6mo ago

Will Luigi Mangione be bailed out?

As a British lad, I've been keeping tabs on the news about this guy and the wide support he's getting.

With so much support, surely the public will get him out of jail just to spite the bastard rich kids and their CEO baron fathers?

The Man who was shot allowed a massive corporation to dangle its strings over people's lives, medication being pulled away which is horrifying to me who uses the NHS as my primary medical service for hearing.

What do you think? Will Luigi "The CEO Reaper" Mangione ever get out of prison?

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I expect he will be denied bail if they can show the evidence against him is strong enough. Even if you have enough money, that’s just not a guarantee. They don’t set the bail at $50mn or something, it’s just not an option offered.
The boring but probably correct answer is he never breathes free air again, and his best case scenario is avoiding the death penalty.
- his best case scenario is avoiding the death penalty.
  Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't the jury decide not to convict him and he'd be a free man? I've read that in some places at least. Or is there a mechanism to prevent that?
  
  It’s theoretically possible but it requires a justice system that is actually blind. A justice system that didn’t just assign him a judge who’s married to a dude that was a former executive at a pfizer and still holds hundreds of thousands of dollars in healthcare companies, which apparently is something that she feels doesn’t require her to recuse herself even given the stature of this case
  The jury selection process will be rigorous and will ensure that the people sitting on the panel are sympathetic to capitalists
  
  That might happen but is very unlikely. Jury selection is done by both sides so it's very unlikely you'd get a jury united in deciding not to convict him.
  However the Supreme Court ruled that jury verdicts have to be unanimous. It is very possible that the jury is unable to reach a unanimous verdict if 1 or more jurors refuse to convict. If this happens it would be a mistrial, and the case would be retired with a new jury. In theory this could keep happening until either a unanimous verdict is reached by a jury or a judge decides that this should not be retried as its been tried multiple times without outcome.
  Another key element will be his defense which could lead to him getting a not guilty verdict. The only real defense as a mitigation would be insanity. Otherwise it seems unlikely (albeit possible) that it's the wrong man.
  The most likely scenario is a jury unanimously convicts him in my opinion. However people may feel about the case, a jury has to make a decision on whether the facts show he committed a crime - it seems pretty clear there is enough evidence to make a decision and it's unlikely other factors will come in to play in a jury room.
  
  They are gonna bribe and threaten this jury like we've never seen before.
- Assuming he doesn't get Epstein'd

Luigi Mangione is a random person who attacked corporate America. Therefore, he is utterly fucked. Whatever anyone does to help him, ultimately his fate is already sealed.
- He did the math and decided that one moment of action was worth more to him than it cost. The rich of America need to see that vast wealth inequality leads to more and more people coming to the same conclusion. That's why they will make sure he is sentenced to death, to let us know what the cost will be. But a life lived in misery is only worth so much, and death is the worst they can do.
  
  The thing though, once a person make this decision, they no longer fear death
  That person is very dangerous
- The capitalists are in charge, but they are also utterly fucked.
  The last thing you want to do with a spartacus-type enemy is to make them a martyr. They already fucked up by parading him around with those guards while he looks like the second coming of Christ. Nailing him to the cross is not going to solve any of their problems.

Politics aside. The court is not going to grant bail to anyone accused of first degree murder who is a flight risk. And given the current narrative seems to be that he shot a man in NYC and was found in another state. I'd say they'd consider him a flight risk.

The ruling class doesn't want him martyred but they want him killed so very much.
My bets are he is given a life sentence with a groomed jury and he is extrajudicially executed in prison by an unknown agent.

Making bail is the least of his concerns in there. He will be lucky if he doesn't get "Epstein'd".
- His haircut and shave are signs the other prisoners are sending to the guards that this man is protected and not to fuck with him.
  
  The only resource I can find about this phenomenon is a threads discussion about Luigi. You wouldn't happen to have an alternate source, would you?
  
  What?
- If his trial starts going his way, he definitely will.
  
  We do have an wild tradition of suicide in this country when people are causing owner class problems

Last I read, he has not requested bail. They wouldn't let him out, anyway, and he's smart enough that he knows it--he attacked the ruling class and they want to make an example of him.
- I'm fairly certain they set his charges without bail. If so it means no amount of money would allow him out. (For the time until his court cases)
  If I'm wrong about that, please let me know someone... Because that's what I always thought without bail meant

on the wishful thinking side, biden pardons. also wishful: innocent until proven guilty, and that the evidence was planted.
but yeah, we will just have to wait on how the proceedings go. UHC has already flexed money in subduing luigi awareness merch.
- They won't have even decided if these are state or federal charges by the time Biden is out of office. And if he's pardoned on the federal charges, the state can still charge him
  
  good point about the separation of federal and state charges.
  oh well, that's how far that wishful thinking goes.
  
  Unless I’m missing something, the charges have already been made and he’s given his plea. It’s federal charges (terrorism) and it’s my understanding that the state couldn’t then charge him over the same crime, only other crimes that were significantly different.
- Wishful thinking would be if the killer struck again while Luigi was in jail.
  
  good wishful thinking. very wishful enough!
- Apparently Biden’s been running on like one cylinder for the last 3 years (who could have guessed) so I guess you’d have to hope his team of DNC operatives would pardon; which will not happen.
  They’re mostly just pardoning people who defrauded Medicaid and put kids in to private prisons for kickbacks, while revoking student debt cancellation.
  You know, pulling the mask off since nothing matters anymore.
  
  pardoning people who defrauded Medicaid and put kids in to private prisons for kickbacks
  He didn't aim to pardon them specifically. They belonged to a class of offenses he pardoned. Just like he pardoned weed possessors. They were surely scumbags on that list as well.
  
