishers by disparaging it.»? Noooo that is not toxic because it aligns with the discourse that Denuvo wants to spread, right?

"I'm with the company for such a long time," said Ullmann. "The guys here are like my family, because a lot of the others here are also here for ages. It just hurts to see what's posted out there about us, even though it has been claimed wrong for hundreds of times."

"Insert personal story to make it look like you aren't criticising software; no, you're criticising a family. You monster~

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- You can be a great person and still write garbage software. Whether you're just doing it because you need money or whether you're misguided and think it's actually good, that doesn't necessarily make you a bad person (and remember: It's hard to get someone to understand something when their salary depends on not understanding it).
  
  Doesn't make the software less garbage.
  
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  A person is good or bad depending on their impact on the people around them; as such I don't consider "misguided" a valid defence.
  
  And while someone can be overall a good person while writing socially harmful and user-hostile software, because they have other qualities that compensate it, writing said software still makes them a worse person.
  
  It’s hard to get someone to understand something when their salary depends on not understanding it
  
  So it's hard to be good when your salary depends on you being bad.
  
  Don't get me wrong. I'm analysing this through my moral views, but I don't think that they're the only valid ones. Your mileage may vary.
  
  My other comment was mostly on how idiotic the whole defence is, not about morality (as this one).
  
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- When a plant or an animal is toxic, very often it's a defense mechanism.
  
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- Most people that i know that use the word toxic, are the things that they mean when they say toxic. Its a worthless word in the contexts its being used in.
  
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The upcoming Dragon Age: The Veilguard will somewhat surprisingly not use Denuvo at all

There’s the tell. Publishers might start listening to their customers, who generate income, rather than their vendors’ sales personnel, who create expenses. He’s panicked over a potential existential crisis.

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- Huh. This is literally the best advertising veilguard has ever had.
  
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Fuck Denuvo. DRM does not benefit the gamer. Period. No amount of gaslighting will change that.

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Have you tried not hurting game performance?

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- Better yet, have they tried not fucking with gamers' property rights by shutting down their criminal company?
  
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Denuvo has the reputation it has for a reason, and labeling their critics (most of the gaming community) as salty pirates is not going to help them any.

When it comes to performance claims, why on Earth would I believe the salespeople for Denuvo over the people forced to play with it? The former has every inventive to quash any and all claims of causing performance issues.

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@BrikoX The only thing Denuvo can ever do is make the product worse. Plenty of games launch DRM-free, and that's what I want as a customer.

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denuvo is hostile and toxic program

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And just like that my opinion of the steam forums skyrocketed.

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I haven't bought a Denuvo-protected game in about a decade, and that isn't going to change.

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- Denuvo-~~protected~~infested
  
  FTFY. The notion that Denuvo "protects" anything whatsoever is itself accidental pro-Denuvo loaded language.
  
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  Unrelated, but I just figured out what FTFY means thanks to your comment.
  
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  Nah, that's a dumb take. Denuvo does protect from casual piracy - even if only temporarily - that's why companies use it.
  
  It also negatively affects legit consumers, and that is the problem - these publishers have decided that potential profit matters more than actual, realized customers.
  
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https://www.pcgamer.com/a-great-day-for-drm-as-denuvo-lapse-renders-tons-of-games-temporarily-unplayable/ - how does this make games better?

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To be fair. The Steam forums are actually pretty bad in general and could do with better moderation.

Having said that, there is a reason why some corporations have the reputation that they have. Might want to fix the thing that is causing that reputation instead of blaming everyone else for your bad reputation. But that would be the harder thing to do that takes time and effort and no one likes to put effort in.

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- What do you mean?
  All I see are hearts and love ❤️❤️❤️❤️. /s
  
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  Skill issue.
  
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I'm with the company for such a long time," said Ullmann. "The guys here are like my family, because a lot of the others here are also here for ages. It just hurts to see what's posted out there about us, even though it has been claimed wrong for hundreds of times.

It hurts???
I understand he's being paid to gobble corporate dick, but at least try to mask it like most people do lmao

You couldn't pay me to embarrass myself like this

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It's because we fucking hate you, Denuvo.

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Very toxic, and very hostile if you do stupid, dumb corpo bullshit. Fuck this guy.

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Sometimes some people need to get bullied

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Fuck Denuvo. They just slithered their way into Undisputed with the 1.0 update and I’m stuck without a boxing game again.

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Fuck off, Denuvo.

Yes, the Steam forums are awful, but still. Fuck off. Nobody wants you here.

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- Nobody wants Denuvo anywhere Shrivel up and die at earliest convenience plzkthx <3
  
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If I read a forum where people are known to object to what I do, there’s a fair chance I’ll get my feelings hurt. That’s on me.

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What's with all the recent articles whitewashing Denuvo?

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- They are trying to "save face" by shit talking while refusing to show any true evidence that their product does not impact performance.
  
  People are tired of it so they stop buying games that have Denuvo. Denuvo needs to look like a sound investment, but it's bleeding out because it really isn't, and companies are likely losing more than they are actually gaining via sales because of Denuvo, thus some companies are distancing themselves and Denuvo is losing money.
  
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- The PR firm they hired must have not googled how hated they were ahead of time. How long till we see bots saying hey love getting broken games with spyware.
  
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- [...] a new effort by Denuvo to bring PC gamers over to its side, which kicked off with a Discord server last week (it didn't go well) and an interview with Rock Paper Shotgun this week
  
  PR baybeeeeee
  
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The steam-forums are often toxic and hostile. But denuvo also is and every hate justified. It does absolutely nothing good for the honest consumer. Quite the contrary.

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If anyone deserves the Steam forums' shit it's these cunts.

No amount of hostility will ever reach the levels they've earned with their malware shit.

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You know, i prefer my cyberpunk dystopias to be ballsy enough to just say it with their chest. You'd never catch Lofwyr groveling like this.

I'd also very much prefer dragons, or at least technological implants, but whatever.

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lol. lmao, even. cry more Denuvo.

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Awhhh. Noooo. Not the big big corop's feelings. We're all sooooo sorrry. 🤡

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