I created the weirdest political compass

Assembly being obsolete has to be the funniest joke in here. It fundamentally never will be even if its use is niche

...and C++ being obsolete is the second funniest.
- It is clearly surpassed by C though this chart seems to have missed that fact.

How are you defining "Obsolete" vs "Nu"?

e.g. Brainfuck from 1993 is all the way to Nu, while D (2001) and Rust (2012) are less "Nu"?

Also, what the hell is "nu" supposed to mean?
- Nude 😳
- OP probably lived through the mid-1990s rise of “nu-metal” bands like Linkin Park
- Funny that nushell is not on here.
- Where is Nu lang?
- Maybe short for "Nouveau".
  The "ouvea" being removed:P

AKA: How to annoy a bunch of computer nerds very quickly....

Make one for Linux distros next!!!

By being wildly wrong you mean?
- You say "wildly wrong", they say "incentivizing engagement".

Yeah, the axes on this are weird, why would the opposite of a systems language be a toy language? And why is Lua, a very popular and commonly used language in tons of stuff, a "toy"? And Lua is a nu Lang? It's older than Java, maybe it just feels newer because each release isn't necessarily backwards compatible?

Also Python as a toy lang and somehow more "nu" than Java despite Java being younger?
- I think the order of Java and Python makes perfect sense. The OOP C++ -> Java pipeline was massive in the early 2000s when python wasn't really on the radar. The world has been slowly moving away from that, and Python is one of the most popular languages right now.
OP is a “C guy”

It wouldn’t be a good compass if nobody had strong issues with it:

System vs Toy is not opposed to each other. Should have been system vs abstract or useful vs toy or whatever
Where LISP? Best language missing makes graph bad

Edit: before people tell me there’s already ‘obsolete’ on the graph, no, there’s loads of obsolete languages that are still useful, and many more new languages that are either built for fun or not used for sad or good reasons.

Edit2: I’m also halfway sure that brainfuck is older than rust (but don’t wanna look it up). But if that’s true your axis mean several things at once anyway and you should feel bad (not really though).

I literally opened it looking for Lisp and dismissed the whole thing when I realized its not there
- Haskell's also not there. I was ready to criticize any quadrant it was put in heh. But that's probably mostly because the axes are kinda bad.

If everything written in those "obsolete" languages suddenly disappeared, the whole world would go dark.

The huge gap between "obsolete" versus "legacy"
That doesn't stop them from being obsolete, it just means that people who have the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality can get fucked.

SQL isn't a toy language, it's a domain specific language.

Yeah, but 3D political compasses just don't have the same hold on people.

How is C or assembly obsolete when they are literally everywhere is beyond me

C is more obsolete than Rust. Coding directly in assembly is rare. Beyond that it's more subjective.
- The C which is an integral part of every linux kernel on every computer and server running linux as the OS and all the embedded systems everywhere and almost all the performance critical parts of python libraries?
  I won't have much to say about assembly since don't use it but far as I know low level parts of OS such as bootloader likely still uses assembly not to also mention embedded systems.
  As long as both of these exist in embedded systems, it is just statistically weird to call it obsolete even in regards to other languages.
  For instance data scientists majorly use python, but python critically depends on C and devices they use critically depend on C and assembly. Can you then really say what they do does not depend on C and assembly and python is more widely used?
- Coding directly in assembly is rare.
  I used to think that, but when you're dealing with a lot of low-level stuff you'll eventually realize that Compilers are pretty bad at generating fast and reliable Assembly where it's needed. Also, some Architectures have specific machine instructions that Compilers just don't take advantage of, no matter what flags you enable.

And I bet this is based in opinion and not any sort of scientific understanding because you put assembly as an obsolete language…

I read that as "directly, without a compiler", in which case it's close to fair, although I would have still put it ahead of COBOL because sometimes it's necessary.
- Should it not say "machine code" then? It would still be bizarre to call it obsolete, given that it's literally the foundation of all the other languages in the chart. It's like saying letters are obsolete because we have words now.
"Obsolete Lang" is more of a looks category, and back then most programming languages were not much dissimilar from it. Basically Assembly had to stay unstructured due to how CPUs work, while the industry moved on.

Curious how you decided what goes where, I'd hardly consider SQL a "Toy Lang" as opposed to a "System Lang"

That it's an interpreted language rather than a compiled one. Bytecode and interpreted langs get the Toy Lang treatment. At least SQL has floating points.
- So, it's an almost useless dimension with misleading names? Yeah, it's a good "political compass".
- That's... a really dumb definition. And why is C# right in the middle but Java's towards obsolete and toy lang? They both compile to byte code and are overall extremely similar.
- Javascript is compiled, just in time.
- What's the difference between interpreted and compiled?
- Nearly my entire company's infrastructure is written in Python and Go so I take offense (even if I would prefer to write anything else other than Python, mostly because I like proper typing )

Did you just note Typescript, a superset of JavaScript that needs to be compiled into it, as closer to the system?

