4mo ago

Best way to turn off people and get lower tips

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That's wild. If we go out for a meal (UK) we'll just leave whatever change we have on the table or hand it to the waitress that served us, maybe 5 to 10 quid. If they try to make it a part of the payment, they'll get nothing.
- That's because the UK has stronger wage protections than the US. Here the Federal minimum wage for "tipped positions," which are their own special category, is only $2.13 per hour. The management literally expects you, the customer, to make up for their payroll shortfall.
  Related fun fact: The reason the US (still) has such a tipping culture at all is, as usual, the result of post-slavery racism when business owners flat out refused to actually pay any of their newly freed black employees, and instead demanded their customers to do it for them. For those positions, tips were the only way those people got paid.
  So yes, US business owners would absolutely force their employees to work for no pay if they could get away with it.
  
  I live in a state where our servers make state minimum wage. 16+ dollars an hour. They still ask for tips. So the fed minimum doesn’t really change anything in making up the payroll shortfall.
  
  $2.13 is true and wrong.
  The minimum wage plus tips is $7.25.
  In other words, if you tip someone under federal law, and that person works 40 hours per week, after 1 week, 40*5 = $200 were stolen from your tips by the employer from employee. As if the person earned $0 in tips, the $200 would have to be covered by the employer.
  
  Semi-hijacking: delivery apps are notoriously good at finding legal loopholes and can very often pay sub minimum wage in places other than the US too. As a European, I try not to order food from them, but when I do, those are the only people I tip more than 10%/rounding up.

lol 100% tip? Your tipping culture is so bad.
- It's not just the tipping part of our culture that's bad. The entire thing is rot.
  
  maybe a revolution would be in order. :)
- I’ve never seen anything above 30% suggested anywhere in the US. This is an extreme outlier and would make even people used to our crazy tipping culture balk.
  
  I have most definitely seen higher effective suggestions at coffee shops. I ordered a single drip coffee (~$2.50) and the suggestions were $1, $2, or $3.

Does anyone just not tip anymore if it's counter service? It does not require that much effort to take something from a glass case and give it to me.
If you're actively walking around, giving me and checking in on my meal, that's when I tip.
- Full table service = tip Otherwise you’ll get nothing from me
- It's an automatic $0 tip if I have 0 interaction with anyone but the cashier, that's for sure.
- anymore
  Never did.

I'd cancel my order and leave.
- I'd hit the custom button and leave my customary 20%. If course if they gave me any shit I would never return
  
  error. must be between 150% and 1000%
  
  For this? I'd hit the custom button and put in $0.02, and then tell them exactly why they're getting that tip. I only get "thank you!" if I double the cost of my order? fuck off. 30% is not a "so-so" tip, that's the upper end of the best tips I give.

Tip is a recognition of an excellent service, not a right. I would pay without any tip and leave some cash on the table if the service was good (few pounds usually).
- Thats europe. In north america, waiters are paid below minimum wage and the tips are supposed to make up the rest.
  15% i think is still what the gov expects for wages, so in theory thats for just plain service, forcing us to either hurt the waiter or pay the fee. It's a terrible system. I prefer to not eat out at all than to cut tips, even for poor service i'll leave 10% and won't go back.
  
  Most people who work the service industry don’t claim cash tips, but credit tips are required to be claimed due to the whole being electronic and traceable thing.
  If, as a service person, most or all tips are in cash, you just claim whatever brings you to minimum wage for that pay period.
  This is obviously heavily dependent upon where you work - some places want you to claim all tips (but you still don’t claim cash usually) others, especially if you make above min wage like most bartenders, don’t care.
  However, if you don’t claim those tips you can’t use that as income when taking out loans and applying for housing and whatever else. So it’s fucks people over pretty regularly.
  
  Thats europe.
  most of europe sneers at tipping.
  
