Cinema fall is comming

Imo, the worst shit is the multiverse shit that makes it all meaningless. If they don't like how they told the story, they will just make up a new version and say multiverse and you are the idiot for saying that it doesn't make sense in another way because multiverse.

An repetitive story with no meaningful content for the franchise and no interest in consistency.

This is how I feel about comic book stories in general. Due to the nature of the medium, they have to constantly come up with new stories with the same set of characters to keep it fresh…eventually the well runs dry.
- Seriously! It's almost as if movies were never meant to be bottomless well of cash for wealthy investors, but rather some kind of "art" that takes time and special knowledge and genuine care from an "artist..."
  Ah, there I go again.
- That's why there were so many characters. New characters were invented. New crossovers. New story arcs.
Multiverse is just the gg ez way to do a reboot with even less effort lol
- Even less effort than what? They just released a superman movie that didn't have anything to do with previous superman movies. Isn't that the easiest way to do a reboot? How is shoehorning in a multiverse easier?
- They're doing a Battleworld, the comic event where Doom kidnaps Franklin Richards, and the molecule man, in order to temporarily erase the multiverse.
  The end of that particular comic storyline justified the end of the Ultimates universe, while allowing Miles Morales to join the main marvel universe.
  Nothing else changed. Because the first law of comics is that nothing ever changes. Not really.
  Movies on the other hand, have a problem. Actors age out of roles, so you should be changing the world with each movie... Marvel isn't doing that.
It's an infinite Deux Ex Machina
For me it's the juvenile plot and vapid dialogue. But sure, the retconning too.
Not like stories without a multiverse aspect have any more meaning. If someone has an interesting story to tell but it conflicts with some other aspect of a larger storyline (but works well with the rest), why not branch it off so it can stay internally consistent with its own story and not have to worry about what some other producers thought would be cool?
It's the people who think you're an idiot for not following every variation or understanding which ones go together who are the assholes. They are also the idiots themselves IMO for putting so much importance on knowledge of a set of fictional universes (and I say this as a geek who loves diving in to fictional universes, I just understand not all such dives are equal and my own deeper dives don't make me better than anyone).
- I don't care about other people. And it is not about what another producer thought.
  It is literally that I can hear that a character that I liked died but I honestly don't care because 1. I don't care about this shit and 2. I know the character will be back.
  Let me contrast it with star wars because I think it becomes pretty obvious there.
  The story becomes meaningless because I know that that the whole team that created the media knew that they don't have to care. Disney decided to reboot star wars and they are doing great job in ruining something great by been unable to commit to a plan too. But for my enjoyment of star wars legends, I can easily ignore the current canon. When something happened in legends, you had a reasonable expectation that it will stay meaningful for the rest of the franchise. Now with the badly executed reboot, at least for rn, I can assume that the people who died in those movies are dead and will stay dead. The next movie will not have magically a dead character inside because multiverse. Movie A has an impact if movies B to Z. And yes, Lucas Art fucked the Legends story up at times but guess what.... That is life.
  "But in the last movie [redacted] comes back to life" yes quite a disappointing writing from Disney. It reads like marvel.
  "But in the clone wars, [redacted] came back to life" yes and no, imo one of the mistakes while I like the character. But importantly the character technically was never shown dead and it was a plot twist and his "death" had actually a long term impact on the events of the story, making it meaningful for the story.
- I can't stand the multiverse write off, even "what if" (which I personally loved at first) started to suffer with the whole strange being the bbeg arc.
I was floored at just how many MCU movies in the past ten years I didn't know about. No fuckin wonder people are getting burnt out on it.

Not to mention that every single movie has the same plot. But more meta each time

Wait. Wait. Wait. This one has a black guy as the protagonist. How about a woman. What if they are all alians. Or hear me out. All ultra wealthy?
- What if one wore his pants inside out?
- That aspect would be perfectly alright if the plots were good.
First scene reveals the Villain
- No, that's Columbo.

I'm trying to remember if Marvel likes the US military. Aren't they always turning out to be secretly controlled by HYDRA or something? I also seem to recall that Iron Man decided he couldn't trust them with weapons and invented his suit so that he could do all of his killing personally.

Early on up until the first Avengers they were, but that movie strained the relationship due to how much the DoD wanted to meddle in the production. They didn't like the helicarriers due to realism, for example. And you can see shit like F-35's on the flight deck, national guard doing their thing during the invasion, Captain America straight up using an M4, things like that.
After that movie, the influence the DoD had was much more subtle if it was there at all.
- After that movie, the influence the DoD had was much more subtle if it was there at all.
  Their involvement is blatant. They literally have a near century long intimate relationship with Hollywood as a well established recruitment tactic. It's hardly a secret.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93entertainment_complex
  https://www.military.com/undertheradar/2018/03/22/how-why-defense-department-works-hollywood.html

...the military doesn't come off in a good light in any of the movies that isn't the first Cap, and even then they're antagonistic by sidelining one of their best chances at winning due to bureaucratlcy.

The latest one is the worst offender ever.
the military also requests that any movie, must paint them in a postive light, if they are using some of thier equipment or even tech. thats probably why they never are seen as bad guys.
- You don't watch many movies, do you?

I don’t want to watch anything for three hours TBH. 95 minutes is the optimal run time for a film. FITE ME.