Also does it technically constitute a language? That feels like a stretch too.

Did the same with D's superset, betterC.
- betterC is a subset... 🤦
"System" as in a distributed system I guess...?
And the chart even puts C more towards "obsolete"!
LOL, obviously this chart was made for fun!

The only way Assembly will be obsolete is if there were no new chips processor models being created.

Every time a new architecture or a new instruction group is announced, it has to be bootstrapped into the C compiler.

How is cobol toy wasn't it made for military?

COBOL is about as far from a "toy" as I can imagine. Almost everything corpo runs on it at some level.

And almost no one writes it for fun.

Where's Latin and Summerian? 🤔

Are those programming languages?
- They could have been. 😌
- Just imagine any of these programming languages with keywords in Latin. One morning you're debugging a double ended queue and the next thing you know, a bit flip is being caused by a 300 year old spirit.
- I'm not sure "computer" was even a profession back at that time.

ngl I'm pretty mad right now

Where Perl?

Outside the chart. Somewhere far above the image

Why is it missing Haskell?

And Perl
- and Scala

How is Lua further down along the Nu Lang axis than Go, Rust and Nim?

Yeah, that one caught my eye too. Brainfuck is also pretty old IIRC, and it's hiding down there in the bottom right.

SQL? Toy?

This is a very bad chart:

I don't understand what Toy Lang, Nu Lang or even System Lang mean
How are C and Assembly obsolete?
How is C++ more obsolete than D or Go?
PHP still powers a large portion of the internet, certainly not a "Toy Lang"
Why is ECMAScript here and not JavaScript?

Downvoting.

This chart is easier to understand if you make the following substitutions:
Toy Lang --> high level language (except brainfuck really is a low level toy language)
System Lang --> low level language
Obsolete Lang --> old programming language, regardless of obsolescence status
Nu Lang --> newer programming language
After understanding this construction, I fail to find any humor in this.
Why is ECMAScript here and not JavaScript?
Among other things, "JavaScript" is a trademark of Oracle.
- I fail to find any humour in this. I think the humour are the labels (Toy, System, Nu, Obsolete), which are however incorrect and misleading.
  Among other things, "JavaScript" is a trademark of Oracle.
  Does this prevent it from being used in memes?

i like how you've managed to include just a single non-procedural language, and it's the most interesting one by far, and you're calling it obsolete. says a lot.

Prolog, right? I really love it

Yes, SQL is but a toy language. It probably will never make it into production.

Was it a deliberate choice to leave JavaScript off entirely?

ECMAScript is included, which is the official JavaScript standard
- I actually did miss that one. TIL.
  Interesting that it's just as nu as TypeScript, despite TypeScript definitely coming after.
It's right above PHP.
- Hahaha gottem XD
- That's just Java
  On the off chance that you don't already know, that's a totally different thing named after the same drink.

As a Ruby fan I’m just happy to be included for a change

As a Ruby fan having a blast with Elixir, where the hell is anything BEAM related?
The compass is truly political.

a lot of suspicuously missing lisps

A systems language, one of the oldest but still in use and modeled after, used to build expensive research toys, which compiles itself via its interpreter…. is in some 4d space this plane doesn't slice through.
FORTH also out in space somewhere

Is Java more obsolete than c#?

Fortran is NOT obsolete you take that shit back

The hardest hitting rage bait I've seen all year

System vs Toy?

It's missing another axis, where else is Scott Lang gonna fit?

Odin mentioned!

Typescript, a language. Hah.

My man put EMCAScript like Oracle was gonna C&D 😅

No colours? But how am I going to look down on the other three quadrants?

But for real, how did you make it? Hold up, did you screenshot draw.io? You absolute madlad!

You can export from draw.io with dark mode and grid enabled as well. Seeing as the space even on all sides...

scala?

It's somehow both a nu lang and an obsolete lang.

The aim is to learn one fromeach quadrant!

@ZILtoid1991 well, according to this, I'll learn Go.

I started using Go a few months ago, I'm loving it so far. Simple, gets the job done, stays out of your way.
- Except for the thousands of lines of boilerplate 🤷‍♂️
What do you looking for in a programming language? Maybe I can suggest something better.
- I’m sure everyone can suggest something better regardless of what they’re looking for in a programming language.

What is Fortran's actual address on this visualization?

Asking for a friend.

Sadly, as always, Lisp is put in parenthesis and doesn't show here

how is python to the right and mojo at the bottom.

Fortran is obsolete? I just constrained myself about to write something about your mum

Among this chart's many other issues raised elsewhere, Ada is in totally the wrong place. Probably more system than Rust right now, and definitely not obsolete.

I like it