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The last thing I ever want to do is 'Learn more' or have you 'Remind Me Later': Microsoft is pushing fullscreen ads for Windows 11 laptops to people still using Windows 10

www.pcgamer.com The last thing I ever want to do is 'Learn more' or have you 'Remind Me Later': Microsoft is pushing fullscreen ads for Windows 11 laptops to people still using Windows 10

Another win for Linux Guy accelerationism.

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Hey Microsoft, if you want me to upgrade to Windows 11, you could start by removing the completely arbitrary requirement to have TPM 2.0.

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- Why do we even need a toilet paper machine 2.0 to use windows 11?
  
  Joke aside, yeah what's up with that? People been able to bypass it and have no problem.
  
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  Rumour is it's literally only there as an olive branch to hardware manufacturers to force people to buy new hardware. There's literally no technical reasons for it.
  
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  It’s for OS level DRM. And I would bet some spying too.
  
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  The toilet paper machine is to mop up all the shit they keep dropping on us.
  
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  In lieu of the bullshit replies you have gotten, I will answer.
  
  TPM is a security measure. By default your hard drive on Windows 11 will be protected with bit locker. Bit locker is hard drive encryption. It does more stuff but that's the broad strokes. This means that if your laptops get stolen or your computer gets stolen or whatever it is no longer in danger of all of your information and files being taken.
  
  There are other advantages as well. For example a TPM could make it much easier for anti-cheat to detect cheating. However, no games use it yet because not every system has a TPM, blah blah blah.
  
  TPM is actually a really good thing. The problem is that the vast majority of systems do not have a TPM header and therefore cannot add a TPM. This means that those systems have to be replaced.
  
  I work for a managed service provider so I deal with a lot of companies that refuse to upgrade their systems. Thanks to Windows 11 they are being forced to upgrade systems that are up to 15 years old and basically unusable. This is actually kind of a godsend. There are downsides to this yes, but it is not just some ill thought out idea.
  
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- I had an HP Zbook Workstation. With TPM1.x Initially said get ready for W11, then months later meeage: this model fails TPM 2.0 requirement, CPU OK. I used HP firmware tool to upgrade from TPM 1.x to TPM2.0. A recheck with W11 a few months later: TPM OK, CPU no good. Last month the message about the system not being upgradeable to W11 disappeared and replaced with a link: to learn more about W11. Wtf. Do they even know what system requirements they need?
  
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  The system requirements were picked by their marketing team
  
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- Sadly, Microsoft doesn't need to do anything to have you to upgrade to Windows 11: you just need to buy a new device in the mainstream market. Aside from building your rig from scratch, of course.
  
  SteamDeck is a good example: Microsoft didn't do nothing to promote the handheld PC gaming industry, even if Valve shown that their free and licenseless OS proved to be the best one... most OEM deliver Window's only PC handheld, because they are afraid to lose the market segment of those who pirate PC games.
  
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  If any of those who pirate PC games are reading here: for now all my pillaged goods are working fine on Steam Deck and on Desktop Linux.
  
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- I think when the time comes I'll give Windows 11 ltsc a look which has tpm be optional. Less bloatware too.
  
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  Use Rufus to install it, you don't need tpm. It also debloats it
  
  It's a good OS, despite what the Linux teenagers on Lemmy would have you believe
  
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- That's become quite the handy "don't upgrade this to Windows 11" switch to have.
  
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You mean “fullscreen ads for Linux”

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Hopefully this nonsense doesn’t affect the LTSC version. Using that has been a breath of fresh air - still Windows, less crap. Not even the store is installed by default.

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- It doesn't. I doubt it will in the future, but its possible.
  
  I still would recommend moving to another solution though.
  
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- LTSC?
  
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  Long Term Service Channel. It's a branch that is used by devices that may not be recommended to be on the latest version of Windows, for example ATMs. When the device needs to essentially be consistently reliable and not received feature updates that could potentially break it.
  
