Cinema fall is comming

Are we pretending this is Marvel thing exclusively and not an ALL superheros thing? Lazy slop memes, aren't going to stop lazy slop movies. Do better.

...the military doesn't come off in a good light in any of the movies that isn't the first Cap, and even then they're antagonistic by sidelining one of their best chances at winning due to bureaucratlcy.

The latest one is the worst offender ever.

They go and stand in front of a mirror? I don't get it.

I kind of feel like if a meme image needs an explanation it’s probably failed.
They reflect.
What have I been watching all this time?
- Ngl i just thought he looked bummed

Guardians of the Galaxy 3 and Deadpool & Wolverine were good. Nothing since then has looked interesting.

Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four were both really good. Actually, I thought Ironheart was really good too.
It really feels like every other movie since Endgame has been really good or really bad.
Ant-Man 3, The Marvels, and Captain America 4 were various degrees of not good.
Echo and Secret Invasion weren't good either (actually, I think overall the shows have had a better track record overall).
- I agree. I haven't seen Thunderbolts yet, but I just saw Fantastic Four last night and thought it was actually really good compared to a lot of the other recent Marvel movies. Even the ones I liked all felt like they had the same script more or less, but this one it seemed like they went for less action and easy jokes and just focused on the characters and the story. I liked it a lot.
I found Deadpool & Wolverene supremely painful. Matter of taste I suppose. Haven't seen any other dress-up movies in a while.
- Haven't seen any other dress-up movies in a while.
  Isn’t every movie a dress-up movie?
- What did you find painful about it? While I dont think it was historic level cinema, I fid find it entertaining.
- Did you like the first 2 Deadpool movies? If so, what was worse about this one?

Imo, the worst shit is the multiverse shit that makes it all meaningless. If they don't like how they told the story, they will just make up a new version and say multiverse and you are the idiot for saying that it doesn't make sense in another way because multiverse.

An repetitive story with no meaningful content for the franchise and no interest in consistency.

Multiverse is just the gg ez way to do a reboot with even less effort lol
This is how I feel about comic book stories in general. Due to the nature of the medium, they have to constantly come up with new stories with the same set of characters to keep it fresh…eventually the well runs dry.
It's an infinite Deux Ex Machina
For me it's the juvenile plot and vapid dialogue. But sure, the retconning too.
Apparently, the new vision is to use the Multiverse explanation in order to bring all of the characters into one single timeline. So, apparently, Marvel has become quite aware of your issues, as the new studio head feels the same way. They’re doing what they can to address it, FWIW
- They're doing a Battleworld, the comic event where Doom kidnaps Franklin Richards, and the molecule man, in order to temporarily erase the multiverse.
  The end of that particular comic storyline justified the end of the Ultimates universe, while allowing Miles Morales to join the main marvel universe.
  Nothing else changed. Because the first law of comics is that nothing ever changes. Not really.
  Movies on the other hand, have a problem. Actors age out of roles, so you should be changing the world with each movie... Marvel isn't doing that.

I'm trying to remember if Marvel likes the US military. Aren't they always turning out to be secretly controlled by HYDRA or something? I also seem to recall that Iron Man decided he couldn't trust them with weapons and invented his suit so that he could do all of his killing personally.

Early on up until the first Avengers they were, but that movie strained the relationship due to how much the DoD wanted to meddle in the production. They didn't like the helicarriers due to realism, for example. And you can see shit like F-35's on the flight deck, national guard doing their thing during the invasion, Captain America straight up using an M4, things like that.
After that movie, the influence the DoD had was much more subtle if it was there at all.
- After that movie, the influence the DoD had was much more subtle if it was there at all.
  Their involvement is blatant. They literally have a near century long intimate relationship with Hollywood as a well established recruitment tactic. It's hardly a secret.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93entertainment_complex
  https://www.military.com/undertheradar/2018/03/22/how-why-defense-department-works-hollywood.html

Not to mention that every single movie has the same plot. But more meta each time

First scene reveals the Villain
- No, that's Columbo.
Wait. Wait. Wait. This one has a black guy as the protagonist. How about a woman. What if they are all alians. Or hear me out. All ultra wealthy?
- What if one wore his pants inside out?

I don’t want to watch anything for three hours TBH. 95 minutes is the optimal run time for a film. FITE ME.

I make an exception for LotR extended.
- I'd rather hammer nails through my dick!
I think 2h is optimal. Not too long, but can still fit a proper story with enough time for development.
90 minutes is enough for children/family movies
- I was being a bit edgy with 95, it’s basically the minimum. Even in animation, if you have a bit of a complex structure with a plot twist, you end up well over 100.
  For example, the Incredibles, with an unorthodox five act structure, clocks in at a very briskly paced 115.
  The trouble with superhero movies is that I can just feel myself spacing out during the filler-laden action scenes. Within every 3hr long marvel film is a much better paced 125 minute film just trying to get out.
- Children/family movies can also have plenty of story and development. Case in point: Inside Out, runtime 1h 35m.
Yeah, my brain has been rotted by short form media too.
- This seems like a good time to mention that fucking Casablanca has a running time of 102 minutes. For most of the history of Hollywood 100-120 minute running times have been the norm.
  Gigantic runtimes are a feature of depression era economics, the 1930s and now.
I do personally enjoy a long film if it's doing something good with the run time. Oppenheimer was a solid one recently, even with it being so long it was still densely-packed and I don't think it would have been improved by being shortened. That said, I think two hours is roughly my default sweet spot. The further over that you go, the better you're going to have to be to persuade me. I'm ready to be persuaded but it needs to be something
Commando, the greatest movie ever made, is 90 minutes long.
100%.

It's high time we reintroduce the intermission... in the third dimension.

Brutalist having an intermission was so nice and made me realize how much I'd love more movies to have this. Sadly I don't think we'll see this being done more as that little extra time probably cuts into the amount of showings you can do in a day.
I saw Interstellar in a classy New Zealand theater that gave creatively-cooked meals during an intermission. I feel like that would be a well-appreciated change of pace for a lot of people.
- Did they just serve 5 types of corn-based foods, y'know, for immersion?

Is it Spider-Men or Spider-Mans?

Spiders-Man
Spider-Mans. Spider-Man is a proper noun so you generally don't change it and just as pluralization to the end
- But semantics have become more fluid and non-binary over the past decade.
We're trying to be inclusive here, it's spider-people.

Nerds screeching about marvel is the new /r/athiesm

They really don't like it when you don't swoon over the latest new hot trending macguffin.

Grogu is a MacGuffin, not an actual character.
Fight me.
- You're right, but I can still fight you if you want, say we meet at the park near sundown?
  I'll even let you get the first hit in, I'll be walking around, and you can just run up and punch me.

The last one I tried was Thor: love and thunder. I went out of the cinema 25 minutes in, didn’t get my money back. That movie was filled with forced jokes that made no sense.

Cry fucking harder. You people will bitch about anything.

Found the Marvel fan!

Cool post, uncool instance