I make an exception for LotR extended.
- I'd rather hammer nails through my dick!
I do personally enjoy a long film if it's doing something good with the run time. Oppenheimer was a solid one recently, even with it being so long it was still densely-packed and I don't think it would have been improved by being shortened. That said, I think two hours is roughly my default sweet spot. The further over that you go, the better you're going to have to be to persuade me. I'm ready to be persuaded but it needs to be something
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- This seems like a good time to mention that fucking Casablanca has a running time of 102 minutes. For most of the history of Hollywood 100-120 minute running times have been the norm.
  Gigantic runtimes are a feature of depression era economics, the 1930s and now.
I think 2h is optimal. Not too long, but can still fit a proper story with enough time for development.
90 minutes is enough for children/family movies
- Children/family movies can also have plenty of story and development. Case in point: Inside Out, runtime 1h 35m.
- I was being a bit edgy with 95, it’s basically the minimum. Even in animation, if you have a bit of a complex structure with a plot twist, you end up well over 100.
  For example, the Incredibles, with an unorthodox five act structure, clocks in at a very briskly paced 115.
  The trouble with superhero movies is that I can just feel myself spacing out during the filler-laden action scenes. Within every 3hr long marvel film is a much better paced 125 minute film just trying to get out.
100%.
Commando, the greatest movie ever made, is 90 minutes long.

They go and stand in front of a mirror? I don't get it.

I kind of feel like if a meme image needs an explanation it’s probably failed.
They reflect.
What have I been watching all this time?
- Ngl i just thought he looked bummed

It's high time we reintroduce the intermission... in the third dimension.

I saw Interstellar in a classy New Zealand theater that gave creatively-cooked meals during an intermission. I feel like that would be a well-appreciated change of pace for a lot of people.
- Did they just serve 5 types of corn-based foods, y'know, for immersion?
Brutalist having an intermission was so nice and made me realize how much I'd love more movies to have this. Sadly I don't think we'll see this being done more as that little extra time probably cuts into the amount of showings you can do in a day.

Guardians of the Galaxy 3 and Deadpool & Wolverine were good. Nothing since then has looked interesting.

I found Deadpool & Wolverene supremely painful. Matter of taste I suppose. Haven't seen any other dress-up movies in a while.
- Haven't seen any other dress-up movies in a while.
  Isn’t every movie a dress-up movie?
- What did you find painful about it? While I dont think it was historic level cinema, I fid find it entertaining.
- Did you like the first 2 Deadpool movies? If so, what was worse about this one?
- seemed alot more cringey than the last 2 deadpools, more personal stories. and they fell for the multi-versal slop.
Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four were both really good. Actually, I thought Ironheart was really good too.
It really feels like every other movie since Endgame has been really good or really bad.
Ant-Man 3, The Marvels, and Captain America 4 were various degrees of not good.
Echo and Secret Invasion weren't good either (actually, I think overall the shows have had a better track record overall).
- I agree. I haven't seen Thunderbolts yet, but I just saw Fantastic Four last night and thought it was actually really good compared to a lot of the other recent Marvel movies. Even the ones I liked all felt like they had the same script more or less, but this one it seemed like they went for less action and easy jokes and just focused on the characters and the story. I liked it a lot.
- Fantastic Four is good? I'll have to see it at some point, then. Those poor characters have never managed to be in a good movie before now, so I kinda forgot there was a new MCU one.
- With Ironheart, the show is okay, but there's just no way to make the main character work. Unless they transition the character to be a villain.
- Thunderbolts was a great made-for-tv movie.

They really don't like it when you don't swoon over the latest new hot trending macguffin.

Grogu is a MacGuffin, not an actual character.
Fight me.
- You're right, but I can still fight you if you want, say we meet at the park near sundown?
  I'll even let you get the first hit in, I'll be walking around, and you can just run up and punch me.

Nerds screeching about marvel is the new /r/athiesm

Are we pretending this is Marvel thing exclusively and not an ALL superheros thing? Lazy slop memes, aren't going to stop lazy slop movies. Do better.

The Boys break away from that.
And that "do better" bs is pretty fucking condescending for someone implying that memes on lemmy might affect the shit hollywood spews out, if only they were less lazy and sloppy.

I’m not the biggest comic book reader, but I did prefer DC over Marvel because the stories ended every now and then. There are some very memorable self-contained stories. And then they mulligan and reboot Batman or whatever, but at least there were occasional conclusions and it wasn’t just an ongoing soap forever and ever and ever. Marvel had prompts within the story to refer to issue #blablabla of maybe the same series or some adjacent series. No.

Guardians of the Galaxy 3 had assumed knowledge from the fucking Christmas Special
- It did? Couldn’t stand the Christmas Special, but it didn’t seem to have any bearing on anything.
- Family Guy has assumed knowledge from everything ever made (not that I am a fan of that either, but at least it doesn’t expect a 3 hour to 80 year commitment to get the full story).

Is it Spider-Men or Spider-Mans?

We're trying to be inclusive here, it's spider-people.
Spider-Mans. Spider-Man is a proper noun so you generally don't change it and just as pluralization to the end
- But semantics have become more fluid and non-binary over the past decade.

is it? top gun maverick would be the most recent us militaryganda out there, it resulted increase in RECRUIT/enlisting numbers last year.

The last one I tried was Thor: love and thunder. I went out of the cinema 25 minutes in, didn’t get my money back. That movie was filled with forced jokes that made no sense.

That was like the worst one lmao

I quit after the snap movie. It was literally an hour and a half of all 30 main characters meeting each other and then everyone died.

It’s not like DC is better, the last dark knight movie was really good, but don’t get me started on “we can’t fight each other, our moms had the same names”. What a waste of time.

endgame was the "best" marvel movie, everything else after was just bad, and disney is clearly grasping at straw since then. the ones with agatha were enjoyable, shes seems better at acting than scarlet witch.