  The whole system is absolutely rubbish…

Americans, your tip coulture makes the rich richer. Having labour laws and unions in place, forcing the payment of a decent minimun wage and the extinction of tip culture would transfer the responsibility to the owner.
Edit: before you say "prices woild go up" 1- you alredy pay "up". 2- He can only go so much higher before he starts to loose clients.
- Now is really not the time to be nitpicking the lesser points of American culture. We're kind of dealing with an existential crisis at the moment.
  
  lol you are right. But maybe something small will be the last grain of sand that'll make the bag burst

Custom 0% it’s quite simple.

Fuck this place, if it’s real
- I have seen this around multiple times. I really doubt that it is real. The whole working-for-tips system is messed up, thou, but the biggest I have ever seen recommended is 25%
  
  thou
  thy cant'est mean thou

This business is so out of touch. Everybody knows "so-so" means the same thing as "okay".

This always infuriates me. If your employees need tips to get paid enough, they're just paid too little. Don't bash the customer, bash the boss! I worked in hospitality for years and tips are purely to show gratitude for better than expected service. If you think differently about this, then you're just brainwashed

20%
($19.00)
terrible

In my area a few places I regularly visit have gone to 18% tip included. When they bring you the check they say an 18% tip is already included and all you have to do is sign the check. They are not looking for anything extra. I like this. I also appreciate that the bartenders and servers at these places tell you that the tip is already included. The worst are those that automatically include a tip but never tell you and unless you read it carefully you are tipping on the food and the already included tip
- In my area a few places I regularly visit have gone to 18% tip included.
  Seems like it would be better to just raise the prices 18% across the board and kill "tips" all together...

Custom: 10% because you didn't put the default 15% / 18% and gave me extra work
- If the lowest percentage on the screen is 20% then you get nothing even if I was planning on giving 20%

Come on... Not realistic at all... Why is the Custom button not transparent? Or doesn't it allow to go lower than 30%?

Nah I'd succumb easily for "good" because I strive to be a good boy

Tips are legalized begging.
Accepting a job where your pay is partially based on tips, effectively makes you a beggar.
Offering a job where wages are partially based on tips, means you accept begging as part of your business model.
Edit:
To those who disagree, take a look at that picture again, and explain to me how that isn't begging for more?

I would ask to speak to mgmt and tell them that they’re hurting their staff.

If anything would start a workers right reform it would be the population stop with tipping. Because if people won't earn as much other than base salary, they will go under. It'll be painful for those affected at first, but it's relatively shor term and would spark a revolt. Let's make it real.

tf is soso

In defense of this, I work on a service that uses square and allows tips. One of the issues with square tips is you can only ask for percentages, not dollar amounts. Since the service I work on usually costs $1-2, we have to put in high percentages for tips in order for it to be meaningful. I believe ours is set to 25, 50, 75 and 100%. Which is usually equivalent to <$2. They could have had a similar situation here except whatever service they offer ended up being far higher than normal.
- How can it even be profitable for a business to charge $2 for enough individual service to be tip worthy
  
  Lots of thing cost $1-2 that you might want to tip for. Bartending during drink specials, valet, coat check, bag check, bell hop, etc.
- Talk about licking the boot that's stomping you.

Saw something like this at a coffee truck once, but the lady in the truck was kind enough to be gorgeous and wearing lingerie. I assume the tip at that place is some kind of incentive for a dance? Idk. But 100% tip on a $7 drink is halfway reasonable when you might see some tiddy for it.
- Nudity aside, 100% tip on a total of less than $10 is way more reasonable than 100% on a $100 total

This was posted before on mildly infuriating, Lemmy is becoming like reddit.
- It's new to me
  
  It keeps getting reposted, it was on mildly infuriating. I am pretty sure I saw it on reddit too. The text chnages every time though.
  I don't think reposting is bad though, as long as sufficient time is given, it is fine to repost. I think this might be the first time on shitpost though.
  https://lemmy.world/post/24954604
  The real one: https://nypost.com/2023/10/25/business/alaskan-restaurants-100-tip-option-appalls-vacationer/

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