  Revoking student loan debt relief was the SCs fault, not Biden's.
  
  Thanks for the input. Yeah, DNC is just how DNC rolls.
  
  Apparently Biden’s been running on like one cylinder for the last 3 years
  All eight cylinders fired just fine when it came to pardoning his crackhead son.

The US is an oligarchy. Your worth as a human is directly tied to your monetary worth, starting at $1M. So no.
- But, his family is worth over a 100 million
  
  Deff owner class but the owner class calling the shots here tbh.
  Luigi went straight for the king makers here

It would be a shame if a few people in NYC started posting signs on every corner with a brief description of jury nullification and a QR code with a link to explain it further until the trial is over.
- Sounds like you want someone else to do all the work :/ in general, if you want change to happen, you have to be willing do something about it. One-sentence suggestions aren't likely to getting us any closer to educating people about jury nullification 🤦
  
  Yeah let me just go to where this dude is being tried from Texas to post signs. If there is one thing that humans are good at, and has effectively made us the dominating species on the planet, it's communication. That's what I'm doing. I am unable to affect that sort of change in that area because its extremely far away. Do you live in NY?
  Also from the looks of it, you got butthurt that I laughed at another comment of you backing down from explaining yourself so you decided that you would look at my post history from last week to see if you could do the same.
  So, to get into this a little further, do you live in NYC? If so, please post some signs, if you do not, why the fuck are you commenting on this?

The working class, no matter how much money they pull together, cannot battle the ruling class in this way. He will not be allowed bail if we even tried

Feel free to crosspost to !AskUSA@discuss.online

Doubt it very much. Bail is for the rich. An example must be made.

You think the poor plebs have any power over the matter? This your first almost incitement of revolution that goes nowhere?

I was half asleep I read Luigi's mansion.
- Luigi's Mansion: Bailout

Thank @samus12345@lem.ee who replied elsewhere:
https://toure.substack.com/p/new-reporting-luigis-hair-is-a-sign

This article on violence: sacrifices, and retribution was a good read.

Personally I would prefer that he get out of jail as soon as he is not considered a risk to society, since that is the only valid justification for prisons. Maybe months, probably years. And then he can consider the evilness and futility of his act.
And for all the people celebrating it here, you might consider your own hypocrisy and outright callousness at defending the indefensible. I still can't quite get over my shock at the level of hatred and vituperation here. I thought this community would be better than that.
From a person who knew Luigi Mangione, just published in Unherd:
But while thousands reacted on social media with laughter emojis to Thompson’s murder, I was sickened. Vigilantism is always wrong. If you celebrate someone gunning down a defenceless person in the street, then you advocate for a world in which this is an acceptable thing for anyone to do. You advocate for a world in which a stranger can decide that you’re also a bad person, and gun you down in the street. In such a world, I promise you, your health insurance would cost much more.
- Get off your high horse and shut the fuck up. Were you shocked when people celebrated Kissinger or Bin Laden dying or do you only get upset at corporate America?
  You advocate for a world in which a stranger can decide that you’re also a bad person, and gun you down in the street. In such a world, I promise you, your health insurance
  WE CURRENTLY LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE AN UNQUALIFIED STRANGER CAN DECIDE YOU DON'T DESERVE MEDICAL TREATMENT. Healthcare CEOs kill people EVERY DAY but we should draw the line when it's a gun and not a denial letter? Get the fuck out of here with that logic.
  Go point your outage at the millions of innocent people who die every day from preventable disease. Or if that's too abstract for you, how about the people getting bombed and starved in Palestine?
  
  Palestine? Kissinger? Completely irrelevant. You are advocating first-degree murder. Look in the mirror and start there.
  The bureaucratic plumbing of American healthcare? So fix it then! Vote. Send letters. Get more involved in politics. Protest. What have you done about the problem you seem so worked up about, apart from cheer on a murderer? What?
  If speaking out against vigilante murderers is "being on a high horse", that's fine by me and I'll stay there.
- Asklemmy: what do CEO boots taste like? I'm sure they will see this post
  
  Right. Because being against vigilantism must mean you love vigilante victims.
  
  No idea, I don't know any CEOs. I'm disappointed you seem to think that a job title disqualifies someone from the right to life, the right not to be murdered.
- The rich and the poor came to an agreement once upon a time, a social contract if you will. That contract was - You treat us with respect and pay us our worth, or we drag you into the street. The rich have broken that contract
  
  The world you are advocating is a very dark place indeed. In historical terms, it's France of 1794. A bloodbath that ended, as it always has in history, with a conservative backlash and a dictatorship. You talk in grandiose terms of the social contract but you seem not to know much about history.
- Replace Thompson with Anwar and Abdulrahman al-Awlaki.
  Our celebratory reaction to Thompson being brought to justice isn't going to lead to bad things. No, it's the result of being on the losing end of the world we already inhabit.
  
  Brought to justice? Is this the kind of "justice" you advocate for every transgression or are you making an exception for this one? Who decides what the penalties are? You? What if some other evil CEO committed some other nebulous "crime" but only a bit less serious, what would he deserve? Just a beating in the street? An hour in your personal torture dungeon?
  In a civilized society we have institutions that dispense justice. They operate on the principle that a law must be broken first. If you don't like the law, then you first need to get the law changed. You don't get to decide unilaterally who gets punished how much and for what.

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