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  LTSC
  
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- Yes, but the entirety of windows is crap.
  
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  Windows has ease on its side. I've never had to learn CMD to achieve basic tasks in Windows and that's one of, if not the biggest point against Linux.
  
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  In my opinion, not entirely, the underlying NT kernel seems better designed than Linux.
  Windows 7 was very good, later versions were turned into crap.
  
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I only use windows at work

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- I sometimes use doors as well, or I get weird looks
  
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I never seen a ad, is this because I debloated 10?

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- I also seem to have a fully housebroken windows 10. I know my PC has TPM, so it should be compatible with windows 11, but so far, it hasn't shit inside
  
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I pirate a copy of Enterprise LTSC specifically to avoid bullshit like this.

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- Ohh that's a terrible thing to do, where would you go to do that so I stay far far away
  
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  Ye'd be digging yourselves a MASS GRAVE if ye did go there.
  
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Got one yesterday. I’ve already made up my mind that I’m likely to switch to Linux Mint on my current PC and run that till it drops dead. Because I’m sure as shit not messing with or upgrading my three year old PC over something asinine like a TPM module. I don’t even want a new Windows. I like my PC just fine the way it is.

If Microsoft thinks they can force me to Windows 11, I fucking dare them. I switched to Mac before and I’m not afraid to switch to any other OS either.

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Got it

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I always Alt+F4 when they pop up, gets rid of them until the next time

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- There's a very tiny option in the bottom left that says "keep using windows 10"
  
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Blah blah blah

I always laugh at these comments. Edge is fantastic, same with 0365. But yeah libre is soooo much better.

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- 365 is helpful, but feature parity between app and web app is not perfect, and files done in web have compatibility issues when somebody opens on app version. Also have had issues on collaboration where somebody left their laptop open with autosave on, so all my changes and corrections kept getting overridden whenever their system autosaved. Terrible implementation.
  
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  I run the team that does MSP and cloud services for 1000 people. MS365 works mostly great. This community is somewhat mistaken what non technical, gamers and business users value.
  
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- I personally pretty much stopped using Word Editors, and wouldn't use a proprietary one if I did, but I recognise they're still pretty important for the majority of people.
  
  I worked with a company that used O365 last year. Was kinda underwhelmed. Desktop Apps still don't really work well with simultaneous editing of a document, Web Apps don't have all the features of the desktop versions (didn't matter that much in Word, but was annoying in Excel).
  
  I think that the online collaboration implementation of Google's Suite is still a lot more seamless. O365 Desktop and Web stuff feels like a weird attempt to mix two separate products.
  
  For most use cases I've seen, you could probably give the user any modern office suite, whether it be proprietary or open source, and they wouldn't mind too much.
  
  Independent of all privacy concerns, I personally just don't like Edge's UX, but I recognise that it's a serviceable Browser.
  
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  I don't think your experience is what most people experience. The vast majority of sharing issues is education on role and user based sharing.
  
  If you understand the difference between a kink that works for everyone and the difference between a view only and edit permissions then it works just fine.
  
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Lolol just upgrade.

MS has to constantly deal with this shit from users who refuse to install a damn patch.

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- Windows 11 from Windows 10 is not installing "a damn patch".
  
  Also Windows 11 is terrible. Along with Edge WebView2, the entirety of the O365 suite now (see Edge WebView2), etc.
  
  An upgrade would be wiping the machine to install Linux or buying a Mac.
  
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  Not only that, but hundreds of millions of PCs can't 'just upgrade' because Microsoft has arbitrarily blocked them from doing so without resorting to hacks in order to bypass those blocks.
  
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  All these people are future linux enjoyers, they just don't know it yet lol
  
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  Edge webview2 is used by some non Microsoft things as well, so I have to unblock it occasionally while it fucks my low bandwidth connection.
  
  And it somehow unblocks itself occasionally, and is the only thing to have ever done that which is wild, but there's probably a simple reason for it that idk. It still doesn't deserve internet privileges 99% of the time.
  
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